Inside a Fram Extended Guard

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Originally Posted By: ctc
Wait, why would they use metal end caps on their premium filter? I thought engineered fiberboard was superior in every way to metal end caps????????????


I had a few interesting email exchanges with someone who works at FRAM. I asked permission to post the emails here and was asked not to. I suspect if I had, that post would now be pages and pages long (seriously).

However, I feel safe posting the following regarding the metal endcaps -

My question - " I notice that your higher end filters comes with metal endcaps (the Extended Guard I think). Obviously metal endcaps are important in your top of the line filter. I'm wondering why you can't use metal in your lower end line as well."


His answer - "Our Extended guard filter uses full synthetic media that must be wrapped around a stainless steel screen as it has no structural strength. We have to use a metal end cap with a curved edge to capture the screen, that is the only reason we use the metal end cap in the top of the line filter."
 
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Originally Posted By: Robenstein
Originally Posted By: RageOfFury
I'm using an Extended Guard on my Liberty. Very impressed so far. FRAM hit a home run with the XG.


Fill a room with a bunch of chimps with typewriters and eventually they will write Shakespeare.
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You callin' him a monkey?
 
Originally Posted By: rcy
Originally Posted By: ctc
Wait, why would they use metal end caps on their premium filter? I thought engineered fiberboard was superior in every way to metal end caps????????????


I had a few interesting email exchanges with someone who works at FRAM. I asked permission to post the emails here and was asked not to.


had something to hide huh fram o death?
 
Originally Posted By: D Bone
Originally Posted By: Robenstein
Originally Posted By: RageOfFury
I'm using an Extended Guard on my Liberty. Very impressed so far. FRAM hit a home run with the XG.


Fill a room with a bunch of chimps with typewriters and eventually they will write Shakespeare.
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You callin' him a monkey?


No I am calling Fram's engineers that.
 
So the day has come where
Bosch
Wix
Purolator
and now a FRAM filter - type xg is included as a quality filter

This is BITOG history
 
Very few companies only make junk, but many cheap out on their lower end products. Fram is one of those IMHO. Id use an extended guard if I could'nt get anything else like a Bosch or Purolator for less.
 
Originally Posted By: badnews
So the day has come where
Bosch
Wix
Purolator
and now a FRAM filter - type xg is included as a quality filter

This is BITOG history


This isn't the first time the Bosch, WIX and Purolator lovers have given the XG FRAM a thumbs up.
 
Originally Posted By: SuperBusa
This isn't the first time the Bosch, WIX and Purolator lovers have given the XG FRAM a thumbs up.
True that. And it's proof that Fram/Honeywell knows how to make a quality filter. Unfortunately, they choose not to apply that ability/knowledge to the orange can.

That said, at a price point of ~$8, there's lots of choices that argueably are equally good, that can be had for less money.
 
Originally Posted By: rcy

My question - " I notice that your higher end filters comes with metal endcaps (the Extended Guard I think). Obviously metal endcaps are important in your top of the line filter. I'm wondering why you can't use metal in your lower end line as well."

His answer - "Our Extended guard filter uses full synthetic media that must be wrapped around a stainless steel screen as it has no structural strength. We have to use a metal end cap with a curved edge to capture the screen, that is the only reason we use the metal end cap in the top of the line filter."


Yea......

Judging from the number of half-collapsed Extra Guard filters I've seen, I wouldn't say their low-end media is particularly strong, rigid, or robust.
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Originally Posted By: rszappa1
yae I see sooo many cars broke down on the side of the road because of a Fram filter failure...
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Even if the media collapses, if it doesn't come apart, the engine will still get oil and still run.

Think about an old filterless Brigs or Tecumseh for example.

Unfiltered oil still lubricates.

Since most people DON'T cut open their filters, they'd never know it even happened.
 
Originally Posted By: rszappa1
yae I see sooo many cars broke down on the side of the road because of a Fram filter failure...
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Exactly.....
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I hope this thread isn't too old to bump, but I put a Fram Extended Guard XG8A on the Lincoln this weekend. My biggest concern was the ADBV; my car is a very good weak ADBV detector, being as tired as it is.

With a PH8A or ST8A, the lifters rattle on startup for upwards of a second on a cold start where the car has sat for maybe 4 hours or more. (I'm not trying to bash Super Tech, because I routinely use their oil, grease, and did use their filters for my Camry, but that ST8A made my car feel and sound awful. I removed it after a week and replaced it with a FL-1A and was greeted with silence again. This was right before I got hooked on BITOG or I probably would have hacked that ST open!)

With a PL30001, FL-1A, or this new XG8A, the car can sit much longer with silent lifters at startup...longer than I let it sit before driving it again, apparently.

I will probably go back to the P1, primarily due to the P1's lower cost and also the fact that I don't do extended drains on this car, but I think the XG8A is a winner.
 
I find that my Ford Taurus with the 3.0 Vulcan engine sounds better regardless the time of year if I use something with a Silicon ADBV.

My Nissan Xterra and F-150 have their filters at the bottom of the engine or sitting upright, so that a ADBV will not do much.
 
Originally Posted By: Geonerd
Originally Posted By: rcy

My question - " I notice that your higher end filters comes with metal endcaps (the Extended Guard I think). Obviously metal endcaps are important in your top of the line filter. I'm wondering why you can't use metal in your lower end line as well."

His answer - "Our Extended guard filter uses full synthetic media that must be wrapped around a stainless steel screen as it has no structural strength. We have to use a metal end cap with a curved edge to capture the screen, that is the only reason we use the metal end cap in the top of the line filter."


Yea......

Judging from the number of half-collapsed Extra Guard filters I've seen, I wouldn't say their low-end media is particularly strong, rigid, or robust.
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More internet rumor fodder
 
Originally Posted By: badnews
Originally Posted By: Geonerd
Originally Posted By: rcy

My question - " I notice that your higher end filters comes with metal endcaps (the Extended Guard I think). Obviously metal endcaps are important in your top of the line filter. I'm wondering why you can't use metal in your lower end line as well."

His answer - "Our Extended guard filter uses full synthetic media that must be wrapped around a stainless steel screen as it has no structural strength. We have to use a metal end cap with a curved edge to capture the screen, that is the only reason we use the metal end cap in the top of the line filter."


Yea......

Judging from the number of half-collapsed Extra Guard filters I've seen, I wouldn't say their low-end media is particularly strong, rigid, or robust.
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More internet rumor fodder


Sadly true, more rumors that we have all heard before
 
Originally Posted By: 94MaxGXE
I got one to try in the Camry at Walmart. $.02 less than the WIX I normaly use from the auto part store. ($7.97 vs $7.99)


I would pay $7.97 for that Fram, just not Orange-Can-of-Doom.

Repeating what others said, "Why can't Fram build all their filters with the same level of quality?"
 
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