Hey everyone so our natural gas company is as crooked as they come. Denying payments saying confirmation numbers don't exist ect. My bill for them was 70-90 a month. Only think on natural gas is the heater. Well the bill every month in the winter is 75-90 and the electric goes from 165 to 140 or so in the winter. My question is I think I can heat my 1200sf home with 4 radiator heaters would this be ok? I do realize there are legal deals with the gas company and I have rights I do know that but Right now we've been fighting with them and if I pay them a portion of what they say I owe they'll turn the heat back on but I really don't feel like I need to pay them and would rather stick it out hence why I'm trying to use the radiator space heaters. All input is appreciated thank you guys
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Depends on your house really, a new 1200 sqft one up here with not many windows would be fine with 20000btu (1500w equals roughly 5000btu). A drafty old one may need 3-4 times as much heat on a windy cold day.
How the wiring in your house? Panel capacity? 4 heaters is 60 amps, so a 100 amp panel won't have much left if your running your kitchen stove.
How the wiring in your house? Panel capacity? 4 heaters is 60 amps, so a 100 amp panel won't have much left if your running your kitchen stove.
I think heating with electric will cost a lot more than natural gas and you may not be able to get enough heat out of electric space heaters unless they are high wattage 220V ones.
Don't you have little kids living in this house?
Do what's right by them, man up, and fix your gas problem. Even if it's paying money you "don't owe" you'll make the $$$ back via the efficiency of gas over electric. And the money will straighten out eventually.
We get idiots up here every winter, too stubborn to pay the light bill, so they run gasoline generators, and kill innocent kids with carbon monoxide.
You aren't there yet, but you're heading down that road. Space heaters can burn younguns worse than forced hot air.
Do what's right by them, man up, and fix your gas problem. Even if it's paying money you "don't owe" you'll make the $$$ back via the efficiency of gas over electric. And the money will straighten out eventually.
We get idiots up here every winter, too stubborn to pay the light bill, so they run gasoline generators, and kill innocent kids with carbon monoxide.
You aren't there yet, but you're heading down that road. Space heaters can burn younguns worse than forced hot air.
If you're getting an honest gas bill I don't see how electric space heat would save you any money unless you don't heat a portion of the house. Gas fired hot water is probably the cheapest way to heat in those places where there is reasonably priced natural gas. You could probably convert what you have to oil (not a great idea) or propane but propane is expensive. The conversion, obviously, requires a big tank and a new or modified burner assembly.
Those portable electric radiators are meant to be used as supplemental heat. They will not last if used constantly. How did you pay the gas company and do you have some sort of proof, ie a check or confirmation email? Are you on a monthly budget plan to ease the pain of winter heating? If so if you have money left over from last year it should be applied to this years usage. If not then they will increase your monthly amount to make up for the shortfall. Be careful not to overload your electrical house circuit breaker with those portable electrical heaters.
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Electric radiators is a good way of burning down your home and paying an inordinate amount of money to heat a place. A close friend heated his 700SF condo with two electric radiators since his gas boiler quit and did not have the $7k on hand to replace boiler/water heater. He stated using 2 not 4 he was spending between $100-$160 more then gas to keep his place at 64F.
Make sure you use checks with account # related to bill in memo as you pay them. Very hard for them to dispute.
Your thinking may be your stumbling block. The gas company is not crooked but more likely has incompetencies potentially in the payment method you are using. Typically there is a state board where you can voice your dispute(have clear proof) that overseas the utilities.
How exactly are you paying them and do you include account # on check?
Make sure you use checks with account # related to bill in memo as you pay them. Very hard for them to dispute.
Your thinking may be your stumbling block. The gas company is not crooked but more likely has incompetencies potentially in the payment method you are using. Typically there is a state board where you can voice your dispute(have clear proof) that overseas the utilities.
How exactly are you paying them and do you include account # on check?
Originally Posted By: madRiver
Make sure you use checks with account # related to bill in memo as you pay them. Very hard for them to dispute.
Your thinking may be your stumbling block. The gas company is not crooked but more likely has incompetencies potentially in the payment method you choose. Typically there is a state board where you can voice your dispute(have clear proof) that overseas the utilities.
That's true, many states have their "Public Utilities Commission" provide a service to deal with bill complaints.
Make sure you use checks with account # related to bill in memo as you pay them. Very hard for them to dispute.
Your thinking may be your stumbling block. The gas company is not crooked but more likely has incompetencies potentially in the payment method you choose. Typically there is a state board where you can voice your dispute(have clear proof) that overseas the utilities.
That's true, many states have their "Public Utilities Commission" provide a service to deal with bill complaints.
