I am torn.
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Originally Posted By: Max_Wander
so now overkill is not torn anymore....well not as badly as his M1 oil film! J/K
I am thoroughly impressed by that Donaldson filter media and build quality. Maybe a silicone seal and ADBV and that would be a near perfect filter!
Correct, I took the plunge
And yes, the build quality of the Donaldson filters is phenomenal.
so now overkill is not torn anymore....well not as badly as his M1 oil film! J/K
I am thoroughly impressed by that Donaldson filter media and build quality. Maybe a silicone seal and ADBV and that would be a near perfect filter!
Correct, I took the plunge
And yes, the build quality of the Donaldson filters is phenomenal.
Good oil choice, it would be the oil of choice for many here with that vehicle. 5W20 isn't available period, and 5W30 is as rare as rocking horse sh1te.
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Truck seems quite happy with it anyways, almost feels like it has more power, but that is probably my imagination.
Running smoother for sure.
I expect basically zero usage for the entire OCI, as I noticed that running this oil in the Lincoln, that there was basically zero oil consumption.
I've put 1,000Km on it already.
Running smoother for sure.
I expect basically zero usage for the entire OCI, as I noticed that running this oil in the Lincoln, that there was basically zero oil consumption.
I've put 1,000Km on it already.
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Heck...I've thought about running RTS 5w40 in my little Mazda, as it DEFINITELY runs smoother on a heavier oil. this is not imagination, but fact, in my mind.
I'm going to run some 10w30 conventional in the summer and see how she goes too. I'm sure it will blow up!
I'm going to run some 10w30 conventional in the summer and see how she goes too. I'm sure it will blow up!
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: RISUPERCREWMAN
Why anybody would want to put in 5w-40 in a modern Ford Modular V-8 engine in beyond belief! Do what the manual calls for 5w-20, & stop stressing about it! My 07 5.4 3v has been weined on Mobil-1 5w-20 since it's 1st oil change, & runs super smooth at 36,000 miles!......
Why?
The engine was originally spec'd for 5w30. The TDT is a better oil. Yes, it is heavier, but the truck doesn't seem to mind, as fuel mileage has not been affected.
I could run OEM filters as well (just finished an OCI with a similar combo to yours: M1 5w20, Motorcraft filter) but I feel both products I am currently using are BETTER than what is spec'd by Ford.
-The filter in terms of filter media
-The oil in terms of overall protection
This site is all about the experimentation and obsession with oil. If we all just followed what was in the manual and on the fill cap, we'd have nothing to talk about.
The Modern Ford Modular Engine needs rapid oil flow to the TOP of the Engine FAST upon a COLD start! Go ahead, run your 5w-40 Diesel oil, & see what happends......(LOL)....You do not know more that the FORD ENGINEERS who designed the Mod Motor!!!
Originally Posted By: RISUPERCREWMAN
Why anybody would want to put in 5w-40 in a modern Ford Modular V-8 engine in beyond belief! Do what the manual calls for 5w-20, & stop stressing about it! My 07 5.4 3v has been weined on Mobil-1 5w-20 since it's 1st oil change, & runs super smooth at 36,000 miles!......
Why?
The engine was originally spec'd for 5w30. The TDT is a better oil. Yes, it is heavier, but the truck doesn't seem to mind, as fuel mileage has not been affected.
I could run OEM filters as well (just finished an OCI with a similar combo to yours: M1 5w20, Motorcraft filter) but I feel both products I am currently using are BETTER than what is spec'd by Ford.
-The filter in terms of filter media
-The oil in terms of overall protection
This site is all about the experimentation and obsession with oil. If we all just followed what was in the manual and on the fill cap, we'd have nothing to talk about.
The Modern Ford Modular Engine needs rapid oil flow to the TOP of the Engine FAST upon a COLD start! Go ahead, run your 5w-40 Diesel oil, & see what happends......(LOL)....You do not know more that the FORD ENGINEERS who designed the Mod Motor!!!
Originally Posted By: ArcticCat
No doubt the GC is a better oil, it's just that the 5w-40 is much cheaper up here as it comes in jugs.
If there is no doubt, will you make your case for it?
No doubt the GC is a better oil, it's just that the 5w-40 is much cheaper up here as it comes in jugs.
