Honda 15400 PLM A02 12211 km's [CUT OPEN]

[Wildcard]

The endcap felt a little stiff and broke off when i tried to bend it. The pleats were still movable. Anti drainback valve still soft and pliable, the bypass valve still functioning and as you can see there were bits of black stuff in the bottom of the can. Oil smelled a little gassy, and not in the "i ate bad mexican food" kind of way. Filter was in use for one year.

 

[jk_636]

It's never good to hear about end caps falling apart.

Maybe not the best looking filter ever, but it seems to have held up pretty well. One year of service is definitely a long time.

Thanks for the cut and post!!

 

[Danh]

This is why the interchangeable 15400 PLM A01 with metal end caps is preferred by many. The A01 is made by Filtech, the A02 by Fram. Or, for the same price you can have a Fram Ultra - but that's another story.

 

[Wildcard]

I actually changed to hamp, its the same as the A1 but its newer not old/new stock like the A1. I think the hamp has an improved (?) bypass valve too. Also the A1 doesnt have endcaps.

 

[MinamiKotaro]

Looks a lot better than a regular extra guard.

 

[WankelRotorHead]

Originally Posted By: MinamiKotaro
Looks a lot better than a regular extra guard.


They are built like a Tough Guard, except they are way less efficient. Honda and Toyota seem to be in the flow over filtration crowd and given all 10 cars in Consumer's Report top ten cars that will likely last 200k miles are either Honda or Toyota...there might be something to that!

 

[Danh]

Originally Posted By: BikeWhisperer
Originally Posted By: MinamiKotaro
Looks a lot better than a regular extra guard.


They are built like a Tough Guard, except they are way less efficient. Honda and Toyota seem to be in the flow over filtration crowd and given all 10 cars in Consumer's Report top ten cars that will likely last 200k miles are either Honda or Toyota...there might be something to that!


The outcomes do seem to be fine, but I wonder. Honda recommends changing the filter every other oil change, keeping it in service for up to 20,000 miles (or even more) or 2 years. Under these conditions, a low efficiency filter may be less-likely to clog than others. Maybe this is the reason they follow the "flow" route.

 

[goodtimes]

Someone finds one oil filter with 60% efficiency, publishes a graph 4 years ago, and for all time Honda chooses flow over efficiency. They even design their intervals based on the high flow. No one even knows if the one filter was an anomaly, or if the filter is actually 60% and also flows poorly. No one knows, except those at Honda making the decision, whether they choose flow over filtration or not.

 

[Danh]

Originally Posted By: goodtimes
Someone finds one oil filter with 60% efficiency, publishes a graph 4 years ago, and for all time Honda chooses flow over efficiency. They even design their intervals based on the high flow. No one even knows if the one filter was an anomaly, or if the filter is actually 60% and also flows poorly. No one knows, except those at Honda making the decision, whether they choose flow over filtration or not.


Well, nature (and BITOG) abhors a vacuum...

 

[Bigdaddyeasy]

Yet another failed FRAM filter! Gee wiz when will people learn. FRAM makes just 1 good filter line and after seeing some recent pics of some fu cartridges I'm starting to even question that lime too. Purolator is one fix away from being very superior over FRAM. FRAM needs to completely redisign eg and tg and fix their fu cartridge problems.

 

[goodtimes]

Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy
Yet another failed FRAM filter! Gee wiz when will people learn. FRAM makes just 1 good filter line and after seeing some recent pics of some fu cartridges I'm starting to even question that lime too. Purolator is one fix away from being very superior over FRAM. FRAM needs to completely redisign eg and tg and fix their fu cartridge problems.

It failed in what way, looks when cut open? Any other way it failed? It is a Honda filter, not Fram, with their warranty of quality, made for them by Fram. If it failed as you say, it goes back to Honda. Honda like most car makers, tests and certifies all the parts that go in, and many are made by vendors.
Purolator is at least two fixes away from a filter that works as intended. When they advise of and do the fixes, then they can work on catching the others. No word from them yet.

 

[SatinSilver]

This was just posted today, 10k on an MC cartridge filter:

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3829998/motorcraft_cartridge_filter_10

Looks much better.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: goodtimes

It failed in what way, looks when cut open? Any other way it failed? It is a Honda filter, not Fram, with their warranty of quality, made for them by Fram. If it failed as you say, it goes back to Honda.


He doesn't know what a real failure is.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: satinsilver
This was just posted today, 10k on an MC cartridge filter:

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3829998/motorcraft_cartridge_filter_10

Looks much better.


Put it in an engine that has some issues and it won't look so good. Almost any filter will look that good an engine that's in good condition and clean inside.

