My father was a Lancaster pilot and did a raid on Hamburg. Never spoke about any of it and gone now. Sometimes wish he'd tell me about it particularly after I joined the RAAF. Sure would like to know how he won a DFC.
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Do you relly think Bush is not hated anywhere outside the USA? In Canada (which is not that different to the US) over 71% disapprove of Bush. It's strange how you say Clinton did nothing, yet he managed to end the crisis in the Balkans and keep the US economy booming for the longest time in history. You say he stood up to the UN, make it pretty hard to go back and beg them to save his sorry butt.
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Hate Bush? Why? Hate American politicians? Sure?? They're all corrupt ..in a "clean" way.
Like a third world immigrant said: In India ..it is much cheaper to live ..but our nation is full of official corruption. You have a very nice nation ...but it's very expensive. Why?
Because we have "legal" corruption.
Hate Bush? Why? Hate American politicians? Sure?? They're all corrupt ..in a "clean" way.
Like a third world immigrant said: In India ..it is much cheaper to live ..but our nation is full of official corruption. You have a very nice nation ...but it's very expensive. Why?
Because we have "legal" corruption.
Big dose of reality coming your way....guess what? Your country's disapproval of our president is irrelevant! Yes, you heard me! In fact, I think we should cut off all foriegn aid and military assistance to all these whining countries and give them something to really disaprove.
As far as the economy goes, smart people know it runs in cycles and Clinton was lucky to be in place for the up cycle and double lucky for the explosive dot com revolution that helped OVER drive the stock market to over valued highs. Also, it was all cycling down before he ever left office and the crash would have nailed any president that resided in office today.
As far as the UN goes, without the US, there is no UN. Don't believe me? See what happens if we ever told the UN to go "F" itself. See how the UN kisses our a$$ when we hold back the giant sum of operating money that makes it exist. Furthermore, when it comes to troops with the UN, we are the manpower. All you other countries supply enough manpower to barely beyond "a drop in a bucket."
How you like this batch of apples?
Hammer
P.S. My mother is Canadian too!
Re N Atlantic war on shipping and the U-boats. As has been ponted out, unlike the Hollywood remake of history, a British action captured the Enigma machine! This is a summary of the capture of Enigma: 1941 May 9th - Capture of "U.110" and the German Enigma - South of Iceland, "U.110" (Lt-Cdr Lemp of the "Athenia" sinking) attacks Liverpool out convoy OB318 protected by ships of Capt A. J. Baker-Creswell's escort group. Blown to the surface by depth charges from corvette "Aubretia" on the 9th, "U-110's" crew abandon ship, but she fails to go down. A boarding party from destroyer "Bulldog", led by Sub-Lt Balme, manages to get aboard. In a matter of hours they transfer to safety "U-110's" entire Enigma package - coding machine, code books, rotor settings and charts. The destroyer "Broadway" stands by during this hazardous operation. Two days later "U-110" sinks on tow to Iceland, knowledge of her capture having been withheld from the crew and Lt-Cdr Lemp dying at the time of the boarding. The priceless Enigma material represents one of the greatest intelligence coup ever and is a major naval victory in its own right.
"U-110's" capture is far and away the most successful of the attempts to capture Enigma codes. In the March 1941 raid on the Norwegian Lofoten Islands, spare coding rotors were found. Then two days before the "U-110" triumph, a cruiser force had tried to capture the weather trawler "Munchen" off Iceland. At the end of the coming June a similar operation is mounted against the "Lauenberg". In both cases useful papers are taken but the real breakthrough only comes with "U-110". Included with the material captured are all rotor settings until the end of June 1941. A number of codes are used with Enigma. The U-boat one is 'Hydra', also used by all ships in European waters. From the end of June, Bletchley Park is able to decipher 'Hydra' right through until the end of the war. Unfortunately the U-boats move off this version to the new 'Triton' in February 1942. The big ship 'Neptun' and Mediterranean 'Sud' and 'Medusa' codes are also soon broken."
