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Originally Posted By: andrewg

You posted the exaggerations and falsehoods....you need to back up what you are saying.
I don't need to back up anything.


Speaking of posting exaggerations and falsehoods; Pot, I'd like you to meet Kettle:

Originally Posted By: andrewg

But the fact is...our culture is quickly deteriorating. Morals change...but the basics are constant. We've become far more immoral. Same thing with ethics. Honesty....integrity...taking care of family. Responsibility. Accountability. Respect for your neighbor. Respect for marriage. Manners. Work ethics. Social etiquette. I could go on and cite examples...but I have a feeling that you, and many others, would be defending modern culture and have an opposite view....yet the further down the toilet our nation tumbles.
 
Originally Posted By: surfstar
Originally Posted By: andrewg

You posted the exaggerations and falsehoods....you need to back up what you are saying.
I don't need to back up anything.


Speaking of posting exaggerations and falsehoods; Pot, I'd like you to meet Kettle:

Originally Posted By: andrewg

But the fact is...our culture is quickly deteriorating. Morals change...but the basics are constant. We've become far more immoral. Same thing with ethics. Honesty....integrity...taking care of family. Responsibility. Accountability. Respect for your neighbor. Respect for marriage. Manners. Work ethics. Social etiquette. I could go on and cite examples...but I have a feeling that you, and many others, would be defending modern culture and have an opposite view....yet the further down the toilet our nation tumbles.


I actually need to provide you with proof of what is going on before your eyes? Or do you live in a cacoon?

Everything I've posted is in evidence in our daily environment...unless you have a lack of perception.

If you are one that feels our current society and American culture is at it's zenith of enlightenment....you wear blinders.
 
Again, I'm sure 1000 years would be no problem mentally.

In fact, it would give me time to do the things I want to do. Consider that I would then have the time to construct the things I want, and to utilize long term investments effectively.

I have no desire to be rich. But with that kind of time, I'd structure my life with the riches I want. Building a homebuilt aircraft, for example, may take 10 or 15 years. I'm currently 52. If I started now, it "might" be finished by my mid or even late 60's. Ugh.

I may have 8-15 more years before I retire. In fact, I really don't want to retire, ever. But the aviation world forces it.
 
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Of course, I'm sure I could occupy myself with enough to learn and try, as you mention, for a thousand years or more. But, it's the other stuff that would probably drive me nuts, seeing the world transformed in unrecognizable fashions. As we age, our perception of time changes. Cell phones and hybrids annoy the heck out of us right now. What's it going to be like in another 50 years, much less a thousand?
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Originally Posted By: andrewg
Originally Posted By: surfstar
Originally Posted By: andrewg

You posted the exaggerations and falsehoods....you need to back up what you are saying.
I don't need to back up anything.


Speaking of posting exaggerations and falsehoods; Pot, I'd like you to meet Kettle:

Originally Posted By: andrewg

But the fact is...our culture is quickly deteriorating. Morals change...but the basics are constant. We've become far more immoral. Same thing with ethics. Honesty....integrity...taking care of family. Responsibility. Accountability. Respect for your neighbor. Respect for marriage. Manners. Work ethics. Social etiquette. I could go on and cite examples...but I have a feeling that you, and many others, would be defending modern culture and have an opposite view....yet the further down the toilet our nation tumbles.


I actually need to provide you with proof of what is going on before your eyes? Or do you live in a cacoon?

Everything I've posted is in evidence in our daily environment...unless you have a lack of perception.

If you are one that feels our current society and American culture is at it's zenith of enlightenment....you wear blinders.


Like I said earlier, the people who claim these things aren't happening in our society, or they just don't see it are either living under a rock, or they are people who fit into this category and they think all of these things are perfectly acceptable and/or normal...in other words, they themselves are part of the declining society...
 
Originally Posted By: grampi
Like I said earlier, the people who claim these things aren't happening in our society, or they just don't see it are either living under a rock, or they are people who fit into this category and they think all of these things are perfectly acceptable and/or normal...in other words, they themselves are part of the declining society...


Yes, lets go back on the civil rights movement, usher slavery and homophobia back in, end women's suffrage, require property to vote, make polio an issue again, ... you know, the good 'ole days.