Originally Posted By: ram_man
Hey everyone so our natural gas company is as crooked as they come. Only think on natural gas is the heater. Right now we've been fighting with them and if I pay them a portion of what they say I owe they'll turn the heat back on
If the only "think" on natural gas is the water heater, then why does turning the gas off also have your heat turned off? And how would using 4 space heaters give you hot water if your water heater is gas? Your story doesn't make any sense and quite frankly, sounds like you're trying to skew the truth.
This seems to be a common thread with everyone you deal with, from the Ford dealer to your employer and the utility company.
Natural gas companies are not "crooked". Go in, sit down with them, figure out what is wrong and fix it. It sounds as though you haven't paid your bill and you're trying to shift blame from yourself to the nameless, faceless utility.
Apparently you have enough money to purchase new cars on credit, so you should have enough money to pay your utility bills. And if you think your utility bills are high now, see what happens when you run those 4-1500 watt space heaters 24/7. Then we'll get to hear how crooked your electric utility is.
Hey everyone so our natural gas company is as crooked as they come. Only think on natural gas is the heater. Right now we've been fighting with them and if I pay them a portion of what they say I owe they'll turn the heat back on
If the only "think" on natural gas is the water heater, then why does turning the gas off also have your heat turned off? And how would using 4 space heaters give you hot water if your water heater is gas? Your story doesn't make any sense and quite frankly, sounds like you're trying to skew the truth.
This seems to be a common thread with everyone you deal with, from the Ford dealer to your employer and the utility company.
Natural gas companies are not "crooked". Go in, sit down with them, figure out what is wrong and fix it. It sounds as though you haven't paid your bill and you're trying to shift blame from yourself to the nameless, faceless utility.
Apparently you have enough money to purchase new cars on credit, so you should have enough money to pay your utility bills. And if you think your utility bills are high now, see what happens when you run those 4-1500 watt space heaters 24/7. Then we'll get to hear how crooked your electric utility is.
Are you paying your bill online or sending a check in? Seems like paying your bill online would avoid any kind of conflicts about whether it was paid or no.
Originally Posted By: HerrStig
Originally Posted By: madRiver
Make sure you use checks with account # related to bill in memo as you pay them. Very hard for them to dispute.
Your thinking may be your stumbling block. The gas company is not crooked but more likely has incompetencies potentially in the payment method you choose. Typically there is a state board where you can voice your dispute(have clear proof) that overseas the utilities.
That's true, many states have their "Public Utilities Commission" provide a service to deal with bill complaints.
Here in the People's Republic of NY, National Grid works closely with the PSC to raise our rates ridiculous amounts.
PSC allows it if they are bought off enough.
Originally Posted By: madRiver
Make sure you use checks with account # related to bill in memo as you pay them. Very hard for them to dispute.
Your thinking may be your stumbling block. The gas company is not crooked but more likely has incompetencies potentially in the payment method you choose. Typically there is a state board where you can voice your dispute(have clear proof) that overseas the utilities.
That's true, many states have their "Public Utilities Commission" provide a service to deal with bill complaints.
Here in the People's Republic of NY, National Grid works closely with the PSC to raise our rates ridiculous amounts.
PSC allows it if they are bought off enough.
Originally Posted By: Miller88
Originally Posted By: HerrStig
Originally Posted By: madRiver
Make sure you use checks with account # related to bill in memo as you pay them. Very hard for them to dispute.
Your thinking may be your stumbling block. The gas company is not crooked but more likely has incompetencies potentially in the payment method you choose. Typically there is a state board where you can voice your dispute(have clear proof) that overseas the utilities.
That's true, many states have their "Public Utilities Commission" provide a service to deal with bill complaints.
Here in the People's Republic of NY, National Grid works closely with the PSC to raise our rates ridiculous amounts.
PSC allows it if they are bought off enough.
That is the other part of role every state is balancing rate increases beyond customer dealings.
Originally Posted By: HerrStig
Originally Posted By: madRiver
Make sure you use checks with account # related to bill in memo as you pay them. Very hard for them to dispute.
Your thinking may be your stumbling block. The gas company is not crooked but more likely has incompetencies potentially in the payment method you choose. Typically there is a state board where you can voice your dispute(have clear proof) that overseas the utilities.
That's true, many states have their "Public Utilities Commission" provide a service to deal with bill complaints.
Here in the People's Republic of NY, National Grid works closely with the PSC to raise our rates ridiculous amounts.
PSC allows it if they are bought off enough.
That is the other part of role every state is balancing rate increases beyond customer dealings.
I'm a little confused. Are we talking here about a gas water heater or a gas furnace?
Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
And if you think your utility bills are high now, see what happens when you run those 4-1500 watt space heaters 24/7. Then we'll get to hear how crooked your electric utility is.
100% spot on!
Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
And if you think your utility bills are high now, see what happens when you run those 4-1500 watt space heaters 24/7. Then we'll get to hear how crooked your electric utility is.
