Help me defend Pennzoil?

[bob555]

My roommate's dad frimly believe the old urban myth about FRAM+Valvoline=good, Pennzoil=sludge. He has enough of a mechanical and science backround that he's willing to listen and learn, so I want to at least try to convince him that oil and filters have changed in the last 40 years.

A. I know good information from greaseistheword's study and the oil filter forum to debunk the FRAM myth. However, any good journal or academic articles prooving that high flow is good in a filter would be nice.

B. I can't find a single VOA of Conventional Valvoline to compare to other oils? Please post a link if you have one!

C. Does anyone have a link that shows tha pennzoil changed their formulation from a (possibly) bad Group I formulation to the current Group II formulation? I assume it happened in the early 1990's?

 

[Al]

The bottom line is that there are very little differences in the performances of Dino Oils from one brand to another. Some oils use a higher quality base and a lesser additive package. Sone use a more robust add pack and a lesser base. But all oils are required to met the latest specs GF-4 and API SM. Pennzoil does as good a job on Used Oil analysis as any oil going.

The other thing is that I used Pennzoil in my 69 Camaro almost exclusively since 1969. When I pulled the valve covers at 60 or 70K to adjust a tapping hydraulic tappet, I found the area under the valve covers to be extremely clean.

 

[Gary Mintz]

I can't believe I'm about to do this.

Pennzoil data sheets

Also I searched Pennzoil website for formulation change and came up with 10 pages of stuff didn't see anything that would seem to help you out in this.

Valvoline data sheets

Fram sucks

 

[labman]

Do you have a car you have been running Pennzoil for a long time? Challenge him to watch you pull a valve cover.

 

[dkryan]

Bob555 ........

With all due respect, why bother?

 

[Pablo]

Just tell him to buy a PC, get online and find this site.........

 

[dave1251]

bob dont worry. If he has a good thing going do ruin it he will blame you for it. I dont use vavoline and wont. But doing so wont hurt anything its a fine product. . Ignorance is bless.

 

[mr_happy27]

Bob was just saying that pennzoil may have been bad back in the day. It is good now and so is valvoline. So does anybody have any real proof? or who cares, just get any good SM rated stuff and you'll be fine. Just stay away from fram's cardboard filter ends.

 

[Al]

Quote by Dkryan:
Bob555 ........
With all due respect, why bother?

[...Quoted for Truth]
Completely agree.

 

[Jimbo]

While this is not "proof", only anectdotal, Pennzoil has outperformed Valvoline for a very long time. An aircooled VW is much harder on oil than the typical American V-8, two and a half quart sump, no filter, poor breather design and extremely high temperatures. I sludged up a 1967 VW on Valvoline Super HPO 30 and Pennzoil 30 cleaned it up. Since the valve covers have to come off frequently to adjust the tappets, it is easy to see. I later switched the car to Castrol XL 20W-40 and upon teardown, there were strange deposits, not traditional sludge.

 

[Cutehumor]

some myths are hard to kill off. deathcool is too

 

[sgtgeek]

Tell him you know a guy that uses HDEO diesel oils in his LS1 gasoline engine and watch the reaction....

 

[Ray H]

Why even argue with the guy? Only shows your insecurities, not his.

 

[Mr Nice]

Sgtgeek,

You should know better that to use a HDEO in a 600 HP LS1.

Pennzoil is a great dino oil.

 

[sgtgeek]

I know I'm brain damaged
I will immediately change to a boutique or cult synthetic with a lambs wool filter and only change oil when Haley's Comet flys by.

 

[KJA426]

Pennzoil has proven itself over and over to be a good product and it is the number one selling brand of oil in the U.S.

 

[darkdan]

http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=008879#000012

http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=008844#000000

Search is wonderful.

 

[greg_J35]

The most important things to remember are:
(1)Stay with bitog
(2)Stay away from the fram filters
(3)Use the reccomended weight oil
(4)Follow the reccomended change intervals for your driving habits

 

[bob555]

First off, thanks for the links, I DID use search, but frankly find the BITOG search feature a bit lacking.

It isn't my argument anyway, I've never even met the man that holds the myths in question, and if it was entirely up to me, I would probably let him wallow in his ignorance. I'm merely getting technical data for a friend, and, as I've been repeatedly assured, the man has enough of an engineering backround to listen if there is some actual data to be had.

 

[dave1251]

bob555 have him search group II+ basestocks. To educate him on that and let him know that the only national brands that use it is pennzoil/chevron/havoline. Matter of fact you can get chevron on sale for .99 cents a quart at kragen/shucks/checkers until the 3rd of january.