Link: http://www.naval-history.net/
"U-110's" capture is far and away the most successful of the attempts to capture Enigma codes. In the March 1941 raid on the Norwegian Lofoten Islands, spare coding rotors were found. Then two days before the "U-110" triumph, a cruiser force had tried to capture the weather trawler "Munchen" off Iceland. At the end of the coming June a similar operation is mounted against the "Lauenberg". In both cases useful papers are taken but the real breakthrough only comes with "U-110". Included with the material captured are all rotor settings until the end of June 1941. A number of codes are used with Enigma. The U-boat one is 'Hydra', also used by all ships in European waters. From the end of June, Bletchley Park is able to decipher 'Hydra' right through until the end of the war. Unfortunately the U-boats move off this version to the new 'Triton' in February 1942. The big ship 'Neptun' and Mediterranean 'Sud' and 'Medusa' codes are also soon broken."
Link: http://www.naval-history.net/
Stalin signed his treaty with Hitler which started WWII in full knowledge that he possessed an overwhelming advantage in material. All during the 1920's and 1930's the Soviet Union through the use of foreign firms had created a massive arms industry to implement the communist doctrine of ruling the world. Stalin also knew, through the international communist party, that he had massive domestic influence in the West and indeed, had the FDR administration in his hip pocket.
Stalin was perfectly content to have the self destructive ex homosexual prostitute Hitler (who hated society and whose secret desire was to turn Europe into his funeral pyre) with his absurd Darwinist anti-Semitism, as the leader of his principal enemy, a country which had defeated Russia in WWI despite having to fight both England and France at the same time.
Stalin's plan for Europe was laid bare with his butchering of the Polish officer corps at among other places, Katyn Woods.
Stalin's great mis-calculation was in failing to appreciate the depth of hatred that the Russian people felt toward his regime (composed mainly of foreign minorities). As a result, when the Germans mounted their pre-emptive strike, the Russians surrendered in droves rather than fight for the tyrant. Indeed, with the Russian General Vlasov as their leader, nearly 1,000,000 Russians and other Soviet nationals were fighting against Stalin at the end of the war. History provides no other example of such a vast number of a people siding with a foreign invader.
As for the U.S., without Harry Hopkin's Lend Lease, Stalin would have lost as he himself admitted. Despite Stalingrad, and after the inconclusive battle of Kursk, the Germans had a sense that the Russians were finally beginning to feel the drain on their manpower. It was the mass of U.S. Lend Lease aid which tipped the scales (read Solzhenitsyn's "Prussian Nights).
As for the barbarity of the murderous Red horde upon its entrance to Europe, there is no parallel except for perhaps the Huns under Attila.
Stalin was perfectly content to have the self destructive ex homosexual prostitute Hitler (who hated society and whose secret desire was to turn Europe into his funeral pyre) with his absurd Darwinist anti-Semitism, as the leader of his principal enemy, a country which had defeated Russia in WWI despite having to fight both England and France at the same time.
Stalin's plan for Europe was laid bare with his butchering of the Polish officer corps at among other places, Katyn Woods.
Stalin's great mis-calculation was in failing to appreciate the depth of hatred that the Russian people felt toward his regime (composed mainly of foreign minorities). As a result, when the Germans mounted their pre-emptive strike, the Russians surrendered in droves rather than fight for the tyrant. Indeed, with the Russian General Vlasov as their leader, nearly 1,000,000 Russians and other Soviet nationals were fighting against Stalin at the end of the war. History provides no other example of such a vast number of a people siding with a foreign invader.
As for the U.S., without Harry Hopkin's Lend Lease, Stalin would have lost as he himself admitted. Despite Stalingrad, and after the inconclusive battle of Kursk, the Germans had a sense that the Russians were finally beginning to feel the drain on their manpower. It was the mass of U.S. Lend Lease aid which tipped the scales (read Solzhenitsyn's "Prussian Nights).
As for the barbarity of the murderous Red horde upon its entrance to Europe, there is no parallel except for perhaps the Huns under Attila.
Panther. The Tiger (at least the Tiger I) just had a really big gun and really thick armor - there was nothing particularly innovative about it. The Panther on the other hand, was a magnificant machine - Heavy armor w/ a good slope on all sides, a small, heavy sloped turret, and a gun that provided huge punch at a modest calibre.
