Interesting official info from MMO

[TrevorS]

To me, it doesn't seem to make sense to add MMO to gas when it is 70%+ oil. Do we want that going through our emissions system?

Just spend a little more and buy Techron which is proven through scientific studies and manufacturer approved. It works and is considered safe by those who design your car.

(And they don't tell you to add it to your oil as well)

 

[friendly_jacek]

I used MMO on a few occasions to deal with coked oil rings and/or carboned pistons. It works, but slowly. I would never put it in fuel as it contains phosphorus, clearly toxic to car converters. Its as bad as having an oil burner.

 

[friendly_jacek]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint

1/2% 1, 2 ortho-Dichlorobenzene
- EP agent as it interacts with Iron to form an Iron chloride barrier under any ZDDP or other AW additives. Also very good cleaner/solvent, and friction reducer

1/4% 1, 4 para-Dichlorobenzene
- EP agent as it interacts with Iron to form an Iron chloride barrier under any ZDDP or other AW additives. Also very good cleaner/solvent, and friction reducer


Quote:
In terms of niche applications, 1,2-dichlorobenzene is a versatile, high-boiling solvent. It is a preferred solvent for dissolving and working with fullerenes. It is an insecticide for termites and locust borers, historically used by the United States Forest Service to combat widespread bark beetle outbreaks.[3]
1,2-Dichlorobenzene is also used in softening and removing carbon-based contamination on metal surfaces.


Quote:
P-Dichlorobenzene is sometimes used as a deodorant for garbage and restrooms, as well as an insecticide for control of fruit borers and ants. May be applied to tobacco seed beds for blue mold control; For the control of peach tree borer; And mildew and mold on leather and fabrics. PARA-dichlorobenzene may have had minor use as an extreme-pressure lubricant. Applications include use as an intermediate in organic synthesis and as on animal repellant. Use in pig stalls as an odor control agent.


BTW, P-Dichlorobenzene is solid and thus not a solvent. The wintergreen oil is probably to cover the bad smell of P-Dichlorobenzene.

Coming back to the OP, these are chlorinated benzens and not chlorinated paraffins. Not sure why the comments on chlorinated paraffins.

 

[ChrisD46]

demarpaint : What is "AW" and "EP" agent ?

 

[strat81]

Originally Posted By: TrevorS
What does it mean that you did a little toggling this morning?


My guess is that he meant to write "Googling" and his auto-correct changed it.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek


BTW, P-Dichlorobenzene is solid and thus not a solvent. The wintergreen oil is probably to cover the bad smell of P-Dichlorobenzene.

Coming back to the OP, these are chlorinated benzens and not chlorinated paraffins. Not sure why the comments on chlorinated paraffins.


P-Dichlorobenzene-Doesn't it aid in solvency when added to the mix?

Wintergreen oil has a nice sent and is also a cleaner.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: strat81
Originally Posted By: TrevorS
What does it mean that you did a little toggling this morning?


My guess is that he meant to write "Googling" and his auto-correct changed it.


Sorry about that, it means that I have certain people on an ignore list and on occasion I "toggle" to see what they said.

When you have a user/users on Ignore you'll see this when they post:

*** You are ignoring this user ***
Toggle the display of this post

I'm sure there are people here who do the same thing on occasion to see what I said. If you have anyone on "Ignore user" you'll see what I mean.

Originally Posted By: ChrisD46
demarpaint : What is "AW" and "EP" agent ?


AW=Anti-wear
EP= Extreme Pressure

For the record I didn't create that list of components I borrowed it several years ago. It might have come from the MMO board.

 

[Mystic]

I have some of the same people on 'Ignore' demarpaint. One such individual I have on 'Ignore' has attacked me in the past because I am a older member here at bobistheoilguy.com and also has attacked me merely because of what News I listen to. When all somebody has to offer to posts are attacks on others and smart aleck comments I put them on 'Ignore.'

I find it interesting when somebody starts a post on something that they claim they have no interest in. If I am not interested in a certain product I am not going to start a post on it.

The one thing I know about products like MMO and Kreen is that the majority of guys who said they have tried those products report positive results. Only a few guys that I know of have reported problems with or negative results with MMO and Kreen. And Trav who is a professional mechanic in Germany and a member here I respect quite a great deal reports very positive results with Kreen. I also respect you demarpaint quite a great deal and you have about 40 years experience with MMO. I think experience counts for something.

One of the few guys who reported negative results on MMO talked about an aircraft engine failing where MMO was used. But much more MMO was used than was supposed to be used. It is necessary to follow directions.

I don't believe in over 90% of oil supplements and engine cleaners. But there are a few that I believe in. I have had good results with some Lubegard products and I watched my Dad use MMO in one or two car engines. I have used MMO myself in my lawnmower.

Nobody has to use any oil supplements or engine cleaners. Like I said I don't believe in most oil supplements and engine cleaners. But I am not going to say in one post just use quality motor oil and in another post promote some oil supplement. I will always say what I actually believe. And what I actually believe is that there are a few products that I think have some value.

