interesting arx claim

[c3po]

Originally Posted By: Vspec
c3po, with due respect you didn't follow the instructions at all if you ran auto-rx for a 24k\10k oil change interval.

Thats what I read out of it anyways.


A little clarification, I did 3 clean and rinses followed by a few maintenance doses on my one car from 343,000 miles up until 367,000 miles.

On my other car I started a maintenance dose of arx at 20,000 miles and ended up doing a Clean and Rinse with arx at 25,000 miles.

 

[westwind999]

Seems like your trials were at the extremes. A motor with 350,000 is easily on borrowed time with wear and damage that may not be repaired by cleaning. A motor with only 25,000 miles probably shouldn't have any problems so cleaning it probably won't provide noticeable results.

My experience with Auto-rx on motors with around 100,000 miles has provided positive results.

 

[Vspec]

Originally Posted By: c3po
Originally Posted By: Vspec
c3po, with due respect you didn't follow the instructions at all if you ran auto-rx for a 24k\10k oil change interval.

Thats what I read out of it anyways.


A little clarification, I did 3 clean and rinses followed by a few maintenance doses on my one car from 343,000 miles up until 367,000 miles.

Ah that makes more sense now, I thought you ran them for the duration you indicated.

Its ashame you didnt notice more positive results. =[
On my other car I started a maintenance dose of arx at 20,000 miles and ended up doing a Clean and Rinse with arx at 25,000 miles.

 

[Gary Allan]

Originally Posted By: westwind999
Seems like your trials were at the extremes. A motor with 350,000 is easily on borrowed time with wear and damage that may not be repaired by cleaning. A motor with only 25,000 miles probably shouldn't have any problems so cleaning it probably won't provide noticeable results.

My experience with Auto-rx on motors with around 100,000 miles has provided positive results.


Yeah, depending on age, 65-80k wouldn't be too early for longer term accumulations. That's my basic take. By then, even the average BITOG'r should have enough ring deposits to justify resetting the counter to near zero.

You'll tend to find that those who have really clean engines has comprehensive or over done maintenance over their life spans. There's also the factor that oils have come millions of miles forward in deposit control in just the past decade, so for some the cosmetics/visuals aren't really going to be all that substantial outside of neglect/abuse or some design flaw.

 

[c3po]

Originally Posted By: westwind999
A motor with 350,000 is easily on borrowed time with wear and damage that may not be repaired by cleaning


That all depends on how it has been taken care of during those 350,000 miles.

I now have 379,000 miles on the engine and its running great.

 

[chevrofreak]

Originally Posted By: badtlc
Originally Posted By: c3po
Originally Posted By: badtlc
AutoRX says it works by suspending contaminants and carrying them to the oil filter for removal


In theory that is what arx says, but in reality what is really happening is that arx breaks stuff off into small chunks that can clog lifters, we have too many testimonials here from arx users who said they were experiencing noises, these noises were worse when the weather was cold because arx also thickens up when the temperature gets below 50 degrees.

Even when arx mixes with motor oil this does not change its characteristics too thicken up below 50 degrees.


lol, I see you have finally resorted to just making stuff up. I'm glad you care so much.


He's really got an agenda.

 

[Trav]

Originally Posted By: ccapital83
this comes straight from auto rx site,
The ester combination provides polarity to the host oil, giving the lubricant an attraction to metal surfaces, reclaiming these surfaces from the contamination. Lubricating oils perform well in clean working conditions. Lubricating oils can either lubricate or clean. They cannot do both well. Detergents in motor oils are added to try and maintain a clean system. They do little to nothing on deposits that have already formed.



i have a hard time believing the add packs in popular oils like pp rp pu m1 dont clean sludge what do youall think?


Again a simple question. Do you believe Pennzoil would claim this without proof to back it up 100%?
The next question I have is about those who distribute ARX and take every opportunity to defend it get away with promoting the product from a company no longer a site supporter. If you distribute the stuff you’re making money on it.
Although the supporter denies this he has freely admitted it at another oil forum.
The shills for ARX have a history of attacking anyone who questions this product.
Fact is many were paid in the form of free product to monitor and attack forum postings.
Well fine I freely admit I have an agenda against ARX.

I bought and paid 2-300 dollars over time for this stuff and it didn’t do anything in any vehicle I tried it on. Nothing absolutely nothing, I was given every conceivable excuse under the sun as to why it didn’t do anything in any and every vehicle I tried it on.
[if you have a problem with the owner of auto-rx, take it up with him directly. Do not use BITOG as your platform]

Right from Pennzoils Q&A right here at BITOG

The sludge issue was common to all oils in the market back then so the industry responded to this issue by developing a sludge protection requirement for all oils to meet. This new sludge test is known as the Sequence V sludge test; today it is the Sequence VG sludge test (the test name is indexed with a letter A, B, C…G you get the picture). So what does that mean today? Glad you asked! The Pennzoil® motor oils that you can buy today not only meet the Sequence VG sludge requirements, but our oils are superior to the minimums and unsurpassed in performance! Now add to that our oils amazing ability to be able to safely remove up to 40% of existing sludge in the first oil change and you have a level of sludge protection unmatched in the industry.

 

[expat]

"In plain English this stuff is Snake Oil and is sold by an individual who will bald face lie to sell his home brew, this individual IMHO should be taken to court for fraud."

ARX did nothing for my engine, and I have absolutely no love for Frank Miller (to put it mildly)
But I think this statement is a little strong

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[Trav]

Possibly.But honestly when you give out good money in good faith and the owner of the product tells you..
You didn't use it right,varnish is just a stain when the engine is suffering from a sticky lifter etc,etc,etc it gets frustrating.