I find it very interesting that you detest the liberal views at your university. I am also an university student, except I agree with my professors, the only people who really understand the issue. As for
Yes, that's the common sense view (one that DOES NOT require a college education) but after studying sociology, you might learn about the great disparities in our society. It is hard to get a job when you are confined to ghettos where there are no jobs, and if you find one, the pay is often so little, it is very discouraging as it keep you in poverty no matter how hard you try. Find a better job you say? Ok, but how do these poor people find and afford transportation to get to work b/c very little jobs are available in these neighborhoods? How about affording child care? Ever heard of red lining and racial discrimination? Umm, have you ever heard of capital flight? Do you know what these things do to poor people? Go pick up a text book. As for bad politicians, yes there are bad Democrats, but don't forget the worse Republicans. Have you forgotten Water Gate? How about McCain as one of the "Keating Five"? And as for
, sounds a lot like my governor, a republican. You've seen him on TV as Terminator. So Liberals are dumb when you have the Governator representing Republicans?
Sorry I strayed from the WWII discussion, but I thought the post was on current politics.
What wrong with going to college in California? The UC system is the best public university system in the nation. I agree with your first comment, works for any side of any argument, mine or yours.
Irrelevent? Maybe you've missed Bush begging the UN and other foreign countries to please save the US from the mighty Iraqi insurgents??
I wish the US would stop military aid to EVERYONE, that is part of the problem. Also US aid is often tied to all sorts of conditions. BTW you probably didn't realize that Japan is now the largest doner of aid worldwide. Bet you didn't know that did you?
Right!!! Clinton was lucky for 8 years in a row, Bush was unlucky from day one. If that is true, lets get another lucky President 'cos this one is CURSED!!!
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Big dose of reality coming your way....guess what? Your country's disapproval of our president is irrelevant! Yes, you heard me! In fact, I think we should cut off all foriegn aid and military assistance to all these whining countries and give them something to really disaprove.
As far as the economy goes, smart people know it runs in cycles and Clinton was lucky to be in place for the up cycle and double lucky for the explosive dot com revolution that helped OVER drive the stock market to over valued highs. Also, it was all cycling down before he ever left office and the crash would have nailed any president that resided in office today.
As far as the UN goes, without the US, there is no UN. Don't believe me? See what happens if we ever told the UN to go "F" itself. See how the UN kisses our a$$ when we hold back the giant sum of operating money that makes it exist. Furthermore, when it comes to troops with the UN, we are the manpower. All you other countries supply enough manpower to barely beyond "a drop in a bucket."
How you like this batch of apples?
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Actually, the US has a very shameful record with the UN. I think you made comments based on your own personal perception of the UN without knowing much about it or America's involvement. So here are some facts I learned under an expert (univeristy professor) on the topic: "The USA is consistently late on making payments to the UN. In 1996, the US owed close to 1.5 billion, half of the UN debt, and was threatened of losing its vote in the UN because of the payment delinquencies." Yes, what a world leader. So if anything, the US is a lag, and delinquent nation for the UN that owes too much, but does not pay.
As for
Lastly,
Don't let your patriotism take over and have you support irresponsible measures taken by our government. A true patriot loves his country and tries to make it better, not excuse it's mistakes.
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Big dose of reality coming your way....guess what? Your country's disapproval of our president is irrelevant! Yes, you heard me! In fact, I think we should cut off all foriegn aid and military assistance to all these whining countries and give them something to really disaprove.
As far as the economy goes, smart people know it runs in cycles and Clinton was lucky to be in place for the up cycle and double lucky for the explosive dot com revolution that helped OVER drive the stock market to over valued highs. Also, it was all cycling down before he ever left office and the crash would have nailed any president that resided in office today.
As far as the UN goes, without the US, there is no UN. Don't believe me? See what happens if we ever told the UN to go "F" itself. See how the UN kisses our a$$ when we hold back the giant sum of operating money that makes it exist. Furthermore, when it comes to troops with the UN, we are the manpower. All you other countries supply enough manpower to barely beyond "a drop in a bucket."
How you like this batch of apples?
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Actually, the US has a very shameful record with the UN. I think you made comments based on your own personal perception of the UN without knowing much about it or America's involvement. So here are some facts I learned under an expert (univeristy professor) on the topic: "The USA is consistently late on making payments to the UN. In 1996, the US owed close to 1.5 billion, half of the UN debt, and was threatened of losing its vote in the UN because of the payment delinquencies." Yes, what a world leader. So if anything, the US is a lag, and delinquent nation for the UN that owes too much, but does not pay.