 

[d00df00d]

Originally Posted By: TrevorS
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Originally Posted By: TrevorS
The original formula is still used today and has not been changed since it was first sold in metal cans.

...Is this supposed to be a good thing?


Just to clarify, that was said by MMO not by me!

I know. No worries. That sentence just stuck out to me.

 

[TrevorS]

Me too as did some others.

Some of those AW / EP additives are considered significantly out of date and not used in modern motor oil.

So once upon a time perhaps they may have added something to oil, but if the formulation hasn't changed, then I can't imagine they add anything.

I like the idea of using an oil with esters for engine cleaning. I understand Redline and G Oil have esters and G Oil apparently has much more.

And as mentioned by many people, Techron seems superior in every way for fuel system cleaning.

So I'd say MMO is obsolete especially seeing the formula has not changed since it was invented.

 

[TrevorS]

And another thing, I've heard that habitual users of MMO have compromised oil pans. Perhaps the acid formation fear has been realized in this location?

Or perhaps MMO is literally penetrating the metal as they claim to do?

 

[friendly_jacek]

Originally Posted By: Mystic

I find it interesting when somebody starts a post on something that they claim they have no interest in. If I am not interested in a certain product I am not going to start a post on it.


Good point. That is trolling by definition of it.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
Originally Posted By: Mystic

I find it interesting when somebody starts a post on something that they claim they have no interest in. If I am not interested in a certain product I am not going to start a post on it.


Good point. That is trolling by definition of it.


True.

 

[TrevorS]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
Originally Posted By: Mystic

I find it interesting when somebody starts a post on something that they claim they have no interest in. If I am not interested in a certain product I am not going to start a post on it.


Good point. That is trolling by definition of it.


True.


@Mystic, I don't recall ever saying I am not interested in MMO, but in any case who are you to decide whether or not I can post about it? You are free to censor yourself but you cannot censor me. This is America.

More than that, it is strange that I simply copy and paste what MMO themselves say and am told that I am not allowed to post. What exactly have I said that justifies preventing me from posting or what justifies calling me a troll? What is the reasoning for attacking me? It is very curious to think why would I get attacked for repeating information that MMO themselves put out.

If I am on your ignore list, then do what you say and ignore me. Apparently both Mystick and dermapaint have me on ignore but somehow manage to read what I said and attack me.

I should be free to post on any topic without being called names so long as I follow the rules of the forum. I have not broken any board rules but friendly and dermapaint have by calling me a troll.

I am owed an apology by the three of you.

 

[ChrisD46]

To use MMO in an unknown engine a time or two before switching over to a modern synthetic should be OK ... Ditto for using MMO the last 3,000 miles of an OCI every other oil change .

 

[morris]

for sure all of the posting guys are smarter than i. but when i see acid it reminds me that most acids of not all a water based. so i would think running an engine as hot as you can and as long as you can will help. but dont for get when you burn gasoline with air you make LOTS of water. i am NOT trying to to put any one down.

 

[Trajan]

Originally Posted By: TrevorS
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
Originally Posted By: Mystic

I find it interesting when somebody starts a post on something that they claim they have no interest in. If I am not interested in a certain product I am not going to start a post on it.


Good point. That is trolling by definition of it.


True.


@Mystic, I don't recall ever saying I am not interested in MMO, but in any case who are you to decide whether or not I can post about it? You are free to censor yourself but you cannot censor me. This is America.

More than that, it is strange that I simply copy and paste what MMO themselves say and am told that I am not allowed to post. What exactly have I said that justifies preventing me from posting or what justifies calling me a troll? What is the reasoning for attacking me? It is very curious to think why would I get attacked for repeating information that MMO themselves put out.

If I am on your ignore list, then do what you say and ignore me. Apparently both Mystick and dermapaint have me on ignore but somehow manage to read what I said and attack me.

I should be free to post on any topic without being called names so long as I follow the rules of the forum. I have not broken any board rules but friendly and dermapaint have by calling me a troll.

I am owed an apology by the three of you.


You questioned the faith you heathen

Oh wait, you actually didn't.

Nor did I see anything that says you have no interest in it, The fact you started a thread shows you do.

 

[TrevorS]

Trajan, I expect you are on their ignore list too so we shouldn't get a response - unless they toggle each other again.

 

[Trajan]

Originally Posted By: TrevorS
Trajan, I expect you are on their ignore list too so we shouldn't get a response - unless they toggle each other again.


Better than an off the meds nonsensical tirade.

The GT500 will *never* see 1923 era additives in 2013 oil formulation.

 

[turtlevette]

Originally Posted By: TrevorS
And another thing, I've heard that habitual users of MMO have compromised oil pans. Perhaps the acid formation fear has been realized in this location?

Or perhaps MMO is literally penetrating the metal as they claim to do?


I believe it's intuitive to any mechanically inclined person that a pan full of oil will not rust thru. Do you have a hard time seeing that?