Go back to 5W20?

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Hello everyone, this is my first post so here it goes...

I just bought a 2002 ZX2 with 98k on the clock that is very well taken care of. The previous owner keep a lot of receipts for the maintaince and at the last oil change the "oil shop" told him to change to a high mileage 5W30 made by Mobil.

Is this OK or should I go back to 5W20 that Ford recommends for this car. thanks
 
Hi.

It really doesn't matter. It's out of warranty, and both will provide protection for your engine.

Fuel economy is a toss-up. In real world conditions, you won't notice a difference.

Performance. Again, it's minute because your engine won't differentiate between 20 and 30.

Protection. Well, if Ford recommends an XW-20 in the manual sure it's ok. The engineers have done their homework to make sure running a lower viscosity oil will not "hurt" the engine. But remember, the beef of this decision lies within the fact that better fuel economy and efficiency numbers can be posted in a lab, submitted to the government, etc etc. I mean Honda does it too so why not right?

Now. A thinner viscosity oil, due to simple physics will not provide the same high temperature protection compared to a higher viscosity oils. It's really simple. Higher viscosity = better protection at higher temperatures. However, it could be providing protection OUTSIDE of most consumer's driving needs or most engine operating conditions.

Will it hurt to use a 30? No. Will it hurt to use a 20? No. Should you run a 30? Sure. Should you run a 20? At least always.

Engine tolerances and all that mish mash is irrelevant. The movement to a lower viscosity oil is to be more marketable both to the consumer and to the government. By touting extra fuel efficiency numbers that were obtained in a lab, manufacturers have more marketability in their products, because 1.) consumers want fuel efficient vehicles and 2.) the government wants you to build fuel efficient vehicles.

Remember, it's easier to change a viscosity than to change even the smallest thing in engine design...including microfinishing, which on a scale of the big automakers, will take a large chunk out of profits. Although we do it to our race engines like they drink gas, on a large scale, it's not as profitable. So, the manufacturer just has to test the engine within specified operating conditions, and as long as it meets protection that again are specified as standards (or acceptable), then it would be ok to recommend to consumers.

Plus, the market statistics show that people now only keep their cars for an average of 5 years. It's not like before. So, it may be far-fetched to say this but in my opinion, shorter potential consumer ownership = more lax engine protection requirements.

Anyways, that's me schpiel haha. Probably more than what you wanted but sometimes I get carried away...hahaha

So yep. Either oil is fine really.
 
Either one will work.

If you DIY, Motorcraft 5w-20 is a synthetic blend oil available at Wal-Mart for ~$13 for 5 quarts. They also have Motorcraft filters for your Escort for $4.xx or so.
 
My two Ford 2.0 powered cars idle rough during warm-up on cool mornings when oil is very thick. Because the car has already run high mileage oil you should stay with it, and change grades to 5w-20.
 
Originally Posted By: dtt004

Plus, the market statistics show that people now only keep their cars for an average of 5 years. It's not like before. So, it may be far-fetched to say this but in my opinion, shorter potential consumer ownership = more lax engine protection requirements.



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Post of the year! Too many otherwise intelligent posters here have gotten so bamboozled and caught up in the 5-20 and 0-20 mania, they fail to realize WHY these thin oils are being pushed on the consumer. Honda & Ford test them to prove that they are "just good enough", NOT for the optimum protection of your vehicle.
 
FWIW I have a Ford Modular motor (4.6) spec'd for 5w20 ('08)and switched over from 5w20 to 5w30. As expected it "runs fine" No noticable loss of fuel economy, or anything else for that matter. I plan on sticking with the 5w30 weight.
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People have lots of opinions, and these threads always end up in the thick vs thin conspiracy theory. A visit to the UOA report section and web search of how these oils were tested might help. The US auto industry has finally begun to overcome a good chunk of the masses thinking that Japanese cars are better than American cars. Now many people are viewing them as equal or in some cases better. Since we are talking opinion, it is my opinion that the American automaker would like people to buy a quality product that is not going to blow up in 5 years because they are calling for thinner oil to meet CAFE requirements. IMO there is a little more to it. I think todays 20 grade oils are very well made and up to the task FOR ENGINES THAT CALL FOR IT.

