HOA Against Classic Truck owner

[ragtoplvr]

I looked at a house with a comprehensive HOA. Among the standard restrictions, you could not have vegetable gardens, solar powered clothes driers (AKA clothes line) no solar cells facing the street, no AC condenser units facing the street, grass had to be mowed no more than 2 inches high and could be no longer than 4 inches before mowed, and weeds controlled (with toxic sprays).

I walked fast.

Rod

 

[JHZR2]

Originally Posted by Virtus_Probi
Originally Posted by mk378
If it's truly a classic, wouldn't he want to protect it from weather in the garage?
Some places don't allow any pickup truck with an open bed to be kept outside. That's a lot less ambiguous than this "body damage" thing.

This was the case where I grew up...late in his life, my father was really taken with the idea of buying a pickup just for fun and was even talking to former coworkers about a used one that his former workplace was going to sell.
However, his town didn't allow "work vehicles" to be parked in driveways on a daily basis and there was no way any reasonable pickup was going to fit in his tiny garage.
Dad even thought about having part of his fence torn down and a concrete pad poured in his backyard for parking the truck...in the end, he never did get a pickup.
Funny thing was that a neighbor parked a coffee service truck or van on the street nearby for years...don't know if that was OK or he was just ignoring the rules. I did notice back then that he moved that thing around on the street constantly, even when he wasn't working, so maybe that was just so he could say it wasn't being left in one spot for long?


Wow, hadn't heard that one about pickups. Considering that a pickup costs as much as a Mercedes, this seems kind of stupid. Actual work trucks and vans are another story, but even that's a bit much of it's just one in a driveway.

 

[spasm3]

It looks like the whole argument will come down in court as to whether the vehicle has body damage or not, as worded in the HOA contract.

I would argue it has paint wear and not body damage as there are no perforated or dented body panels.

 

[aquariuscsm]

If someone had a problem with my work truck,they have two choices. 1,to shove it. 2,they pay my bills and mortgage and I'll "hide" my work truck.

Hoa's are repulsive and for the life of me I can't fathom why anyone would voluntarily let themselves be the victim of one. We have city codes here to take care of things. Heck,I got a note from the city one time because I left my trashcan out on the curb one extra day after pickup. And I got a note on my door one time because my grass had gotten high.

Smh.

 

[wings&wheels]

Originally Posted by Rmay635703
Originally Posted by wings&wheels


Or, are folks who want to live in a nice neighborhood, that will hopefully preserve home values by staying nice and well maintained....


True Home values only match income and inflation

Home values VRS "How nice" things are
become meaningless when employment is high,
And equally meaningless when employment collapses

The real issue lies with banking and loans enabling sellers to overcharge and buyers to overpay, where I grew up housing has gained value EXTREMELY slowly and houses sell for the same price today that they did 20 years ago, which is how housing values should work matching income and inflation, 100 miles away where I live now little 100 year old dives with no yard or driveway are selling for $100000+, 3 years ago their sales value was about $20-$40k, 8 years before that they were $80k, 3 years before that they sold for about $25,000
30 minutes away I can buy a mansion of a farmstead with 2 acres, a gazebo and a shop is $165,000 in excellent shape, but the same money here buys me a very small 3 bedroom, 1 car garage and ubout a 1/10th acre in at best ship shod flipper "good" condition that lasts 3 years before the interior cracks show.


The only thing that has changed over the years is the transient employment levels. Whereas my home town has steady but not well paying jobs.

The regulated neighborhood maintaining home values idea is a myth, how "nice" things are move with employment and it's not our place to judge others property.


The real value of these local homes has always probably been $0-$40,000 and hasn't changed but because of loans and predatory practices you get a completely unnecessary boom bust cycle aggrevated even more by [censored] poor community management practices trying to demolish the poor people's homes (during a lack of housing crisis) creating vacant lots that can't be rebuilt due to ever changing laws on lot and house sizes.
The town also favors tax sales to the 2 slum lords who own about 1/3 of houses jacking up rent while creating more blight.

One would think keeping the poor people as home owners paying taxes would be better than 2 slum lords that can negotiate property taxes. Further allowing people to legally rebuild vacant city lots without blowing a cool million would help things too.