Really? Things are "bad" now? I'm sorry and saddened that you feel upset that more and more people in society are becoming equal and the white man no longer sits atop his throne. Because that's truly what you and andrewg are hinting at, but won't come out and say it. The RSP censorship on here gets you guys a little nervous from truly speaking your mind. Instead you write "Respect for marriage. Work ethics." and "declining society" and let people read between the lines and you hope they silently nod their heads in agreement.

It must also drive you crazy that the number of atheists is rising year over year. Another "societal decline" / morality issue in your eyes, I'm sure.
 
Originally Posted By: surfstar
Originally Posted By: grampi
Like I said earlier, the people who claim these things aren't happening in our society, or they just don't see it are either living under a rock, or they are people who fit into this category and they think all of these things are perfectly acceptable and/or normal...in other words, they themselves are part of the declining society...


Yes, lets go back on the civil rights movement, usher slavery and homophobia back in, end women's suffrage, require property to vote, make polio an issue again, ... you know, the good 'ole days.

Really? Things are "bad" now? I'm sorry and saddened that you feel upset that more and more people in society are becoming equal and the white man no longer sits atop his throne. Because that's truly what you and andrewg are hinting at, but won't come out and say it. The RSP censorship on here gets you guys a little nervous from truly speaking your mind. Instead you write "Respect for marriage. Work ethics." and "declining society" and let people read between the lines and you hope they silently nod their heads in agreement.

It must also drive you crazy that the number of atheists is rising year over year. Another "societal decline" / morality issue in your eyes, I'm sure.


Racist rant from a leftist who can come up with no better argument than this nonsense.
Where do you get off on accusing people of wanting slavery back? That's idiotic and completely without ant merit at all.
Don't put words in my mouth because you are intellectually void of a better response.

And people like you wonder why more conservative minded citizens get so angry at leftists such as yourself.

It would be like me saying, because you are a socialist/leftist loony tunes......that you are a red communist.

You should be the one to pause at the bitog sensors with the racist garbage you post.
To be frank, your statement is offensive and shows you are of the lowest order.

Now get back on the phones for Bernie.
 
Originally Posted By: andrewg
Originally Posted By: surfstar
Originally Posted By: grampi
Like I said earlier, the people who claim these things aren't happening in our society, or they just don't see it are either living under a rock, or they are people who fit into this category and they think all of these things are perfectly acceptable and/or normal...in other words, they themselves are part of the declining society...


Yes, lets go back on the civil rights movement, usher slavery and homophobia back in, end women's suffrage, require property to vote, make polio an issue again, ... you know, the good 'ole days.

Really? Things are "bad" now? I'm sorry and saddened that you feel upset that more and more people in society are becoming equal and the white man no longer sits atop his throne. Because that's truly what you and andrewg are hinting at, but won't come out and say it. The RSP censorship on here gets you guys a little nervous from truly speaking your mind. Instead you write "Respect for marriage. Work ethics." and "declining society" and let people read between the lines and you hope they silently nod their heads in agreement.

It must also drive you crazy that the number of atheists is rising year over year. Another "societal decline" / morality issue in your eyes, I'm sure.


Racist rant from a leftist who can come up with no better argument than this nonsense.
Where do you get off on accusing people of wanting slavery back? That's idiotic and completely without ant merit at all.
Don't put words in my mouth because you are intellectually void of a better response.

And people like you wonder why more conservative minded citizens get so angry at leftists such as yourself.

It would be like me saying, because you are a socialist/leftist loony tunes......that you are a red communist.

You should be the one to pause at the bitog sensors with the racist garbage you post.
To be frank, your statement is offensive and shows you are of the lowest order.

Now get back on the phones for Bernie.


He is part of the societal decline, and therefore he believes the way society is moving is a good thing...he is apparently okay with people not having any respect for anyone else or their belongings, he apparently is okay with people not having any manners, he apparently is okay with people's disregaurd for our laws, he is part of the problem...
 
