Called their techline today and they said that their conventional oils will go to group I temporarily due to Katrina. Didn't specify time frame. They are normally a Group II+ according to the guy I spoke with and are still making the synthetic 5w-20. They also contain 400+ ppm of Moly. - This report brought to you by I need a life.
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I'm very glad that I have enough motor oil on hand to meet my needs for several years. However, I now will be maintaining my mother's new Sentra, so I guess I'd better stock up for her needs for a while.
I've decided to use Havoline 5w30 in her car.
I've decided to use Havoline 5w30 in her car.
Will there be an additional logo or marking on the quarts?
Not all of Chevron's base oils are from Richmond California. Just about all finished lubricant manufacturers (FYI not all oil brands manufacture themselves) trade base oil barrels, or buy base oil oil barrels, closer to the various ditribution points and physical blend and package plants. This simplifies logistics overall...
All their Group II and Group III comes out of Richmond. Chevron does not have any refineries that were in the path of Katrina or Rita. The closest would be their Pascagoula, Miss refinery, which doesn't produce base oils.
If you do a search of Chevron's press releases you won't find any that talk about base oil supply problems due to the hurricanes.
Bottom line: I think the tech person Buster talked to is FOS. Either that, or Chevron is going to take advantage of the relaxed API standards and sell oils made from Group I just because they can, not because they need to. If that turns out to be the case they won't ever get another dime of my money. And I'll take that case of Havoline I bought to go in my Chrysler and pour it in the recycle pit at Advance Auto.
..."Either that, or Chevron is going to take advantage of the relaxed API standards and sell oils made from Group I just because they can, not because they need to. If that turns out to be the case they won't ever get another dime of my money...." G-Man II
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Bottom line: I think the tech person Buster talked to is FOS.
Sometimes you call a tech line and they give you incorrect info, sometimes you get a knowledgeable person, other times you don't.
Sometimes you call a tech line and they give you incorrect info, sometimes you get a knowledgeable person, other times you don't.
"All their Group II and Group III comes out of Richmond"...uhhh I respectfully can say that is not true. Chevron trades/buys for some group II/II+/III.
Why would SOPUS(Equilon Refining) (Shell Oil Product US -- Formula Shell, Pennzoil, Quaker State, Wolfs Head, etc...brands) send base oil to California from Texas, when Chevron needs it there in Texas and has excess in Cali? Many group II refineries license the technology form Chevron...so the base oil is the same essentially.
As for some concern over formulations, I would let the UOA speak for itself. The only thing a brand has is the "promise" consistency of its performance in use and ongoing quality...I do not think any big company is going to lessen those standards. There is just too much to loose.
Why would SOPUS(Equilon Refining) (Shell Oil Product US -- Formula Shell, Pennzoil, Quaker State, Wolfs Head, etc...brands) send base oil to California from Texas, when Chevron needs it there in Texas and has excess in Cali? Many group II refineries license the technology form Chevron...so the base oil is the same essentially.
As for some concern over formulations, I would let the UOA speak for itself. The only thing a brand has is the "promise" consistency of its performance in use and ongoing quality...I do not think any big company is going to lessen those standards. There is just too much to loose.
This is correct Chevron blends or did blend PCMO grease and other products in TX forget where but the refining is not the problem if they trade out for GPII. GPIII from whomever and can not get that product it would be easier for short term logistics to run a different base stock if API will grant a waver which they will. Most likley they have a large supply in house of GPI for industrail oils that they will switch to, or not.
bruce
Lube Report went into considerable detail two weeks ago that the API agreed to temporarily relax lube standards' compliance due to the difficulty procuring sufficient base oils and additive supplies. Even prior to Katrina and Rita, Chevron's Orinite division (additives) had already declared force majeur due to problems at its production facility. More have arisen from other additive suppliers since the two hurricanes in the gulf. Like it or not, we're being set up for a state of siege by Ma Nature, and it could be further complicated if Wilma takes an unexpected turn west once she enters the gulf. Throw perhaps the last of low priced, fully formulated oil away just to make a futile proxy "statement"? Right, great idea...
this may or may not be related, but ive gone to 3 autozones and a walmart looking for havoline 5-20 SM and all they have is SL. and the shelves look freshly stocked.
The title sez Havoline, and all the conversation is about Chevron. Where did I get derailed?
Regards, Gary in Sandy Eggo
Regards, Gary in Sandy Eggo
Havoline is a Chevron brand.
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