The HOA neighborhood nearby makes me think of [censored], no cars driving no people outside, no kids, no lawns getting mowed, no lights on in houses, no flowers, no bushes, every house the same color in 1 of 4 orientations, silent, no birds, no dogs.


Depends on the local economy and housing markets. Having lived in the Boston suburbs and in Palo Alto, CA, the heart of Silicon Valley, some neighborhood's are very minimally affected by the economy as there are places where demand stresses housing stock supply even in downturns, now throw in a top notch 'nationally ranked' school system...….

"The regulated neighborhood maintaining home values idea is a myth, how "nice" things are move with employment and it's not our place to judge others property." Maybe where you are looking, but it certainly has an impact here, and a significant one. A ~4000+ sqft in one of the 'executive' HoA neighborhoods here trades at a premium vs. one not, all else being somewhat equal, but r/e values close in to Boston are silly...not Silicon Valley silly, but close.

 

[SwampSurvivor]

I know right where my property line is. The markers are still in the ground. I neither know nor care what happens outside of my little piece of swamp.

 

[dave1251]

Originally Posted by wings&wheels
[quote=dave1251
The vast majority of people who support HOA bylaws are shelf rightous hats who have so much self worth they are worried about matters which are not their business

Or, are folks who want to live in a nice neighborhood, that will hopefully preserve home values by staying nice and well maintained..... It is in everyone's interest to maintain the neighborhood to an acceptable standard. I do find HoA's cumbersome (I made sure I could add a barn to our property...they got the say on design), but I have limited sympathy for folks who buy in then chafe at the regs...



If you have to worry about your neighbor's business and use the excuse my property value well something in your life's decisions is not right.

 

[dlundblad]

Zero interest in watching the video judging by the first page of posts. All very good points.

Read the HOA rules before buying property within said HOA. Simple as that.

My .02. Many strict HOA's do not allow cars parked outside. If they do, they most likely have to be driven. (Ie I cant have 4 project Jeep Cherokees in my driveway.) On the flip side, I know a guy who lives in a nice housing addition with 3 Datsun 240z's and a Datsun Roadster. 2 of the 3 Z's have loud exhausts. All garage kept and zero issues.

 

[wings&wheels]

Originally Posted by dave1251
Originally Posted by wings&wheels

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[GumbyJarvis]

Alright so, I understand when people (especially Veterans) complain/fight the HOA about American flags, as you know, this is America and yeah as a veteran the flag means alot (I know, I am one).

But what does him being a combat Marine Veteran have to do with owning a truck?

You can justify "I swore an oath to defend this nation/that flag"

I dont see the correlation when it comes to a Ford F250 though? Nobody joins the military to own an F250 rustbucket in a HOA.

I feel like this is one of those cases of "Thank me for my service." Or the news was using it to appeal to the emotions of others?

Anyway, yeah, HOAs are a nogo for me. My neighborhood annually has a gathering go see who's doing neighborhood watch. Guess who doesnt show up? This guy.

Actually I dont think anyone shows up. It's been the same guy walking around every night wearing... pepperspray, sketchers or jungle boots (depending on the "conditions"), a motorcycle helmet, dickies blue mechanic coveralls, and a mag lite.

Hes a little crazy, doesn't own a motorcycle, but from what I gather, hes been the man of the streets for 15+ years. Hes also my neighbor. Always wants to know why I'm doing an oil change at 1am. Well, when you work 60+ hours a week, usually until midnight, you gotta do what you gotta do.

 

[Aredeeem]

The biggest problem with hoa's Is very simple. If you don't want to adhere to to the rules and regulations than DONT buy into one. I live in one. I don't want to live across the street from someone's opinion of of a pos car with patina. I don't want to live across the street from from someone flying flags from a non permitted flag pole. I don't want to see a plethora of spinning lawn ornaments from the dollar store enhanced with multiple urns of artificial flowers. I read the rules, I abide by them, I bought into my community because of them. Who speaks for me?