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: andrewg
Originally Posted By: surfstar
Originally Posted By: grampi
Like I said earlier, the people who claim these things aren't happening in our society, or they just don't see it are either living under a rock, or they are people who fit into this category and they think all of these things are perfectly acceptable and/or normal...in other words, they themselves are part of the declining society...


Yes, lets go back on the civil rights movement, usher slavery and homophobia back in, end women's suffrage, require property to vote, make polio an issue again, ... you know, the good 'ole days.

Really? Things are "bad" now? I'm sorry and saddened that you feel upset that more and more people in society are becoming equal and the white man no longer sits atop his throne. Because that's truly what you and andrewg are hinting at, but won't come out and say it. The RSP censorship on here gets you guys a little nervous from truly speaking your mind. Instead you write "Respect for marriage. Work ethics." and "declining society" and let people read between the lines and you hope they silently nod their heads in agreement.

It must also drive you crazy that the number of atheists is rising year over year. Another "societal decline" / morality issue in your eyes, I'm sure.


Racist rant from a leftist who can come up with no better argument than this nonsense.
Where do you get off on accusing people of wanting slavery back? That's idiotic and completely without ant merit at all.
Don't put words in my mouth because you are intellectually void of a better response.

And people like you wonder why more conservative minded citizens get so angry at leftists such as yourself.

It would be like me saying, because you are a socialist/leftist loony tunes......that you are a red communist.

You should be the one to pause at the bitog sensors with the racist garbage you post.
To be frank, your statement is offensive and shows you are of the lowest order.

Now get back on the phones for Bernie.


He is part of the societal decline, and therefore he believes the way society is moving is a good thing...he is apparently okay with people not having any respect for anyone else or their belongings, he apparently is okay with people not having any manners, he apparently is okay with people's disregaurd for our laws, he is part of the problem...


You are darn right he is part of the problem. He's been infected with this cancer of upside down "logic". It is incomprehensible how anyone can think we are a more civil society today than decades ago. He contorts statements like having a respect for marriage as that tired old horse poop phrase "homophobia". The leftists always try to paint conservatives that way. Yet all it takes is a casual observance of the reprobates to see who has the true "phobias". They have a phobia for truth. Most of all they have a great phobia of anything remotely resembling common sense and conservative beliefs.

The country is in more of a terrible mess now because of this. We are at our worst at this moment of the last 100 years. Our society and culture is disappearing. Our expectations of a commonality of shared American values are no longer the norm. People like this leftist think "free" everything from government is the answer.

Such as sad time for our nation right now.
 
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Originally Posted By: andrewg
Don't put words in my mouth because you are intellectually void of a better response.


Okay then, what does "respect for marriage" "work ethics" mean?

Because to me, you're saying "we no longer have respect for marriage because gays can now marry". Funny because that statement would seem like no manners and no respect for your neighbors, other things you claim to be against.

"work ethics" means you're harping on people on welfare. Which most conservatives equate to brown or black people.

But that's just my red communistic slant interpreting your words. So why don't you fully write out what you intended to say, instead of short handing your comments.
 
Originally Posted By: surfstar
Originally Posted By: andrewg
Don't put words in my mouth because you are intellectually void of a better response.


Okay then, what does "respect for marriage" "work ethics" mean?

Because to me, you're saying "we no longer have respect for marriage because gays can now marry". Funny because that statement would seem like no manners and no respect for your neighbors, other things you claim to be against.

"work ethics" means you're harping on people on welfare. Which most conservatives equate to brown or black people.

But that's just my red communistic slant interpreting your words. So why don't you fully write out what you intended to say, instead of short handing your comments.


Good comment.
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Originally Posted By: andrewg
We are at our worst at this moment of the last 100 years.


Again, I'm not putting these words in your mouth!
WORST OF LAST 100 YEARS.

Women couldn't vote, blacks were discriminated against - those are just two that jump out to me when I think of "society" 100 years ago. And I'm the one who has trouble with "truth"?

Again, what do you mean when you say these things? I'm reading the words you write, but you say that somehow I'm not getting it.

What specifically is worse now than 100 years ago?
 
Originally Posted By: surfstar
Originally Posted By: andrewg
Don't put words in my mouth because you are intellectually void of a better response.


