Harley Davidson "Bailout" ?

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I don't think it's political. It happens that HD fell victim to loose credit, just like the mortgage industry did. As I understand it, as sales began to suffer, the strategy was to rejuvenate sales by dramatically lowering credit standards and offering new bike loans to just about anyone regardless of their ability to repay.

When a household loses an income, keeping that $20k+ recreational/hobby mobile seems fairly low on the list of priorities. All of the motorcycle manufacturers have seen a dramatic drop in sales during the recession, but not all of them tried to artificially keep sales up through inadvisable credit practices.

It's just the business of credit and the culture of credit biting another corporate victim and many households too.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if Japanese government subsidized their auto/bike makers. This has been their policy from the get-go - to promote strong players capable of competing internationally. That's how they promote their keiretsus. Kawasaki is part of Dai-Ichi Kangyo keiretsu. Yamaha is part of Fuyo keiretsu. Suzuki is part of Tokai keiretsu (as is Toyota).

Only Honda is outside of it, without any apparent links to Japan's national banks.
 
Toyota got some money too. Not sure why though, maybe they wanted to join the party too?
 
Apparently numerous companies utilized the program. I just wasn't aware of how much trouble HD was in. Didn't know a thing about the Japanese industrial-banking interlocking relationships either, thanks for the information QP.
 
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Originally Posted By: mikered30
Toyota got some money too. Not sure why though, maybe they wanted to join the party too?


Really?

They're making record breaking profits this year despite the obvious scam to discredit them in the early part of the year.

Who gave them money?
 
Guardian News Article...

GE
Toyota
HD
Dell
Verizon
Caterpillar
Various banks worldwide [Barclay's, Royal Bank of Scotland, Bank of Scotland (now part of Lloyds), Abbey National and HSBC]
Citibank
Bank of America
and the list goes on...
 
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Originally Posted By: craigq
This will probably cross some boundary and be locked by a mod due to political overtones. Has anyone heard about this before ?
$2.3 Billion HD "Bailout" 2008-2009

Does anyone know if the big 4 Japanese firms received any "bailout" ?


Hogs to the trough?
 
So.... the great and omnipotent Harley Davidson is in the same boat as the hated and despised "Government" Motors....

Wow...
 
Originally Posted By: boraticus
Originally Posted By: mikered30
Toyota got some money too. Not sure why though, maybe they wanted to join the party too?


Really?

They're making record breaking profits this year despite the obvious scam to discredit them in the early part of the year.

Who gave them money?


Bernanke
 
The HD plant in York is hurting really bad. They have had numerous layoffs and pay cuts. They thought a couple times of closing up shop. I don't know if they can turn it around.
 
Originally Posted By: Jim 5
When a household loses an income, keeping that $20k+ recreational/hobby mobile seems fairly low on the list of priorities.

Yep. Same goes for boats, jet ski, campers / RV and other unnecessary expensive toys that are not needed.
After what has happened in the past 2 years, lots of people will no longer be blowing money on [censored] they really don't need and are in 'survival mode'.
 
Originally Posted By: mikered30
Originally Posted By: boraticus
Originally Posted By: mikered30
Toyota got some money too. Not sure why though, maybe they wanted to join the party too?


Really?

They're making record breaking profits this year despite the obvious scam to discredit them in the early part of the year.

Who gave them money?




Bernanke




The Japanese Government also loaned Toyota a few billion in 2009 to help with credit liquidity.
 
Originally Posted By: boraticus
Hogs to the trough?


Good one.
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