Then some planted forum members accuse dissatisfied users of being to dumb to follow directions,not giving it a chance and in one case i remember they even told one poor guy that Frank Miller had no record that he purchased any ARX and was basically lying.Some poor buggers were so intimidated they were saying things like "it may be working in places i cant see" just to avoid being chastised and degraded by the ARX gang that haunted the additive threads at the time.

Truly these tactics make me sick.As i said its just my opinion and like they say everybody has one.

 

[sprintman]

Funny you don't mention the people who didn't purchase yet had 'stories' And anybody who had purchased and wanted their money back received it. I haven't worked out your agenda yet but I'll get there.

 

[TooManyWheels]

Originally Posted By: c3po
Originally Posted By: badtlc
AutoRX says it works by suspending contaminants and carrying them to the oil filter for removal


In theory that is what arx says, but in reality what is really happening is that arx breaks stuff off into small chunks that can clog lifters, ..


Calling a particle that can clog a lifter a "chunk" is an extremely prejudicial use of the word chunk, even if you could assume that that behavior were true. To put that into perspective, how about some "chunk" pictures? I would think you would be the first in line to provide some.

To put it more into perspective, people have been having stuck lifters from naturally occurring causes long before ARX. Must be because of the non-ARX "chunks" in the oil.

 

[expat]

"Funny you don't mention the people who didn't purchase yet had 'stories' And anybody who had purchased and wanted their money back received it."

Sprintman, you are proberbly well aware of the cost of shipping ARX outside the U.S. I would imagine that some people (like myself) bought ARX as a partner in a group purchase (ie. buy a case and split it, and share the savings)
Of course, doing so I knowingly nullified the money back guarantee, but that would not have included shipping etc. anyway.

Remember that with treatment and flushes it can often take the average Joe about a year to complete the treatment, much longer if Frank suggests a second treatment.
By that time, I think many would just not bother 'fighting' for a refund.

"And anybody who had purchased and wanted their money back received it."

Can you prove that?

 

[sprintman]

Yes. Find me somebody with proof of purchase who didn't get their money back including yourself?

 

[expat]

 

[Bruce T]

Let's review:

A multi-national company like Pennzoil would never exaggerate in their ads to make bigger profits. No, they must have proof.

Auto-Rx has mountains of documented proof, including the experience of myself plus thousands, but they must be snake oil.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: Bruce T
Let's review:

A multi-national company like Pennzoil would never exaggerate in their ads to make bigger profits. No, they must have proof.

Auto-Rx has mountains of documented proof, including the experience of myself plus thousands, but they must be snake oil.


I don't see your logic. I'd say both companies exaggerate, size of a company means nothing. In fact I would think the smaller company would exaggerate more, after all they need all the help they can get to survive against the big multi-level companies. JMO I'd also think Pennzoil has much more documented proof than A-Rx.

BTW A-Rx fans this is not an attack it is a general statement based on my opinion.

 

[Bruce T]

Sorry for the confusion, demarpaint. The Pennzoil comment was sarcastic, saying that I've seen little evidence of how well PP and PU clean. I suspect they are probably good at keeping a new engine clean, but not at cleaning up old deposits. This is not a criticism of Pennzoil, which is a top notch company, but rather pointing out the blind faith of some Pennzoil fans.

 

[demarpaint]

No problem. All compaines stretch the truth, its all in the marketing game.

 

[Trav]

Originally Posted By: Bruce T
Sorry for the confusion, demarpaint. The Pennzoil comment was sarcastic, saying that I've seen little evidence of how well PP and PU clean. I suspect they are probably good at keeping a new engine clean, but not at cleaning up old deposits. This is not a criticism of Pennzoil, which is a top notch company, but rather pointing out the blind faith of some Pennzoil fans.



ARX and mountains of evidence? Blind faith of Pennzoil fans? I see a few testimonials and a few pics ,far from the “mountains of evidence” you claim.
IMO you are the one running on “blind faith”.
Pennzoil already stated on this board that it does clean old sludge. If they post that here at BITOG knowing full well that people like you would attempt to disclaim it you can bet they can back it up with some pretty clear factual data.

 

[bmwtechguy]

If Auto-Rx does not work for someone, I would not bash them in any way, nor would I bash the product or its inventor. It is unrealistic to expect a miracle fix-all from an oil additive. Instead I would use the money back guarantee.

I have used ARX extensively in my own vehicles and for customers, and can honestly say that it has always raised power from better compression. In some cases it has completely eliminated or reduced noises such as lifter ticks. By raising or evening out compression, the engines feel smoother as well. At the same time, I don't try to sell Auto-Rx for treatment in an engine with only 20k miles on it. I don't make a lot of money selling this product. My customers and I have been very pleased with the results after proper treatment with Auto-Rx. I also like the extra protection of lubricated parts while it cleans.

The reason I bothered to write this here is because some members have resorted to name calling and negative attacks against a product that I KNOW has worked very well in my experience and that of many others here. In addition, I think very strong attacks against its inventor/company owner should have no place here. Instead, concerns should be taken up with Frank himself. He is accessible by phone or email. Telling your experience is fine, but calling someone a bold-faced liar or snake-oil salesman should not be tolerated here.

And finally, I want to make it clear to some of you who may be thinking along these lines: Frank did not call or email me and prompt me to comment here. I do not get paid in any way to comment here or on his forum.