I really want to try M1 0W-40

Status
Not open for further replies.
This is a pretty bad idea if your car doesn't spec something like an A3 oil, or something with a high HTHS rating. Run the manufacturer spec'd oil.

Mobil 1 0W-40 Value
Viscosity, cSt (ASTM D445)
@ 40º C 75
@ 100º C 13.5
Viscosity Index 185
MRV at -40ºC, cP (ASTM D4684) 31,000

Mobil 1 5w30
SAE Grade 5w30
Viscosity @ 100ºC, cSt (ASTM D445) 11.0
Viscosity, @ 40ºC, cSt (ASTM D445) 61.7
Viscosity Index 172
Sulfated Ash, wt% (ASTM D874) 0.8
HTHS Viscosity, mPa•s @ 150ºC (ASTM D4683) 3.1
Pour Point, ºC (ASTM D97) -42
Flash Point, ºC (ASTM D92) 230

If you really want to try something different, how about AFE 0w30? The MRV at -40 is dramatically lower.

SAE Grade 0W-30
Viscosity @ 100ºC, cSt (ASTM D445) 10.9
Viscosity, @ 40ºC, cSt (ASTM D445) 62.9
Viscosity Index 166
Phosphorous (ASTM D4951) 0.065
Sulfated Ash, wt%, (ASTM D874) 0.9
HTHS Viscosity, mPa•s @ 150ºC (ASTM D4683) 3.0
Flash Point, ºC (ASTM D92) 226
Pour Point, ºC (ASTM D97) -50
Total Base Number (ASTM D2896) 9.1
MRV @ -40 ºC (ASTM D4684) 13,250
 
Hi,
Astro14 - Never presume - you said this:

".....or from Australia for that matter, but they haven't seen anything like a Canadian winter."

Well I lived for several years in Scandinavia and carried out winter testing of prototype vehicles and lubricant there (in the Circle)! As well I was born in NZ and spent a lot of time in the high Southern Alps - operating vehicles there too.
I also had my own Auto Service Facility in Queenstown and operated in the Mountains with vehicle recoveries etc.

And I've travelled across Canada from one side to the other by car in the winter - I've even been trapped on a train by a landslide in the Rockies

I know what COLD and wind chill is believe me.................

The OP wants to try out a 0W-40 lubricant with excellent cold start credentials and well recognised by Euro Manufacturers - he should go for it!
 
Originally Posted By: Johnyjj1212
Originally Posted By: electrolover
even tho it says 0w it wont have the cold flo of a 5w 30 syn


Won't it have a better cold flow?


Not until it gets to around -30F
 
Originally Posted By: Doug Hillary
Hi,
Astro14 - Never presume - you said this:

".....or from Australia for that matter, but they haven't seen anything like a Canadian winter."

Well I lived for several years in Scandinavia and carried out winter testing of prototype vehicles and lubricant there (in the Circle)! As well I was born in NZ and spent a lot of time in the high Southern Alps - operating vehicles there too.
I also had my own Auto Service Facility in Queenstown and operated in the Mountains with vehicle recoveries etc.

And I've travelled across Canada from one side to the other by car in the winter - I've even been trapped on a train by a landslide in the Rockies

I know what COLD and wind chill is believe me.................

The OP wants to try out a 0W-40 lubricant with excellent cold start credentials and well recognised by Euro Manufacturers - he should go for it!


Please forgive my presumption.

But while I use and recommend the 0W40 in my own vehicle, Winnipeg is extreme in the winter. I lived there for 4 years, and I have seen -45....and it's far colder on average than any other major city in Canada or nearly all of Europe. Far colder than Colorado, where I also lived...I still think he is better served with a 0W30 (by definition, a synthetic) in that extreme environment.
 