As for
Your "smart people know" supports the notions that it does not make a difference who is president in terms of the economy. Then let's elect a monkey, no a parrot. How about a horse? After all, it's the economic cycle, right? Very smart comment.
Lastly,
It is important, because if our ally countries are beginning to disapprove, then we lose global influence and persuation. Our standing with the UN does not help either. Don't forget many Americans are also beginning to disapprove of Mr. Bush. As for foriegn aid, our current administration is aiming to make financial cuts within America, so don't expect them to be too generous outside of it. After all, politicans are trying to cut welfare and social services at home, making our own disadvantaged countrymen worse off.
Don't let your patriotism take over and have you support irresponsible measures taken by our government. A true patriot loves his country and tries to make it better, not excuse it's mistakes.
Bush begging? Please...More like telling them how irrelevant they are unless they do the right thing. The USA can and will do the job with or without the UN and that is a fact jack!
Aid tied to conditions...YOU GOT THAT RIGHT! If we are gonna be handing money out, I expect the receiving nation to be on their knees and swallowing instead of spitting!
Clinton wasn't lucky for eight years. His first term started in a down cycle (forgot that didn't ya?). But after a while it cycled up and then the dotcom revolution kicked off. Finally in his last year, it was going down. What you fail to admit is that our economy is on an upswing again and the jobless rate was at 5.6% by the Dept. of labor statistics and guess what, that is just as low as Clinton had it. Don't hear the liberal press mentioning that do you. In fact, the liberal press likes to say how 3,000,000 jobs have been lost. Bzzzz wrong....last I heard, Job creation has actually about a million MORE jobs than when clinton was the president. Our president cursed?? Only if you believe the lies spewing from the liberal press. The fact is our economy is growing and I know, I work in the shipping business and when the economy is slow freight movement drops off and we have to hustle for more frieght to move. The past few months has been some of the most productive freight moving months in my shipping career. That is not a coincidence. Come on, lets hear your spin on that one because I WILL put you in your place if you try!
Keep spewing forth what the libs spoon feed ya and I'll keep setting you straight...we got a deal? **** these apples are really tasting sweet now.
In case you wanted to see those labor statistics: http://stats.bls.gov/
Hammer
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Addition to my previous post:
Thank God for the veterans and active military who have sacrificed that we may enjoy the freedom we so often take for granted.
The following example sums up my thankfulness for an education in the South:
A young woman was about to finish her first year of college.
Like so many others her age, she considered herself to be a very liberal
Democrat and had grown to be in strong favor for the distribution of all
wealth in America. She felt deeply ashamed that her father was a rather
staunch conservative which she expressed openly. One day she was
challenging her father on his beliefs and his opposition & more welfare
programs. In the middle of her heartfelt diatribe based upon the lectures
she had from her far left professors at her school, he stopped her and
asked her point blank, how she was doing in school.
She answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him
know that it was tough to maintain. That she had to study all the time,
never had time to go out and party like other people she knew. She
didn't even have time for a boyfriend and didn't really have many college
friends because of spending all her time studying. That she was taking a
more difficult curriculum. Her father listened and then asked, "How is
your friend Mary." She replied, "Mary is barely getting by," she
continued, "all she has is barely a 2.0 GPA" adding, "and all she takes are
easy classes and she never studies." But to explain further she
continued emotionally, "But Mary is so very popular on campus, college
for her is a blast, she goes to all the parties all the time and very
often doesn't even show up for classes because she is too hung
over."
Her father then asked his daughter, "Why don't you go to the Dean's
office and ask him to deduct a 1.0 off your 4.0 GPA and give it to
your friend who only had a 2.0." He continued, "That way you will
both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair equal distribution
of GPA."
The daughter visibly shocked by the fathers suggestion angrily fired
back, "That wouldn't be fair! I worked really hard for mine, I did
without and Mary has done little or nothing, she played while I
worked real hard!" The father slowly smiled and said, "Welcome to
the Republican Party."
Thank God for the veterans and active military who have sacrificed that we may enjoy the freedom we so often take for granted.
The following example sums up my thankfulness for an education in the South:
A young woman was about to finish her first year of college.