If there is no doubt, will you make your case for it?
What weird is that if my F250 sits during the weekend and I start it (cold, on Monday for work), it does not make a clattering sound. However if it sits for about overnight it clatters. I've tried Wix and Motorcraft filters and this is a weird situation.
Originally Posted By: JAG
Originally Posted By: ArcticCat
No doubt the GC is a better oil, it's just that the 5w-40 is much cheaper up here as it comes in jugs.
If there is no doubt, will you make your case for it?
Haha...GC is one tough oil whose performance speaks for itself. It doesn't need me to 'make a case' for it.
But since you insist...
The reason why I said it was a better oil was because it meets tougher OEM specs (it's a MB 229.5 oil while the 5w-40 is only a MB 229.3 oil) and GC won't be as thick at start-up [my winter start-ups can be as low as -30 C].
Originally Posted By: ArcticCat
No doubt the GC is a better oil, it's just that the 5w-40 is much cheaper up here as it comes in jugs.
If there is no doubt, will you make your case for it?
Haha...GC is one tough oil whose performance speaks for itself. It doesn't need me to 'make a case' for it.
But since you insist...
The reason why I said it was a better oil was because it meets tougher OEM specs (it's a MB 229.5 oil while the 5w-40 is only a MB 229.3 oil) and GC won't be as thick at start-up [my winter start-ups can be as low as -30 C].
I agree that GC's specs. or at least its claimed specs (it's not on several approval lists that it mentions) are some of the toughest. M1 TDT doesn't meet any of the three gasoline MB oil specs (229.1, 229.3, 229.5). It's primarily for diesel engines but also meets basic gasoline engine specs. XOM would not be wise to pay for MB 229.X testing/certification on such an oil.
Originally Posted By: RISUPERCREWMAN
The Modern Ford Modular Engine needs rapid oil flow to the TOP of the Engine FAST upon a COLD start! Go ahead, run your 5w-40 Diesel oil, & see what happends......(LOL)....You do not know more that the FORD ENGINEERS who designed the Mod Motor!!!
Why all the fear-mongering about 5w40 oil?
Guess what millions of engines that are now spec'd for 5w20 have run 5w30 for years...and they did not magically seize up the first time 5w30 was poured into the crankcase.
Engines spec'd for 5w20 are commonly run on 5w40 or 10w40 in Europe and Australia. Guess what, they have not magically seized up either!
How about you give the fear-mongering a rest!
The Modern Ford Modular Engine needs rapid oil flow to the TOP of the Engine FAST upon a COLD start! Go ahead, run your 5w-40 Diesel oil, & see what happends......(LOL)....You do not know more that the FORD ENGINEERS who designed the Mod Motor!!!
Why all the fear-mongering about 5w40 oil?
Guess what millions of engines that are now spec'd for 5w20 have run 5w30 for years...and they did not magically seize up the first time 5w30 was poured into the crankcase.
Engines spec'd for 5w20 are commonly run on 5w40 or 10w40 in Europe and Australia. Guess what, they have not magically seized up either!
How about you give the fear-mongering a rest!
Originally Posted By: JAG
I agree that GC's specs. or at least its claimed specs (it's not on several approval lists that it mentions) are some of the toughest. M1 TDT doesn't meet any of the three gasoline MB oil specs (229.1, 229.3, 229.5). It's primarily for diesel engines but also meets basic gasoline engine specs. XOM would not be wise to pay for MB 229.X testing/certification on such an oil.
Jag, I was comparing Syntec 5w40 and Syntec 0w30 in my post above.
As far as GC vs M1 TDT goes, undeniably that is a much tougher pair of oils to pick a clear winner from.
I agree that GC's specs. or at least its claimed specs (it's not on several approval lists that it mentions) are some of the toughest. M1 TDT doesn't meet any of the three gasoline MB oil specs (229.1, 229.3, 229.5). It's primarily for diesel engines but also meets basic gasoline engine specs. XOM would not be wise to pay for MB 229.X testing/certification on such an oil.
Jag, I was comparing Syntec 5w40 and Syntec 0w30 in my post above.
As far as GC vs M1 TDT goes, undeniably that is a much tougher pair of oils to pick a clear winner from.
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