Okay then, what does "respect for marriage" "work ethics" mean?

Because to me, you're saying "we no longer have respect for marriage because gays can now marry". Funny because that statement would seem like no manners and no respect for your neighbors, other things you claim to be against.

"work ethics" means you're harping on people on welfare. Which most conservatives equate to brown or black people.

But that's just my red communistic slant interpreting your words. So why don't you fully write out what you intended to say, instead of short handing your comments.


Because I have a belief that marriage is and always has been between a man and a woman (for obvious purposes...societal and biological) and reject that a true marriage can be between same sexes.....you label me a "homophobe". Is that how you argue? Are you that bankrupt that the best you can come up with is a label that really describes absolutely nothing? You leftists do this though. It's one of your tactics. Whenever you can't counter...you label and use emotions to paint a nonexistent picture of "hate". That's laughable. But the really funny thing is how you people love to talk about diversity of thought or ideas...unless it's of a conservative nature. Then naturally, you dismiss that and perform the hypocrite two-step. As a further clarification, I have NEVER insulted nor hurt the feeling of a gay person because of being gay or who they decide to marry. I respect them...but I ask that in return they MUST respect my beliefs as well and not label them as "hate". I see this FORCED way of thinking placed upon businesses as well. I am told what I must THINK while at work about homosexuals and those of other ethnicities. Yet I am given no such respect and reverence for MY ethnic background.As a matter of fact, the mere idea of having a diversity class at my work assumes that white American, Western European culture is racist and in need of the class. It's pure rubbish...but no doubt something that you would see as "balance".

Work ethics? What of it? I've been in the work force for 30 years. In that time I've witnessed a complete breakdown of the ethics of hard work for getting a paycheck. I've seen welfare rolls grow as an extension of entitlement instead of need. That includes all races...yet we all know full well the overwhelming predominant one. Why be afraid to talk about it? It's "racist" to talk about statistical facts? I have friends that are of varying ethnicities. Guess what? Many of them agree with my opinions.

And previously you mentioned something about a fear of atheists? That's really making you look like the fool. I am an atheist. But I also realize the great contribution that Judeo-Christian beliefs have in forming or laws and culture. I respect that very much. Does that make me filled with "hate"? I also agree with much of what the Tea Party people believe...but I don't need a belief in God to do that. I use my own ability to reason.

I also hate to keep popping your little bubble...but as far as being accepting of those of other ethnicities...and I've mentioned this probably fifty times on this board...the most important person in the world to me is my girlfriend of 8 years.

She's a Mexican immigrant.

Now get lost.
 
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Originally Posted By: surfstar
Originally Posted By: andrewg
Don't put words in my mouth because you are intellectually void of a better response.


Okay then, what does "respect for marriage" "work ethics" mean?

Because to me, you're saying "we no longer have respect for marriage because gays can now marry". Funny because that statement would seem like no manners and no respect for your neighbors, other things you claim to be against.

"work ethics" means you're harping on people on welfare. Which most conservatives equate to brown or black people.

But that's just my red communistic slant interpreting your words. So why don't you fully write out what you intended to say, instead of short handing your comments.


You either assume too much, or you simply have nothing viable to back your view. No respect for the sanctity of marriage to me means that far too many people today treat marriage as nothing more than a piece of paper. People no longer want to work out their problems, so they just get divorced. As far as work ethics, it's a fact that there are more minorities on welfare than other races. That isn't a racial statement, that's fact. But people with your view don't want to hear the facts, they want to silence facts by screaming racism. No one, regardless of skin color should be on any form of permanent government assistance unless they have some disability that prevents them from being able to work. Period! Again, this is in no way a racial statement, it's merely a fact...
 
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andrewg, I appreciate that you have provided more info in your thoughts/response. It helps to clarify your thinking for me. You would also be surprised on some of my positions regarding fiscal responsibility and immigration.

You say you respect gays and their rights, but wish that their rights don't impose upon you/your beliefs. That's a hard one to reconcile when it comes to marriage.

I guess you are an atheist, but not a humanist.