Like so many others her age, she considered herself to be a very liberal
Democrat and had grown to be in strong favor for the distribution of all
wealth in America. She felt deeply ashamed that her father was a rather
staunch conservative which she expressed openly. One day she was
challenging her father on his beliefs and his opposition & more welfare
programs. In the middle of her heartfelt diatribe based upon the lectures
she had from her far left professors at her school, he stopped her and
asked her point blank, how she was doing in school.
She answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him
know that it was tough to maintain. That she had to study all the time,
never had time to go out and party like other people she knew. She
didn't even have time for a boyfriend and didn't really have many college
friends because of spending all her time studying. That she was taking a
more difficult curriculum. Her father listened and then asked, "How is
your friend Mary." She replied, "Mary is barely getting by," she
continued, "all she has is barely a 2.0 GPA" adding, "and all she takes are
easy classes and she never studies." But to explain further she
continued emotionally, "But Mary is so very popular on campus, college
for her is a blast, she goes to all the parties all the time and very
often doesn't even show up for classes because she is too hung
over."
Her father then asked his daughter, "Why don't you go to the Dean's
office and ask him to deduct a 1.0 off your 4.0 GPA and give it to
your friend who only had a 2.0." He continued, "That way you will
both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair equal distribution
of GPA."
The daughter visibly shocked by the fathers suggestion angrily fired
back, "That wouldn't be fair! I worked really hard for mine, I did
without and Mary has done little or nothing, she played while I
worked real hard!" The father slowly smiled and said, "Welcome to
the Republican Party."
Firstly, Clinton got it to around 4.9%, and most people that understand how the jobless rate is calculated will know that it only represents 1 element of the employment picture, the total number of jobs in the US is still down dramatically from where it was in the Clinton years.
As for aid with conditions and wanting people on their knees, then you're really doing it out of your own interest so don't call it aid, it is investement.
Sure the US can do the job, but is it willing? So far the tab is 200 billion, it will probably reach 500 billion before there is any light at the end if the tunnel. 810 dead, probably 7 to 8K kia dead before the dust settles. What price are you willing to pay? BTW yes Bush is begging, they may be trying all kinds of rethoric, but the admin is desperate to get some sort of meaningful foreign help and keep the so called "cooalition of the willing" together.
Cute story, but it's nothing like real American society. Nice try. You see, common sense answers can not explain society and social problems. These things are far more complex than they appear. If we all relied on "common sense" explanations, we'd still be dying from the bubonic plague. (I hope you can make the connection here. Back then, it was common sense that the cause MUST be something you can see with your eyes) In fact, I'd like to hear your explanation of the welfare problem. This is fun.
Oh gawd, another sociology student that knows it all
My immediate family (parents, grandparents, uncles, ...) all lived through and served in WW-II. Pretty much only my mother is left, all the rest have passed on. Even to this day, my mother gets all excited to eat an orange. They were rationed in the war. This truly was an exceptional generation, not by choice but by necessity. I hope you all took time yesterday to attend the Memorial Day parades and give thanks to the veterans and todays active military. I look forward to visiting the new WW-II memorial. What took so long?
Anyways, it concerns me not all all how Saddam's strategic allies, France, Germany, Russia, like our President. I hope that the UN "Oil for weapons" bribery schemes are fully reported, but the UN is in full cover up mode. It sure does suck for those countries that none of the rebuilding contracts are heading their way, really breaks my heart. The liberals get super excited when they allege that Halliburton skimmed off a couple of $million, but are strangely silent when their beloved UN has illegally used $10B against US interests.
With the mainstream media obsession with removing Bush, I am shocked that Kerry is not 20 points ahead in the polls (as was Dukakis at a similar phase of the run up to that election). Bush is holding steady in the polls, and sure to run up before November. No wonder the liberals are steaming mad!
I see parallels today to how some conservatives were obsessed with the removal of BJ Clinton. It clouds their judgement. The Bush haters haven't gotten over the 2000 election. How could the "stupid" Bush win against their "genius" Gore Jr.?
Have you listened to Al Gore Jr. lately? Wow, we nearly got stuck with that nutcase.
Keith.
How about planning for the future and not having children until you know that you can afford them?
"How about planning for the future and not having children until you know that you can afford them?"
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Why? In third world countries birth control is not practiced.
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Why? In third world countries birth control is not practiced.
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