Nowadays engines have too tight tolerances, so a 20wxx wont enter between parts when freezing, AHAAAMM! SURE!
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GO Ahead! Use 20W50 in your new Camry!
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Originally Posted By: 4wheeldog
Given that it is Russia, allowing 20W/50 is more a nod to using something.....Anything.....Available, rather than the right thing.
Available 5w30 is the most available around the world. Dont fall for thst also. Cobaiadas
Given that it is Russia, allowing 20W/50 is more a nod to using something.....Anything.....Available, rather than the right thing.
Available 5w30 is the most available around the world. Dont fall for thst also. Cobaiadas
Originally Posted By: Pontual
Originally Posted By: 4wheeldog
Given that it is Russia, allowing 20W/50 is more a nod to using something.....Anything.....Available, rather than the right thing.
Available 5w30 is the most available around the world. Dont fall for thst also. Cobaiadas
Yep,
there's TGMO VOAs...in Russian, using Russian purchased TGMO (they've got access to a couple, the steel can and the Mobil ones)
Originally Posted By: 4wheeldog
Given that it is Russia, allowing 20W/50 is more a nod to using something.....Anything.....Available, rather than the right thing.
Available 5w30 is the most available around the world. Dont fall for thst also. Cobaiadas
Yep,
there's TGMO VOAs...in Russian, using Russian purchased TGMO (they've got access to a couple, the steel can and the Mobil ones)
Originally Posted By: Pontual
Nowadays engines have too tight tolerances, so a 20wxx wont enter between parts when freezing, AHAAAMM! SURE!
Tolerances are the allowable deviation allowed from the speced clearances . There is a chart to help the operator of the vehicle pick the proper viscosity oil for the temps the vehicle will be operated in . That doesn't seem that hard for me to understand.I would be worried about the oil not being drawn into the oil pump from the sump using a too thick oil for the temps at start.
Nowadays engines have too tight tolerances, so a 20wxx wont enter between parts when freezing, AHAAAMM! SURE!
Tolerances are the allowable deviation allowed from the speced clearances . There is a chart to help the operator of the vehicle pick the proper viscosity oil for the temps the vehicle will be operated in . That doesn't seem that hard for me to understand.I would be worried about the oil not being drawn into the oil pump from the sump using a too thick oil for the temps at start.
20w50!? I'd rather use Mobil 1 0W40 in everything
Originally Posted By: SumpChump
The Russians say that you can .... no problem!
RUSSIAN MANUAL
Gets pretty cold in the former "worker's paradise" as well. That chart looks a lot like the factory chart for my BMW bike.
The Russians say that you can .... no problem!
RUSSIAN MANUAL
Gets pretty cold in the former "worker's paradise" as well. That chart looks a lot like the factory chart for my BMW bike.
I thought that variable valve timing was sensitive to oil viscosity....
Do yourself a favor and don't use 20w50 in your new camry bad things will happen on your dime.
in the cold bearings possible oil filter blowout and or damage thrown rod, maybe lucky and just a no start condition. Lots of extra engine wear and other things also. I have seen it with a Honda that required 5w20
Its not all about cafe like some here think.. then when something happens under warranty explain to Toyota that the Russians say it is ok to use 20w50 in new camrys. You will have lots of time to think about it while you are pushing your new toyota home from the dealer complaining about Toyota not fixing it under warranty.
Its not all about cafe like some here think.. then when something happens under warranty explain to Toyota that the Russians say it is ok to use 20w50 in new camrys. You will have lots of time to think about it while you are pushing your new toyota home from the dealer complaining about Toyota not fixing it under warranty.
Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
in the cold bearings possible oil filter blowout and or damage thrown rod, maybe lucky and just a no start condition. Lots of extra engine wear and other things also. I have seen it with a Honda that required 5w20
Its not all about cafe like some here think.. then when something happens under warranty explain to Toyota that the Russians say it is ok to use 20w50 in new camrys. You will have lots of time to think about it while you are pushing your new toyota home from the dealer complaining about Toyota not fixing it under warranty.
documented facts please? not campfire stories.
in the cold bearings possible oil filter blowout and or damage thrown rod, maybe lucky and just a no start condition. Lots of extra engine wear and other things also. I have seen it with a Honda that required 5w20
Its not all about cafe like some here think.. then when something happens under warranty explain to Toyota that the Russians say it is ok to use 20w50 in new camrys. You will have lots of time to think about it while you are pushing your new toyota home from the dealer complaining about Toyota not fixing it under warranty.
documented facts please? not campfire stories.
Would the filter be in bypass longer with a 20w50?
Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
in the cold bearings possible oil filter blowout and or damage thrown rod, maybe lucky and just a no start condition. Lots of extra engine wear and other things also. I have seen it with a Honda that required 5w20
All documented ?
Wonder why these things never happened in Australia, or are you talking about people running the "20W" part down to 0F ???
in the cold bearings possible oil filter blowout and or damage thrown rod, maybe lucky and just a no start condition. Lots of extra engine wear and other things also. I have seen it with a Honda that required 5w20
All documented ?
Wonder why these things never happened in Australia, or are you talking about people running the "20W" part down to 0F ???
Originally Posted By: spasm3
Would the filter be in bypass longer with a 20w50?
Depends on how the filter reacts to viscosity versus density, and how much flow is through the pump relief as opposed to runnignt hrough the filter, but I'd say yes, a 20W at extreme temps would have longer in filter bypass.
Would the filter be in bypass longer with a 20w50?
Depends on how the filter reacts to viscosity versus density, and how much flow is through the pump relief as opposed to runnignt hrough the filter, but I'd say yes, a 20W at extreme temps would have longer in filter bypass.
Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
pushing your new toyota home from the dealer complaining about Toyota not fixing it under warranty.
So, no warranty on Toyota's in Russia ?
pushing your new toyota home from the dealer complaining about Toyota not fixing it under warranty.
So, no warranty on Toyota's in Russia ?
The links says all the following oils are acceptable: 0W20, 5W20, 5W30, 10W30, 15W40 and 20W50.
The last three have min temp range
eg 10W30 to -18 ( I assume C, so ~ 0F), and the 20W50 to -7 C (~ 20F)
The Russian manual doesn't give you permission to run 20W50 at any temperature, it has reasonable limits.
The last three have min temp range
eg 10W30 to -18 ( I assume C, so ~ 0F), and the 20W50 to -7 C (~ 20F)
The Russian manual doesn't give you permission to run 20W50 at any temperature, it has reasonable limits.
20w50 in Russia? Sounds crazy to me, my 75 Ford Capri uses 20w50 and i usually won't drive it if it's below -5c because 20w50 is like molasses at those temps
I wouldn't do it in the winter here, and on occasion, it has resulted in disasters, such as twisted distributor shafts, not to mention simply not starting at all, in more modern times.
The average mechanic (or store clerk) in Mexico will say you'll ruin your engine if you use anything thinner than 20W-50.
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