But slightly back on topic, as an atheist, I would love to be able to survive long enough to see what our world is like in another 100 years. I think that once education is furthered, that religions will eventually fail or have to adapt to new "beliefs". It has happened to many hundreds of religions over time. We look back upon Greek Mythology as "quaint stories", which is how our current monotheistic religions will be looked upon in the future.

Then there's that whole ASI (artificial super intelligence) thing. That could really throw a wrench into society. It could be our destruction or salvation. Time to start worshiping the computers
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Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: surfstar
Originally Posted By: andrewg
Don't put words in my mouth because you are intellectually void of a better response.


Okay then, what does "respect for marriage" "work ethics" mean?

Because to me, you're saying "we no longer have respect for marriage because gays can now marry". Funny because that statement would seem like no manners and no respect for your neighbors, other things you claim to be against.

"work ethics" means you're harping on people on welfare. Which most conservatives equate to brown or black people.

But that's just my red communistic slant interpreting your words. So why don't you fully write out what you intended to say, instead of short handing your comments.


You either assume too much, or you simply have nothing viable to back your view. No respect for the sanctity of marriage to me means that far too many people today treat marriage as nothing more than a piece of paper. People no longer want to work out their problems, so they just get divorced. As far as work ethics, it's a fact that there are more minorities on welfare than other races. That isn't a racial statement, that's fact. But people with your view don't want to hear the facts, they want to silence facts by screaming racism. No one, regardless of skin color should be on any form of permanent government assistance unless they have some disability that prevents them from being able to work. Period! Again, this is in no way a racial statement, it's merely a fact...


gramps, sorry to burst your bubble, but marriage IS a piece of paper. It is a contractual agreement UNDER LAW. The only belief that it is more than that, comes from religion. The IRS doesn't care what your religion thinks about your relationships, only what that piece of paper (ie marriage certificate) says. Same goes for health benefits, widow benefits, etc.
Marriage is a legal contract.

And there are plenty of white people on welfare. Socio-economic classes are a much more efficient way of grouping people than by race/ethnicity. Poor whites fit in just fine with those of darker skin.
 
Originally Posted By: surfstar
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: surfstar
Originally Posted By: andrewg
Don't put words in my mouth because you are intellectually void of a better response.


Okay then, what does "respect for marriage" "work ethics" mean?

Because to me, you're saying "we no longer have respect for marriage because gays can now marry". Funny because that statement would seem like no manners and no respect for your neighbors, other things you claim to be against.

"work ethics" means you're harping on people on welfare. Which most conservatives equate to brown or black people.

But that's just my red communistic slant interpreting your words. So why don't you fully write out what you intended to say, instead of short handing your comments.


You either assume too much, or you simply have nothing viable to back your view. No respect for the sanctity of marriage to me means that far too many people today treat marriage as nothing more than a piece of paper. People no longer want to work out their problems, so they just get divorced. As far as work ethics, it's a fact that there are more minorities on welfare than other races. That isn't a racial statement, that's fact. But people with your view don't want to hear the facts, they want to silence facts by screaming racism. No one, regardless of skin color should be on any form of permanent government assistance unless they have some disability that prevents them from being able to work. Period! Again, this is in no way a racial statement, it's merely a fact...


gramps, sorry to burst your bubble, but marriage IS a piece of paper. It is a contractual agreement UNDER LAW. The only belief that it is more than that, comes from religion. The IRS doesn't care what your religion thinks about your relationships, only what that piece of paper (ie marriage certificate) says. Same goes for health benefits, widow benefits, etc.
Marriage is a legal contract.

And there are plenty of white people on welfare. Socio-economic classes are a much more efficient way of grouping people than by race/ethnicity. Poor whites fit in just fine with those of darker skin.


You need to look up the definition of sanctity. To people like you, marriage is only a piece of paper, that's why I say people who think as you do are part of our societal problems. Marriage is much more than a piece of paper whether you are religious or not. Also, I didn't say there weren't white people on welfare, I said there are more minorities on welfare, which is a fact. But again, you would apparently rather twist what is being said than face the truth...
 
Let me see if I understand. You would want to end your life because there are things going on in the world that you disagree with? Too many lazy people and gays bother you that much?
 
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