100% spot on!
Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
Originally Posted By: ram_man
Hey everyone so our natural gas company is as crooked as they come. Only think on natural gas is the heater. Right now we've been fighting with them and if I pay them a portion of what they say I owe they'll turn the heat back on
If the only "think" on natural gas is the water heater, then why does turning the gas off also have your heat turned off? And how would using 4 space heaters give you hot water if your water heater is gas? Your story doesn't make any sense and quite frankly, sounds like you're trying to skew the truth.
This seems to be a common thread with everyone you deal with, from the Ford dealer to your employer and the utility company.
Natural gas companies are not "crooked". Go in, sit down with them, figure out what is wrong and fix it. It sounds as though you haven't paid your bill and you're trying to shift blame from yourself to the nameless, faceless utility.
Apparently you have enough money to purchase new cars on credit, so you should have enough money to pay your utility bills. And if you think your utility bills are high now, see what happens when you run those 4-1500 watt space heaters 24/7. Then we'll get to hear how crooked your electric utility is.
National grid triples my rates during the colder months. I have an apartment that is heated with electricity. In the summer months, my delivery fee is about the same as my parents. Dec-March, it's triple what my parents' is and I pay accordingly.
They have a few space heaters going around the clock, often use thrice the electricity that I do and their bill is still significantly less than mine.
Of course, my solution is to just heat to 50. Seems to work well enough.
Originally Posted By: ram_man
Hey everyone so our natural gas company is as crooked as they come. Only think on natural gas is the heater. Right now we've been fighting with them and if I pay them a portion of what they say I owe they'll turn the heat back on
If the only "think" on natural gas is the water heater, then why does turning the gas off also have your heat turned off? And how would using 4 space heaters give you hot water if your water heater is gas? Your story doesn't make any sense and quite frankly, sounds like you're trying to skew the truth.
This seems to be a common thread with everyone you deal with, from the Ford dealer to your employer and the utility company.
Natural gas companies are not "crooked". Go in, sit down with them, figure out what is wrong and fix it. It sounds as though you haven't paid your bill and you're trying to shift blame from yourself to the nameless, faceless utility.
Apparently you have enough money to purchase new cars on credit, so you should have enough money to pay your utility bills. And if you think your utility bills are high now, see what happens when you run those 4-1500 watt space heaters 24/7. Then we'll get to hear how crooked your electric utility is.
National grid triples my rates during the colder months. I have an apartment that is heated with electricity. In the summer months, my delivery fee is about the same as my parents. Dec-March, it's triple what my parents' is and I pay accordingly.
They have a few space heaters going around the clock, often use thrice the electricity that I do and their bill is still significantly less than mine.
Of course, my solution is to just heat to 50. Seems to work well enough.
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Your electric bill will be pretty crazy. Plus you won't be able to heat water, ice cold showers won't be fun for you or the kids.
They won't keep it warm enough either, they won't heat the home, just the 6-8 feet around them.
My grandmother is always cold, and has one of these electric radiator heaters in her bedroom to supplement the house heater.
They won't keep it warm enough either, they won't heat the home, just the 6-8 feet around them.
My grandmother is always cold, and has one of these electric radiator heaters in her bedroom to supplement the house heater.
Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
Originally Posted By: ram_man
Hey everyone so our natural gas company is as crooked as they come. Only think on natural gas is the heater. Right now we've been fighting with them and if I pay them a portion of what they say I owe they'll turn the heat back on
If the only "think" on natural gas is the water heater, then why does turning the gas off also have your heat turned off? And how would using 4 space heaters give you hot water if your water heater is gas? Your story doesn't make any sense and quite frankly, sounds like you're trying to skew the truth.
This seems to be a common thread with everyone you deal with, from the Ford dealer to your employer and the utility company.
Natural gas companies are not "crooked". Go in, sit down with them, figure out what is wrong and fix it. It sounds as though you haven't paid your bill and you're trying to shift blame from yourself to the nameless, faceless utility.
Apparently you have enough money to purchase new cars on credit, so you should have enough money to pay your utility bills. And if you think your utility bills are high now, see what happens when you run those 4-1500 watt space heaters 24/7. Then we'll get to hear how crooked your electric utility is.
I'm with Pop. Drama follows you around likea dog your shadow.
How difficult is it to pay a utility company correctly?
Got a new car, but can't afford to pay my gas bill. Didn't like that car, got a newer car, but can't afford to pay my gas bill.
Why not build an igloo, skin some seals, and not pay for gas or electricity all winter? That'll show them!
