Greetings from China

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After being in the US for 14 years and in Hong Kong for the other 15, I'm back in China for a visit. When I was in Hong Kong I would come back with my parents every 2-3 years, but I haven't come back since I arrive the US 14 years. All I can say is, wow, what a difference.

Fuzhou, the city I was born in, tripled in the last 14 years and now has 1.2 million people. Lots of new building both in low and high quality. My cousins have all grown up and have kids, their oldest kid is now 20 years old, and the youngest 4. The little kindergardener second cousin I once remembered is now a college student.

Originally I though most things are low quality in China, but it is only half true. Those can afford to actually get the very good stuff that cost even more than what we found in the US, but those low income labor only get to buy the junk of the junk that falls apart in days. Taxi's here are luxuary to most since it is expensive, but they are worst than the cars we junk in the US. Driving habits are a game of "drive slow, anything goes". The lack of traffic enforcement, road designs 50 years ago, and the mix of migrant workers on bike, moped, buses, and cars means that people often go into the opposite traffic to pass, cars drove on pedestrian roads, and a huge mess. The rule of thumb is if there is no central divider, you can drive into the opposite traffic.

I though I knew my own hometown's food since I grew up with my parents' cooking. And boy I was wrong. I'm now on my 2nd indigestion in 4 days and is living on poridge and craves top ramens and American fast food (never though that could happened). This city has very bad sanitation due to the humidity, temperature, and the lack of wind. A toilet that sit unused for 5 hours can develop a moldy smell, and people only uses squat toilet in public establishment (or just a slot on the floor in some rural village without water) for "sanitation" reason.

Income level, education, and social status are all over the place here. My uncle has $5000 yuan ($700 US) per month as retirement since he was in the military as an officer (almost a general), but his son only got $1500 yuan per month as salary. I heard that a migrant worker makes only $700 per month and those who stay back home to farm gets only food, and can't afford children's education since food doesn't worth much nowadays.
 
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In terms of corruptions, it is now much better than years ago. When I left, government officers drove nice cars and seems to have an unlimited amount of money that they show off at all time. Now most don't dare to show it off and wouldn't accept big bribe for the fear of anti-corruption efforts. My cousin is the assistant of the mayor and she got a driver and a car (Mitsubishi Galant made in the province), and live in an apartment that is considered upper middle class in the city. She said that if you work for the government and have unexplainable wealth or luxury, the investigation would start immediately. If your group of politicians (i.e. your boss) losses political influence, the entire group of officers could get fired or jailed if there were corruption investigations in your file. This is the political in-fighting in China.

So what's the benefit of working for the government? You get lots of benefit as businesses try to influence the government by giving group favors (i.e. $5000 yuan per month spending limit per top city employees) in their restaurants, spas, resorts, etc. Since this is given to the entire government, it is not considered corruption here (different law). All it takes is to ask for the president or VP of the establishment when you arrive, and they will come and give you a toast, said something nice about you in front of your guests, and you get a super discount meal (Apple bee's price for a steak house meal). I heard from a family friend that corruption is still very big problemin the police as she was a juror in a case. The son of the police cheif wants to get into the recycle business against a mafia group and they got into a fight, so the police arrest only the member of the mafia group.

Freedom of speech and honest journalism is starting, but not complete. You can now see many clips of reporters discovering banned products still being sold, neighborhood problems, etc. There is also a live radio show that you can ask the mayor questions or complains to him.
 
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Hey PandaBear. Great post. Really appreciate the incite into your homeland. Many thanks and have a safe trip...
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Now most don't dare to show it off and wouldn't accept big bribe for the fear of anti-corruption efforts.




Heck, at this rate, they'll come up to our standards of legal corruption. All you have to do is afford to trump the black market corruption for gains
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Originally Posted By: StevieC
Wow what a different world... Thanks for the story!
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Same here. I always love to hear about what it's really like on the other side of the world, from someone with 1st hand knowledge. Thanks again for sharing. In no way is this a slam against the many good folks from China, but reading this post makes me very happy to be an American, living and working in America.
 
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Now most don't dare to show it off and wouldn't accept big bribe for the fear of anti-corruption efforts.




Heck, at this rate, they'll come up to our standards of legal corruption. All you have to do is afford to trump the black market corruption for gains
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Probably not for another 30 years. The saying here is that if you catch all the corrupted officers and people, you will have a government that is almost empty. The media still couldn't report corruption and the party protect the corrupted officers by asking them to retire instead of jailing them (unless they are someone that has seriously caused public safety or is used as a dog and ponny show).

BTW, international phone call sucks here. I bought a SIM card here trying to call international, and it couldn't. When I called the customer service all I got was that I have to go to a service center, put down $1000 yuan ($125 US) deposit, and register my ID card before they could unlock my account for international call. My AT&T SIM card works as soon as I power it up with roaming. You do get what you pay for, especially in a developing country.

