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Originally Posted By: Gary Allan

TOO BAD ..how's it feel to want??


That statement speaks volumes. It pretty much sums you up.
 
My former boss' wife is a physician.

She was running from govt. subsidized health care 10 years ago.

The payment didn't cover the paperwork costs.

He, an engineer, did her books. They were forced to limit medicaid/medicare patients otherwise her practice would've failed financially.

This isn't second hand information derived from some reporter's print.

It came directly from him.
 
Originally Posted By: digitalSniperX1
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan

TOO BAD ..how's it feel to want??


That statement speaks volumes. It pretty much sums you up.


How much sympathy do you have for the rabble? None I suspect. If they were worth more, they'd earn more, right?

Well, entitlement is a sickness of both ends of the spectrum. The medical sector has been a cash cow for way too long. There is no nobility or gentility to it. It's pure money.

I think we can dispense with the delusions of humanity. It's like asking me to be an advocate for some CEO getting his mega million dollar bonus while the nation is in economic collapse. I can really identify with his suffering under the crippling unfairness of his station.
 
true medicare does not pay enough, but that is for OFFICE VISITS.

Procedures are money maker, the whole billing side of healthcare is scam, that would make barney mad-off look like the pope.

Just opened a clinic for a grouped of ENT specialist, $5million price tag, if it did not pay enough, guess how they are financing the $5 mil.

nothing wrong with medicare,
complaining about medicare not paying enough is like you buying a bently (sorry Dr Haas) and buying a house in La Joya, CA on your fresh graduate from say engineering salary and then complaining to your boss that you are paying enough.

what amazes me is that all the politicians and our friends in the big insurance firms are debating and counter debating like this is a new thing, like cloning a humanbeing or something.
look around, err I mean outside our border, many nations around the world have "figured" it out and have been so since even before my birth.

no I am not talking about some backward 3rd world asian country, look at europe!

with our current system, grandma without any insurance has NO dighnity when she as to walk into a healthcare providers office.
that is a darn shame. now put yourself in those shoes...

living in michigan and working at a big hospital, I see my neighbors, friends without any coverage.
then I see this healthcare system, no different than the big 3 automaker in the wastage, overpricing, lack of quality, no competition and worst the attitude of entitlement.
$400k is the salary of good transplant surgeon, for some that is not enough.
to quote one family practice resident who was about to graduate on my question, dr lalala what are your plans after you graduate?
his response: I am going back to Indianapolis and going to print money. and he could not stop laughing. ;-)

now I am off to bill the hospital for my work!
 
By saying they will now begin to rein in their costs, they are admitting that it was not a competitive market in the past, and prices were artificially kept high.
 
Originally Posted By: Pablo
I'm absolutely sure the government will take care of health care in the USA.

Oh and Gary, your envy is showing. Tuck it in. Revenge is lazy sorrow.


Envy? Nope. If I want medical care, I've go NO CHOICE but to pay that collective piper. It's great to have a monopoly when you're on the charging end of things. Am I supposed to lose sleep or feel pity for someone who will take a few more years to be a millionaire? Why?

There are millions of people what wish they only had my problems.

A little sweat(ing) never hurt anyone, wouldn't you agree?
 
Originally Posted By: stockrex
true medicare does not pay enough, but that is for OFFICE VISITS.


Since she's (or perhaps was) in a lowly general practice...I suppose it's predetermined that she is to simply donate her time as charity and leave the real medicine to the heel bone spur specialists, lol.

Oh, and without exception those few NHS pro's I know universally claim it sucks and sucks badly.

They openly admit our standards are much higher.

And Grandma's over 65 in the Netherlands will find their dignity in the form of the euthanizer's needle.

Some system to aspire to.

It's La Jolla by the way. Although they call it La Joya in Kentucky. Have your pick.
 
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
Originally Posted By: Pablo
I'm absolutely sure the government will take care of health care in the USA.

Oh and Gary, your envy is showing. Tuck it in. Revenge is lazy sorrow.


Envy? Nope. If I want medical care, I've go NO CHOICE but to pay that collective piper. It's great to have a monopoly when you're on the charging end of things. Am I supposed to lose sleep or feel pity for someone who will take a few more years to be a millionaire? Why?

There are millions of people what wish they only had my problems.

A little sweat(ing) never hurt anyone, wouldn't you agree?


I want Amsoil. Do your duty and send me some, without charge and without delay. Do it now.

And I'll be needing it Wednesday so ship it overnight.
 
Originally Posted By: Tempest
Doctors are running, not walking, away from Medicare. The pay is very poor and often doesn't cover their cost. I think it's funny the idea that doctors are getting rich from it.


When you have no alternative, you take everything.

My doctor friend loss lots of clients that got laid off and loss their health insurance, or simply not see a doctor when they can take a couple non-prescription pills instead. He is now accepting more medicare patients instead of having idle office.

My chiropractor is now advertising "pregnancy massage", and claims that most health insurance covers that. Tell me what's wrong about this adding to the overall health care cost.
 
In this town, we've only had doctors that refuse to bulk bill.

Doctors were petitioning the Govt to reform liability insurance, as it was "adding to costs"...Govt legislated that liability only commenced when there is a permanent 15% disability incurred, and the injured party gets costs only, no damages, no pain and suffering.

The woman who spent 4 years in agony because they left tools inside her got a free operation to take them out...then go jump.

Guess what that did for prices of the local GPs ?

They went up within a week of "victory".

$65 for a 5 minute consult (with a 3 week wait when you book) and you get $28 back at the medicare office.

A new business started in town...they are a private business, built new buildings for their practice, open from 8AM to 9PM 6 days a week, half a day Sunday, run a skin cancer clinic, and do rudimentary pathology in house.