As a sidenote, respected member Dr. Haas have been successfully experimenting with 20 grade oils in applications calling for much "thicker" oil. IIRC respected member Gary Allan has tested 0W10 oil with great results, search them if you like.

That's the Devil Advocates side of the coin, nothing more!

OP either oil will be fine! Keep is simple use what the mfg specs. If you have a problem look toward another grade of oil.
 
Welcome ZX258! I also have a ZX2, mine's a 2000 model with 93K miles. My Dad bought it new and I got it Sept '09 with 58K on it. He did 3K mile dealer oil changes with Motorcraft synt blend 5W20 and 5w30. Needless to say the engine is spotless. I went to Mobil 1 when I got it, in both weights. I honestly can NOT tell the difference in power or mileage between the two. Car gets 30-32 on my 60 mile a day mostly highway commute and 38-39 on all highway trips. It does seem smoother and definetly quieter on 5W30 however. I recently switched back to Motorcraft oil in the 5W30 high mileage blend however. Mine has a very minor rear main seep and want to see if it will stop. The Motorcraft High Mileage synth blend is a dealer only item but it seems to be an excellent oil. Personally I'd run 5W30 in yours.
 
Oh just to add a thought. The 2.0 Zetecs were spec'd for 5W30 from 98 thru 2000 and then changed to 5W20 for 2001-2003. The older one's were back spec'd to 5W20 but you will be fine on 5W30, they do seem to like it better. just my two cents.
 
My daugheter's '06 mazda3 2.0L(spec'd for 5W20) seems to be smoother/quieter with the 5W30 as compared to 5W20. I have used both in the summer/winter for comparisons. No noticable performance or mpg difference. MPG does drop in the winter with either. And beleive me, we keep an eye on mpg! IDK if this 2.0L is of the same family('98-'03) as the 2.0L engine that you folks are talking about. I beleive that FORD and mazda share this motor.
 
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My ZX2 ran great on 5W20, use it with confidence.
Also, unplug the knock sensor to improve idle and overall driveability.
 
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I think todays 20 grade oils are very well made and up to the task FOR ENGINES THAT CALL FOR IT.


OK, so what would you say about the Honda engines, that call for 5-30 everywhere around the globe, except in the US (5-20)?
 
Originally Posted By: gfh77665
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I think todays 20 grade oils are very well made and up to the task FOR ENGINES THAT CALL FOR IT.


OK, so what would you say about the Honda engines, that call for 5-30 everywhere around the globe, except in the US (5-20)?
I would say E.P.A.
 
Originally Posted By: virginoil

5w30 is about the thinnest used in australia at the moment.

Aus is in the lower hemisphere everything has to be upside down, so there must be a difference in lubrication needs .
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Originally Posted By: gfh77665
Me too. It's CAFE, not optimal engine protection!

The first can be true without the second also being true.

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I'll be happy to believe that, if anyone can realistically explain Honda using 5-30 around the globe, with the exception of 5-20 in the US.

The third post in this thread by an engineer speaks volumes.
 
Originally Posted By: Char Baby
My daugheter's '06 mazda3 2.0L(spec'd for 5W20) seems to be smoother/quieter with the 5W30 as compared to 5W20. I have used both in the summer/winter for comparisons. No noticable performance or mpg difference. MPG does drop in the winter with either. And beleive me, we keep an eye on mpg! IDK if this 2.0L is of the same family('98-'03) as the 2.0L engine that you folks are talking about. I beleive that FORD and mazda share this motor.

I run my wifes 08 Mazda 3 2.0 on 5w30 as well. The valve train is definitely a little quieter and I can't sleep knowing she would be in stop and go traffic during Florida summers with a 20wt.
 
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