One more thing I've never seen in the US (or any part of the world), is a residential unit that is empty when first sold. By empty I means no electrical, no partitions (walls that establish a room), no restroom, no kitchen, just an entrance door and a hollow warehouse inside. This is how apartments are sold and you need to spend another 40% of the purchase price to "remodel" it into a useful home. Apartments aren't cheap here either. Frequently you can find a 900 sqft apartments that cost $400-800k yuan, about $60-120k US, in a city with typical salary of $1500 yuan per person per month ($200 US). Buying the first home is a family affair that involves 3 generations and borrowing from your well off distance family members (many overseas), or having to be a business owner yourself. Those who could afford buy homes that are Miami ocean view quality and leave them empty as investment. I've seen many luxury condos that are left with only 30% occupancy and ads everywhere encouraging people to move in instead of letting it sit empty.
 
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Originally Posted By: wavinwayne
Same here. I always love to hear about what it's really like on the other side of the world, from someone with 1st hand knowledge. Thanks again for sharing. In no way is this a slam against the many good folks from China, but reading this post makes me very happy to be an American, living and working in America.


You mean there is other parts of the world other than North America?
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Just kidding... I agree with you. I'm happy to be on this continent, but thank China for keeping my Walmart stocked with their peoples hard labour. Gosh those people have it bad eh?

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Originally Posted By: PandaBear
Buying the first home is a family affair that involves 3 generations and borrowing from your well off distance family members (many overseas), or having to be a business owner yourself. Those who could afford buy homes that are Miami ocean view quality and leave them empty as investment. I've seen many luxury condos that are left with only 30% occupancy and ads everywhere encouraging people to move in instead of letting it sit empty.


You just wait, this bubble will burst too.
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As far as corruption... well, you do need some continuity of government, just to remember all the stuff that's going on... so if you can cut the graft by ~90% and get everyone on the same page... that's a start!
 
Originally Posted By: oilyriser
What kinds of motor oil have you spotted for sale so far?


Yes ..the finer obscure details were nice to hear about ..but what of the really important things in life??
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I have never been in the center (or stayed) in Fuzhou (the pronunciation is something like Foo-jhoo/Foojoe, Panda can clean that up a bit, I'm sure.) I've been to cities (towns) around Fuzhou. I travelled all about China 2000-2005 lounging around in factories, food joints, hotels and karaoke bars.

I like that area for the trees and seaports. It should not be so hot in December, but in summer it's pretty nasty. It's certainly more gritty than the famous SEZ's (Shenzhen, Shanghai) and not so used to white folks. Still, your post makes me miss China big time.

OH yeah oil. Many China towns have "oil stores"/"oil shops" right on the street, pretty cool! I never took a picture of one.
 
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OH yeah oil. Many China towns have "oil stores"/"oil shops" right on the street, pretty cool! I never took a picture of one.


Well, since you blew it, maybe our member on the inside will show us China's "Oil boutiques".
 
Just like I never took pictures of sumptuous feasts, floor level binjos, stunningly beautiful women, bleeding trapped car crash victims, verdant lush hillsides, erosion and pollution that makes us look like pikers, shat shacks with red white and blue striped plastic tarp roofs, huge brand new perfectly constructed production facilities……alas I only took pictures of test fixtures, assembly lines, measurement equipment.

China is indeed a land of HUGE contrasts. Ah, unintented consequences. Or planned by the commie mob all along.
 
Originally Posted By: PandaBear
My uncle has $5000 yuan ($700 US) per month as retirement since he was in the military as an officer (almost a general)
So a 2nd Lieutenant?! Sounds like an amazingly awesome place to live. Taste some of the cardboard baozi and tell me how it is.
 
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Just like I never took pictures of sumptuous feasts, floor level binjos, stunningly beautiful women, bleeding trapped car crash victims, verdant lush hillsides, erosion and pollution that makes us look like pikers, shat shacks with red white and blue striped plastic tarp roofs, huge brand new perfectly constructed production facilities……alas I only took pictures of test fixtures, assembly lines, measurement equipment.

China is indeed a land of HUGE contrasts. Ah, unintented consequences. Or planned by the commie mob all along.


:) I once saw a dude transporting a skyscraper glass window on a bicycle in Beijing. They have things far more advanced than us and next to it they will have something pre-industrial revolution.

The most horrific are the apartment blocks built during the communist times. I wouldn't step in one of them.
 
Originally Posted By: oilyriser
What kinds of motor oil have you spotted for sale so far?


Due to the lack of space (no lawn, no parking, no curb sit empty for more than 10 mins), they just bring their car in for maintanence. Since labor is cheap and those who could afford cars are usually better off, it makes sense not to do your own maintanence.

The oil ads I've seen so far are Shell Helix, Esso (suppose to be a foreign brand but the Chinese translation said PetroChina). Most gas station are domestic instead of the big foreign brand like Caltex (Chevron), Mobil, Shell, BP, etc.

From what I heard, most oil are bulk in drum and came from the local refinary with foreign additive packs, with unknown grade (most SL).
 
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