And they bulk bill...present your medicare card, and it's free (albeit you pay for it in taxes)...they get 30 or $35 per 5 minutes.

That they can afford a brand new building on that "paltry" amount (according to the quacks who have fleeced us for decades) tells highly of what those quacks were doing the last few decades.
 
The system is broken. It needs to be fixed. For profit insurance companies and hospitals main job is to fatten the bottom line, not provide reasonably priced medical care. People are, literally, sick of it. Having to pay $1300 for an ingrown toenail is highway robbery. It isn't just doctors, either. The whole system needs to be "re-examined" so to speak.

The other thing that needs to change in the USA is that 90 year old people, god bless em', cannot expect to receive 10's of thousands of dollars in the latest treatments and meds just to extend their life another 6 months. I'm not saying throw em' out on the street, but the line has to be drawn somewhere. When the ONLY thing keeping your (very) elderly self alive is one radical procedure after another and lots of high dollar meds, sometimes you gotta just let nature take its course.
 
When my better half had knee surgery 8 or 9 years ago, it was at a private hospital.

Part of the bill was a $400 "slingshot rubber"...I could buy a surgical rubber slingshot rubber for $6 at the gun shop....what on Earth made nearly the same product 65 times as expensive, in a limited liability world ?

I could literally get more out of the slingshot runner manufacturer through the legal system than Tyco industries and their stuff.

Lucky the boss didn't need a single use $650 rotary burr.
 
Originally Posted By: AcuraTech
When the ONLY thing keeping your (very) elderly self alive is one radical procedure after another and lots of high dollar meds, sometimes you gotta just let nature take its course.


I was told by an elderly woman who's body was breaking down that I should make sure to never get that old.
 
one thing that is coming and help the little guys, no I don't the patient but the poor underpaid fine family practice physicians, is direct billing. no more cleaing houses etc.

most of the rules are to somehow limit the liability of the caregiver and not always good for patient.
look at adult daycares/homes, they require shoes on patient. end result, fungal infections...

I have find out how many grandmas are being given the neddle in europe.

the cost structure is the problem, this is not sustainable. $150k for liability ins for an obgyn in detroit. guess who is paying for it?

canadian docs come down to us to practice, ask urself why.
 
Originally Posted By: Tempest
Originally Posted By: eljefino
Medicare is 98% efficient.

Based on what?

Exactly
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I think this thread ties into the "happiest nations in the world" thread quite well. It's hard to be happy when you know you are a broken ankle away from bankruptcy... Let alone a semi serious illness...

I don't really know how much more money I'd have in my pocket if I lived in the US and had to pay health insurance or have my employer pay it. $200-300 a month? Seems pretty cheap considering my healthcare doesn't change wether I'm employed or not, or if I've had an illness before, I am still covered as I don't have to apply for health insurance again...

Of course the Canadian system isn't close to perfect, and there is lots of room for improvement. I had a friend go to Sweden and he was amazed how fast they saw him, ran a few tests, and had the results right away to decide what to do. Hopefully Obamas folks are looking to see what works in other countries.
Ian
 
In time, the pigs will be made to spend much less time at the trough.

Healthcare's shadow organised labor apparatus will be unraveled.

The UAW will look like saints in comparison.
 
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Originally Posted By: digitalSniperX1
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
Originally Posted By: Pablo
I'm absolutely sure the government will take care of health care in the USA.

Oh and Gary, your envy is showing. Tuck it in. Revenge is lazy sorrow.


Envy? Nope. If I want medical care, I've go NO CHOICE but to pay that collective piper. It's great to have a monopoly when you're on the charging end of things. Am I supposed to lose sleep or feel pity for someone who will take a few more years to be a millionaire? Why?

There are millions of people what wish they only had my problems.

A little sweat(ing) never hurt anyone, wouldn't you agree?


I want Amsoil. Do your duty and send me some, without charge and without delay. Do it now.

And I'll be needing it Wednesday so ship it overnight.


And if Amsoil was the only game in town, and no matter where you went ..Amsoil was all you could buy, with prices set by former Amsoil dealers on Amsoil price approval councils ...where ethical use of Amsoil was dictated by Amsoil dealers who set Amsoil usage code of ethics ..and the standards that Amsoil can be administered under ..the facilities where you can get Amsoil installed in your car ..all of them.

..and get to play Hollywood accounting with it all.

Do you have Amsoil insurance paid for you from your employer?

Normal Amsoil costs $10/quart

Charge $25/quart ..charge the government Amsoil customers $12/quart ..and and charge off the free oil changes @ $25 ..where we only get $10/quart.

Bill the suckers with insurance a fake $25 ..which we manage maintenance down to $15/quart

Average sale price of Amsoil: $12/quart for a $10/quart product

Repeat
 
Originally Posted By: IndyIan
Of course the Canadian system isn't close to perfect, and there is lots of room for improvement. I had a friend go to Sweden and he was amazed how fast they saw him, ran a few tests, and had the results right away to decide what to do. Hopefully Obamas folks are looking to see what works in other countries.
Ian


That scenerio varies from hospital to hospital. My hometown hospital (population ~650) has wonderful care and if you need emergency attention, you are seen immediately.
Unlike my uncle who waited for several hours in a hospital in L.A. because of severe chest pains and had a severe heart attack in the emergency waiting room.

They didn't tell me how good or bad it was, but I had a few co-workers go to England for some job-related training. This was probably in the early 90s, give or take a few years.
While they were there, they were involved in a serious car wreck. During recovery, they were put in a room with about 30 beds and one nurse. The knew how serious their condition was by how close they were to the nurse's station. As their condition improved, they kept getting moved further and further away from nurse until they were dismissed.
They didn't have any complaints, just that the way it was done was different.
 
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