Honda Oil is NOT the same as Exxon Superflo

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you dont have to use blackstone you know. i used butler labs recently and trust them more than blackstone as far as being consistent.

honda gf-3 5w-20
iron - 1
moly - 102
potassium - 1
boron - 63
si - 3
sodium - 243
calcium - 1467
mag - 6
phos - 590
zinc - 675

exxon 5w-20 unknown gf
iron - 1
moly - 109
potassium - 1
boron - 65
si - 2
sodium - 249
calcium - 1237
mag - 3
phos - 520
zinc - 620

these two links show them being very close. im sure theres more out there as well.

exxon
honda
 
Jay, thanks for your question, but please keep all of these questions on this thread, man you muddied the water of my original UOA from over three years ago
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There are three factors IMO that make UOAs different, variation between labs(Blackstone vs. Cat for example), variation within each individual lab, and different batches of oil. IMO, Honda, Mobil 5000 and Exxon Superflo 5W20 are VERY similar, and you or your car would never know the difference. If you like sticking with the same oil, find a local store that carries either the Mobil 5000(Autozone, Walmart, Advance, Pepboys) or the Exxon(Autozone, Kmart, Riteaid) and stick with it. I personally buy oil on availability, as I don't have alot of time to drive around and bargain hunt.
 
The Honda oil has no sodium whereas the Exxon Superflo has a high amount of sodium. Also the Honda oil has twice the Moly content as the Exxon.
 
Those two post are more than 2 years apart, thus the oils are not the same formulations.

Honda motor oil sold at dealerships is made by ExxonMobil. It says so on the package. As to if it is the "same" as "Superflo" i cant say for sure, but my guess is that Superflo, Honda, and DC5000 are all the same with tiny unimportant variations to keep ExxonMobil out of court.

http://www.lubricantsettlement.com/notice.pdf#search='exxonmobil superflo court'

[ April 28, 2006, 12:46 PM: Message edited by: hominid7 ]
 
Look at the dates of those two VOAs. The Honda oil is SL/GF-3 while the Superflow is SM/GF-4. Apples and oranges as far as formulation chemistry even if made by the same company.
 
I do not doubt that Honda dealership bulk oil may be one and the same as the Exxon-Mobil bulk oil delivered to a Ford or Chrysler dealership down the road.

However, I am under the impression that the Honda oil in the quart containers you buy at the dealership is made by Exxon-Mobil to "Honda specs". That is, just as the Honda factory break-in oil is proprietary to Honda (that is, manufactured to their specs, which may only be a final addition of a proprietary additive pack), so to is their over the counter dealership oil.

Is there any performance difference between E-M dealership bulk oil and the bottled oil? I highly, highly doubt it. However, I use the Honda oil in my new Honda.

Just so, I use Honda dealership oil filters (made by Fram to Honda's specs) rather than Fram filters off the shelf of an auto-parts store. Not saying there's necessarily an analogy here, it may be more of a semi-conundrum.
 
Thanks for all the input. And I really appreciate the generosity of getting a Honda VOA done!

I was unable to find Exxon Superflo in a 5w20 around my area anyways -- Walmart and the Exxon stations had all kinds of weights, just not 5w20.

However, since it sounds like Mobil 5000 = Exxon Superflo = Honda, I decided to go with the $1.95 per quart Mobil 5000.
 
I believe the Honda factory fill is actually a Nippon oil branded product.

Nippon was using a 3rd party blender to fill bottles with it's API licensed formulations. As this 2002 Lube Report article indicates, it was Chevron & Petro-Canada in previous years.

http://www.lubereport.com/e_article000117322.cfm


And Nippon is now in the process of building a blending plant in Alabama to supply Toyota, Honda and Hyundai with factory fill.

http://www.imakenews.com/lng/e_article000458381.cfm?x=b11,0,w

Nippon lists factory fills at it's website:

http://www.eneos.us/Partners.html


Keep in mind that the choice of a bulk oil supplier or a packaged oil supplier by the US Honda dealers is a separate issue.
 
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Originally posted by jayjr98:
Thanks for all the input. And I really appreciate the generosity of getting a Honda VOA done!

I was unable to find Exxon Superflo in a 5w20 around my area anyways -- Walmart and the Exxon stations had all kinds of weights, just not 5w20.

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I usually find it at Advance Auto or Autozone.
No one has reported seeing it at Wal-Mart in recent years.
I've been running Superflo 5W20 in conjunction with my belief that "any Ford/Honda-approved 5W20 is good enough."
 
So just for the sake of comparison... which Exxon Superflo 5w20 VOA are we going to compare the Honda motor oil sample against? The one I provided a link for at the top of this thread is dated June 2005. Will that suffice? Or should I (if I can find Exxon Superflo 5w20), send in a VOA for this oil?

I have a nearby Kmart that I will try, the nearest Autozone is not so close.
 
I'll tell you what, 5w20 Exxon Superflo is NOT easy to find !!! I tried 3 different walmarts. Two of them carries SUperflo, just not in 5w20. I then tried my local KMart. Same story there, they carry superflo, just not in 5w20. I stopped at the Exxon station, even they don't carry the 5w20.

I took LT4Vette's advice and called my local (sort of -- 15 miles away) local Autozone and they carry it and have it in stock. I think I'll pick up a quart tonight and I will send in a sample when I get my kit from blackstone.
 
My local AutoZone carrys lots of Exxon Superflo 5w20 in quarts and in 5 qt jugs. They also carry 5w30, 10w30, 10w40, 20w50, and SAE30.
 
You might want to call that Autozone and confirm that the stock of 5w20 that they have is SM GF-4. I say this because the 3 Autozone stores near me have an ample supply of Superflo 5w20, problem is it's all SL GF-3!
 
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Originally posted by leanintoit:
You might want to call that Autozone and confirm that the stock of 5w20 that they have is SM GF-4. I say this because the 3 Autozone stores near me have an ample supply of Superflo 5w20, problem is it's all SL GF-3!
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Ok so to an oil layman like me... this means what ???
 
The following phrase was taken directly off of the Exxon website where it was advertising superflo....

"The SAE 5W-20, 5w30 and 10w30 grades satisfy API Category SM, which is the highest API quality recommended for gasoline powered vehicles."

So does this mean your local Autozone has an "old stock" of superflo motor oil?

BTW, here is the link... apparently the other grades besides 5w20, 5w30, 10w30 are in API Category SL

http://www.exxon.com/USA-English/Lubes/PDS/GLXXENPVLEXSuperflo.asp
 
Jayjr98,

Unlike milk, oil does not have an expiration date printed on it. You can sometimes find very, very old stock on the shelves. Just start looking when you pass oil in grocery stores and general stores. At AutoZone you often have to look at the last bottles in the rack. They may have been there since the store was first built - no kidding.
 
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