Originally Posted By: ram_man
Hey everyone so our natural gas company is as crooked as they come. Only think on natural gas is the heater. Right now we've been fighting with them and if I pay them a portion of what they say I owe they'll turn the heat back on
If the only "think" on natural gas is the water heater, then why does turning the gas off also have your heat turned off? And how would using 4 space heaters give you hot water if your water heater is gas? Your story doesn't make any sense and quite frankly, sounds like you're trying to skew the truth.
This seems to be a common thread with everyone you deal with, from the Ford dealer to your employer and the utility company.
Natural gas companies are not "crooked". Go in, sit down with them, figure out what is wrong and fix it. It sounds as though you haven't paid your bill and you're trying to shift blame from yourself to the nameless, faceless utility.
Apparently you have enough money to purchase new cars on credit, so you should have enough money to pay your utility bills. And if you think your utility bills are high now, see what happens when you run those 4-1500 watt space heaters 24/7. Then we'll get to hear how crooked your electric utility is.
I'm with Pop. Drama follows you around like
How difficult is it to pay a utility company correctly?
Got a new car, but can't afford to pay my gas bill. Didn't like that car, got a newer car, but can't afford to pay my gas bill.
Why not build an igloo, skin some seals, and not pay for gas or electricity all winter? That'll show them!
I pay with a debit card over the phone . I have every statement and every confirmation number and they still dispute it.
My water heater is electric. THE ONLY THING THATS GAS IS THE HEAT IN THE HOUSE. Just want that to be clear. My house is very well insulated.
I am working with them trying to get it fixed but I am not paying money I'll never get back that I don't owe. I even have the last bill from them that says a zero balance. They do this to a lot of folks not just me.
My water heater is electric. THE ONLY THING THATS GAS IS THE HEAT IN THE HOUSE. Just want that to be clear. My house is very well insulated.
I am working with them trying to get it fixed but I am not paying money I'll never get back that I don't owe. I even have the last bill from them that says a zero balance. They do this to a lot of folks not just me.
I'm in Texas in a 1200 sq ft home built in 1978 and Gas is cheaper than electric.
I have several knee hight oil filled electric radiator style space heaters that I used my first year in this house.
Back in the day I was used to cheap apartments and their electric only heating. I'd heat only the room that I was in, and keep the rest of the apartment as cold as I could stand it, but still above freezing.
That changed when I got married. So I bought more space heaters.
However, after that first winter in this house I learned.
Then I learned some more once my wife and I got pregnant and had a kiddo.
Gas, even though corrupt and run by Government lackys, is still cheaper than electric.
+1 on learning how to read a meter
+1000 on learning how to budget
I have several knee hight oil filled electric radiator style space heaters that I used my first year in this house.
Back in the day I was used to cheap apartments and their electric only heating. I'd heat only the room that I was in, and keep the rest of the apartment as cold as I could stand it, but still above freezing.
That changed when I got married. So I bought more space heaters.
However, after that first winter in this house I learned.
Then I learned some more once my wife and I got pregnant and had a kiddo.
Gas, even though corrupt and run by Government lackys, is still cheaper than electric.
+1 on learning how to read a meter
+1000 on learning how to budget
Originally Posted By: Miller88
Originally Posted By: HerrStig
Originally Posted By: madRiver
Make sure you use checks with account # related to bill in memo as you pay them. Very hard for them to dispute.
Your thinking may be your stumbling block. The gas company is not crooked but more likely has incompetencies potentially in the payment method you choose. Typically there is a state board where you can voice your dispute(have clear proof) that overseas the utilities.
That's true, many states have their "Public Utilities Commission" provide a service to deal with bill complaints.
Here in the People's Republic of NY, National Grid works closely with the PSC to raise our rates ridiculous amounts.
PSC allows it if they are bought off enough.
Who is on the PUC board? Typically while voters watch sports on TV all day instead of paying attention to such things a bunch of of axe grinders get appointed to the PUC and the "Grid" is really good at making money on the "environmental programs" the PUC axe grinders go for. Just look at the part of your bill where all the extra charges are detailed...or, watch football instead.
Originally Posted By: HerrStig
Originally Posted By: madRiver
Make sure you use checks with account # related to bill in memo as you pay them. Very hard for them to dispute.
Your thinking may be your stumbling block. The gas company is not crooked but more likely has incompetencies potentially in the payment method you choose. Typically there is a state board where you can voice your dispute(have clear proof) that overseas the utilities.
That's true, many states have their "Public Utilities Commission" provide a service to deal with bill complaints.
Here in the People's Republic of NY, National Grid works closely with the PSC to raise our rates ridiculous amounts.
PSC allows it if they are bought off enough.
Who is on the PUC board? Typically while voters watch sports on TV all day instead of paying attention to such things a bunch of of axe grinders get appointed to the PUC and the "Grid" is really good at making money on the "environmental programs" the PUC axe grinders go for. Just look at the part of your bill where all the extra charges are detailed...or, watch football instead.
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