What many people don't realize is that in cold weather the oil in the sump never gets up to normal operating temps. The coolant may get up to the same temps as summer, but the oil never does. (rarely) Therefore using a 40 weight is doable, but will give poor fuel economy. No need to do that. If I lived in Winnipeg. I would use a 0W20 or 5W20 in the winter no matter what mfgr recommends. (keep in mind manufacturers do not make special recommendations for places with cold weather, just one size fits all from Alaska to Arizona) I would bet that that oil will still be thicker in winter than any 30 weight would be in the summer.
 
Originally Posted By: Astro14
Originally Posted By: Doug Hillary
Hi,
Astro14 - Never presume - you said this:

".....or from Australia for that matter, but they haven't seen anything like a Canadian winter."

Well I lived for several years in Scandinavia and carried out winter testing of prototype vehicles and lubricant there (in the Circle)! As well I was born in NZ and spent a lot of time in the high Southern Alps - operating vehicles there too.
I also had my own Auto Service Facility in Queenstown and operated in the Mountains with vehicle recoveries etc.

And I've travelled across Canada from one side to the other by car in the winter - I've even been trapped on a train by a landslide in the Rockies

I know what COLD and wind chill is believe me.................

The OP wants to try out a 0W-40 lubricant with excellent cold start credentials and well recognised by Euro Manufacturers - he should go for it!


Please forgive my presumption.

But while I use and recommend the 0W40 in my own vehicle, Winnipeg is extreme in the winter. I lived there for 4 years, and I have seen -45....and it's far colder on average than any other major city in Canada or nearly all of Europe. Far colder than Colorado, where I also lived...I still think he is better served with a 0W30 (by definition, a synthetic) in that extreme environment.


Incorrect assumption.
 
In a 2.2L Ecotec, I would go with a 0w30 year-round. No need for a 40-weight in that engine running in normal passenger car duty.
 
Originally Posted By: chevrofreak
Originally Posted By: Astro14
Far colder than Colorado, where I also lived...I still think he is better served with a 0W30 (by definition, a synthetic) in that extreme environment.


Incorrect assumption.


I think it's a pretty good assumption.
I never have seen a conventional 0w30. Can you name any?
I have seen syn blend 0w30's. Brad Penn is one that I can name OTOMH.
 
Originally Posted By: A_Harman
Originally Posted By: chevrofreak
Originally Posted By: Astro14
Far colder than Colorado, where I also lived...I still think he is better served with a 0W30 (by definition, a synthetic) in that extreme environment.


Incorrect assumption.


I think it's a pretty good assumption.
I never have seen a conventional 0w30. Can you name any?
I have seen syn blend 0w30's. Brad Penn is one that I can name OTOMH.


Brad Penn 0w-30, Rotella T5 0w-30, Petro Canada Duron XL 0w-30. You can find synthetic blends in 0w-20, 0w30 and 0w-40. So, how can it be "by definition" a synthetic?
 
But you didn't answer my question: Who makes a conventional 0w30?

If some synthetic content is required to make a 0w30, I think that tends to support Astro14's original statement.
 
Does picking my statement apart really help the OP?

I might have been wrong about only synthetic meeting 0W30 (though...because I read it on BITOG, it must be true...right?), but the thread was about what oil to use in the extreme climate in Winnipeg.

And I stand by the 0W30 recommendation for him. Given some lows below -40, I believe 0W30 (a synthetic one...) makes the most sense.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Similar threads

R
0W-30, 0W-40 versus 5W-30EP
Replies
12
Views
864
RitcheyRch
D
M1 ESP 0W-30 vs M1 Euro/FS 0W-40
2
Replies
34
Views
4K
buster
Z
Can I use 0w-40 in my Raptor?
2
Replies
24
Views
1K
kschachn
A
2023 BRZ (FA24); Redline 0W-40 vs Mobil 1 0W-40
Replies
19
Views
1K
chris719
Klutch9
Going back to 0w-20 for the winter
2 3 4
Replies
70
Views
3K
rondhol
Back
Top Bottom