 

[Wildcard]

Originally Posted By: Danh
Originally Posted By: BikeWhisperer
Originally Posted By: MinamiKotaro
Looks a lot better than a regular extra guard.


They are built like a Tough Guard, except they are way less efficient. Honda and Toyota seem to be in the flow over filtration crowd and given all 10 cars in Consumer's Report top ten cars that will likely last 200k miles are either Honda or Toyota...there might be something to that!


The outcomes do seem to be fine, but I wonder. Honda recommends changing the filter every other oil change, keeping it in service for up to 20,000 miles (or even more) or 2 years. Under these conditions, a low efficiency filter may be less-likely to clog than others. Maybe this is the reason they follow the "flow" route.


Yeah i dunno msn this was about 7600 miles and one year, i cant imagine running it for another year or three times this mileage, that would be dicey imo.

 

[WankelRotorHead]

Originally Posted By: Danh
Originally Posted By: goodtimes
Someone finds one oil filter with 60% efficiency, publishes a graph 4 years ago, and for all time Honda chooses flow over efficiency. They even design their intervals based on the high flow. No one even knows if the one filter was an anomaly, or if the filter is actually 60% and also flows poorly. No one knows, except those at Honda making the decision, whether they choose flow over filtration or not.


Well, nature (and BITOG) abhors a vacuum...


And yet no one has provided any proof to the contrary, so the test available is the assumption we make until evidence to contrary. There are no extraordinary claims here, just based on a test done on a Honda A02 filter. It's not about living in a vacuum either, again provide evidence to the contrary and I'm all ears. Living in a vacuum would indicate that there is information available that is being ignored...again if that is the case please provide it. Otherwise my statement is backed by evidence and yours is not backed by anything.

 

[goodtimes]

One test on one filter is not proof of much, and definitely not enough info to further say "Honda prefers flow over filtration." The proof lies with the person claiming and it's very weak. Others are not claiming anything, they have nothing to prove. I never claimed Honda filters have high or low efficiency. I claim the graph is but one test on one sample and that's weak. Especially from a competitor who also sells oil filters to make money.
No one knows what Honda prefers except those at Honda making that decision. When they make a statement "we prefer flow over filtration", then we know. They probably won't be doing that.

 

[Sayjac]

Quote:
This is why the interchangeable 15400 PLM A01 with metal end caps is preferred by many. The A01 is made by Filtech, the A02 by Fram......

The A01 by Filtec is actually a no endcap type filter. But it's true it is preferred by many.

The A02 is a Fram made piece, to Honda specs. And it was noted by a Fram engineer that they are significantly less efficient than similar equivalent aftermarket filters including Fram. I believe Amsoil ISO results to be credible, or at the very least in the ball park, especially given the Fram information. Now whether it matters is a separate discussion.

I've used the A02 because that's what Honda dealers install with oil changes I've gotten on promo. That said, I have a preference for a different type of construction than the fiber type and with many aftermarket alternatives at equivalent cost, better efficiency and no downside, the A02 not one I'd choose for diy. Just me.

This A02 looks ok.

 

[David1]

That filter is not made to go that far... I think its a 7000 mile filter MAX...

however it dont look that great.

 

[Danh]

Originally Posted By: BikeWhisperer
Originally Posted By: Danh
Originally Posted By: goodtimes
Someone finds one oil filter with 60% efficiency, publishes a graph 4 years ago, and for all time Honda chooses flow over efficiency. They even design their intervals based on the high flow. No one even knows if the one filter was an anomaly, or if the filter is actually 60% and also flows poorly. No one knows, except those at Honda making the decision, whether they choose flow over filtration or not.


Well, nature (and BITOG) abhors a vacuum...


And yet no one has provided any proof to the contrary, so the test available is the assumption we make until evidence to contrary. There are no extraordinary claims here, just based on a test done on a Honda A02 filter. It's not about living in a vacuum either, again provide evidence to the contrary and I'm all ears. Living in a vacuum would indicate that there is information available that is being ignored...again if that is the case please provide it. Otherwise my statement is backed by evidence and yours is not backed by anything.


Geez Louise. I was trying to point out two things: 1) if Honda filters were low-efficiency maybe the extended use period Honda recommends could be the reason and 2) at BITOG, without a lot of firm evidence to go on, we'll grasp at anything. Right now, the only evidence we have is the test to which you referred. Maybe it's not correct, but it's evidence nonetheless. So if you can't point to anything contradictory the score is low efficiency 1 - high efficiency 0.

And I really don't have a dog in this efficiency fight, but my feelings were hurt...