Instant Oil Change place blundered?

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Since finding BITOG, I changed the oil in my vehicle today for the first time. Previously had been buying the services of a local quick change place.

To my horror I found my drain plug cross threaded! Expecting to simply break it free and finger it out the rest of the way, I was a little shocked. Is it that hard to properly thread a drain plug? If that task is beyond these guys, how can I trust them with the entire oil change?

From now on, forever and always, I will change my oil. Thank you BITOG forums.
 
unfortunately a lot of quickie lube techs lack proper training. they will just start the plug and if it doesnt go in by finger they will crank it in with a wrench. i dont know if this is still being done but it used to be the big problem was air rachets. the techs would put the plug in one turn and then buzz it in with the rachet. i know jiffy lubes stopped the use of air rachets because of the number of claims they were having. i dont know when they stopped it but in the 4 years i worked at a jiffy lube they didnt use them.

i worked with one guy that wasnt properly trained. and he would put the drain plugs back in and tighten them up like normal. then would muscle it another 1/2 to 3/4 of a turn, thus damaging the threads severely. in one year he cost the company over $7500 in damages.
 
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Since finding BITOG, I changed the oil in my vehicle today for the first time.

Congrads!
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You'll be more in "tune" with your outfit and KNOW that it's done right and to YOUR standards.

I've never gone to a Iffy lube but have had friends, Family and co-workers just have problems over and over with quick lube places.

I just say no....

Take care, Bill
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I swear the neanderthals working in those jiffy lube places do it on purpose!

some might, but i remember one time i saw that guy changing his own oil and he severly overtightened the plug, i cringed.
 
at the corporate store i worked at (owned by sopus) techs were started at about $7/hr. if you were there long enough or complained long enough you might get up to about $10/hr. i was at the supervisor level and i was only making $9/hr, and was a little upset when i learned that someone that was below me was making a dollar more per hour than me.

the franchise store i worked at started people out at about $6.5/hr. when i left there i was making as much as a tech could make at that store, about $8.5/hr. the supervisor only got a little more than that per hour, dont know exacts but was always curious.

there werent many major screw ups, mainly little stuff like damaged threads. every now and again a filter would be put on that was missing a gasket. it used to be that on occasion the wrong oil filter was put on a vehicle. but now they have new procedures that if followed should eliminate that.

one time a ph3600 was put on a 4.3l blazer instead of a ph3980. when this is done the filter will seal fine for a few miles, maybe a hundred or so, or it will go the entire oil change without a problem but they can "spontaniously combust" for lack of a better term. all of a sudden it will just come off. and then of course most people wouldnt realize it and it kills the motor. that is what happened in this case and of course we had to buy a motor.

but then some claims are bogus. one time someone said that we did not put the rear diff fill plug back in and the diff blew up. but it was well know through out the shop that the guy who did the stuff under the car did not check anything under the car, just tended to the oil plug and filter. but we couldnt say that so we might have ended up buying a diff for, coincidentally, another blazer.

one time we did the oil change on one of the ecotec motors, might have been in a saturn. somehow that plastic cap got cracked and sprayed oil everywhere under the hood. had to get a new cap.

a lot of times the issue was the oil cap was left off, thus coating the underhood area on many cars.

i think we had more customer service complaints than mechanical issues.

a few places use stuff called tamper seal. it is a yellow or blue paint that they put on any plug that they touch so that they can tell if the plug was tampered with in the event of a claim. i always tried to use it but a lot of times the manager wouldnt buy the stuff or people would abuse it and the stuff would run out before the next order came in.
 
If it were my vehicle I would do the following:

Chase the threads on the oil pan with a tap, taking care not to get any chips inside as much as possible.

Install a Fram Sure Drain. The threads on the pan have been compromised and subsequent oil changes may further weaken them and it might strip out completely. Installing a sure drain means you can leave the threads alone and you'll always have a good seal.

If you don't want to install a sure drain I would at least replace the pan plug. The threads on your current plug might be bunged up.

Yea, you'll lose the oil you just installed but it's worth the peace of mind.

Consider yourself lucky. I've seen black trails on the street coming from those iffy lube places.
 
I bought a brand new Cavalier in 1993 and the car came with 2 free oil changes at the dealer. On the third oil change I found the drain plug stripped out. I got a new one from the dealer and it threaded in w/o needing to chase the threads in the oil pan.
 
if the plug in the cavalier was the m12 x 1.75 plug, that seemed to be a common situation with those plugs. the plugs would be minorly damaged and they wouldnt like to thread but then get a new one and it would go in like a hot knife through butter.
 
This is a rare time where I have to stick up for the lube guys. I have crossthreaded my share of drain plugs over the last twenty five years. I don't know what it is about oil drain plugs. I have had plugs go in fine and the next oil change it would sieze up/crossthread itself on the way out. It is just one of those things I expect and I have the proper taps and extra drainplugs for the vehicles I own. Seems like cars with stamped steel pans were the worst about that. Later cars with aluminum pans and threaded inserts seemed to be fairly immune to the problem.

Racer12306, I got at least 3 rear end jobs a year due to our local Jiffy Lube. Seemed they always had at least one guy who wouldn't tighten the fill plug in the diff after checking it. No complaints though, I would rather get dirty for Chilton time rather than warranty time any day.
 
I have didn,t have any damage done from them,but my wife took her sunfire in for a oil change(because I had a broken wrist and couldn,t do it)and they told her it was in dire need of a transmission flush and rad flush one month after I did both.Went there the next day and call the service manager a bold faced lier,these places probely make millons on unnessary work.
 
Hey Keval85 Im glad to see you went down there and confronted him. Did you Punch the $hit outa him.. J/k.. hate to see places like this taking Advantage of women.
 
well the reason why the stuff would be recommended is because of mileage. jiffy lube techs are specifically told not to judge fluid color. so if the car was over the mileage recommendation then they would have recommended it. but they should not have said that it was in dire need of a fluid change. they should say that it is recommended for the mileage and then if the customer said no they should move on.
 
i used a place out of convienience for a summer and the owner who is a well known good mechanic told me once i needed the fuel filter changed. thing is he changed it for me the time before. he said he couldnt see the writing on it and figured it was OEM. and once they started it up ( i always stayed in the bay right in front of the vehicle) and it rattled bad and i said so ( it hadnt ever done that before at all) and the guy said they all do that. no sooner that he got the words out of his mouth the owner under it was hollering to shut it off. oil was shooting everywhere under it. so he and i thought double gasket but as he set the filter down in the catch area i saw two holes right in the side of the filter. like a snake bite. needless to say i do it myself now no matter what.
 
Greetings Olinkis,

I remember in High School I had a 1998 Hyundai Accent, it had 10,000 miles on the odometer. I took it to jiffy lube (I didn't know bitog back then either), I heard them debating whether to put the Mitsubishi filter on or not. Me not knowing about cars, i just let them finish the job. 20 minutes after i arrived home, i decided to check the oil again and there was no oil on the dipstick. I filled it with oil, went back to jiffy lube and me being a wimp and a softy, i told him i want 15 dollars off of my next oil change. So they finally found the fram Hyundai filter for my car.
 
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