 

[Dave9]

HOA rules aren't all bad, they can keep a neighborhood from going to pot, but do carefully read and understand them, and move on if they're unacceptable. HOA fees on the other hand, I don't want money coming out of my wallet for their fancy smantzy flower gardens, etc. If I want flower I'll plant my own.

Classic truck (in fair condition) ban would be unacceptable to me, but if it's always got flat tires or up on blocks, or a non-running rustbucket just stored outside, I don't want that ghetto looking trash reducing my property value... same thing for using your lawn/porch/driveway/etc for storing other junk. However if the non-running rustbucket is a project vehicle that you do work on (shorter term situation not several years lol), and it's got a car cover over it, that wouldn't bother me.

 

[GumbyJarvis]

Originally Posted by Aredeeem
The biggest problem with hoa's Is very simple. If you don't want to adhere to to the rules and regulations than DONT buy into one. I live in one. I don't want to live across the street from someone's opinion of of a pos car with patina. I don't want to live across the street from from someone flying flags from a non permitted flag pole. I don't want to see a plethora of spinning lawn ornaments from the dollar store enhanced with multiple urns of artificial flowers. I read the rules, I abide by them, I bought into my community because of them. Who speaks for me?



Glad it's working out for you.
I know plenty of people who enjoy their perfect utopias.
But if I'm paying for something, I'd just rather not have someone who isnt paying my bills telling me what to do with the things I'm paying bills on.

 

[Aredeeem]

I agree dave9. The key is to read the regulations carefully and then decide if you can abide by them. Look, I live in a 55 and over in New Jersey and I can tell you that the only way you can keep a neighborhood like mine looking remotely respectful is to tighten the reins. You have to remember that New Jersey's 55 and overs are densely populated. This is not wide open out here by any means. Without hoa rules my community would look like a disaster overnight.

 

[Aredeeem]

Gumby I agree with you too. This is not for everybody. This is my first hoa experience in 45 years. My point is if it's not to your liking than by all means don't consider it. My problem is with residents who buy in and then play the dumb card " I didn't know that". And then spend all their time bending and breaking the rules to their liking. And it's not a utopia. Still paying bills, retired but working part time. Navy vet, 6 years, 1969-1975. Always played by the rules, still am.

 

[skyactiv]

I know someone that owned a condo with very strict HOA rules. His neighbor was on the HOA board and had nothing better to do than harass him.

He got a warning for having plastic outdoor chairs in his three season room. No plastic chairs allowed. You had to really look to see them.

No working on your vehicles. He washed his car on his side of the driveway and water rolled down a portion of his neighbors connected driveway.
She was furious she had to drive her car on some wet pavement and he got fined $25.

He got tired of the crap and listed his condo with a realtor. The realtor put a sign in front of his condo and he was fined $25 for that.
You can only place one for sale sign and it has to be in a window.

He rented a moving truck when it sold, parked it overnight on the street and was fined $25 for that. No overnight parking on the street allowed.

 

[Mr Nice]

I know a lawyer that specializes in homeowners and condo association lawsuits.

It's an easy cash cow for them due to all the problems.

 

[csandste]

The only decent HOA board members IMO are roped into it. Those seeking power are not to be trusted.

My pushing eighty neighbor got on our board. My dog took a dump in my yard at 3 am. At 5:45 as the sun was coming up he was banging on my front door stating that pet waste must be picked up immediately no exceptions for the dead of night.

Remember seeing the op on local tv.

 

[GumbyJarvis]

Originally Posted by csandste
The only decent HOA board members IMO are roped into it. Those seeking power are not to be trusted.

My pushing eighty neighbor got on our board. My dog took a dump in my yard at 3 am. At 5:45 as the sun was coming up he was banging on my front door stating that pet waste must be picked up immediately no exceptions for the dead of night.

Remember seeing the op on local tv.


That's when you save it, put it in his yard the next night, then bang on his door at 3am.

 

[Aredeeem]

Sky, I know what you say is true. But I live in New Jersey. We are on top of one another. To finally have, after 45 years of private ownership, a sheriff in town to regulate behavior is surprisingly refreshing. Like I said, if the shoe doesn't fit, don't buy it!