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GM's TRUE 'Golden Age'....an opinion
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GM should have never had the market they did in the 50s.Their styling at times followed,not leading.The design staff was nearly fired in 1956 when they got sight of the low sleek 57 Chrysler products as opposed to their bolt upright 57/58 GM lines.Their crude chassis designs were decades behind Chrysler 55-on.Their engines took back seats to Chrysler's Hemis 1951-1958.Even humble AMC with their unibody designs built a far more solid car.Hudson was NASCAR champ with their straight 6 Hornet,and Plymouth did well with a flathead 6.Not even having standard oil filters,showed how cut rate cheap they were.Had it not been for people getting sucked into GMs price ladder of brands (Chevy,Pontiac,Olds,Buick,Cadillac),I believe Ford or Plymouth would have put the hurt on sales leader Chevrolet.
Trying to be careful with what i say, but the uaw has pushed away many gm/ford loyal customers, myself included.
I still miss my 76 buick regal 2 door.
I still miss my 76 buick regal 2 door.
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Originally Posted By: 2Fast4U
Picked up a 2012 gmc terrain last month. I test drove ford edge, Hyundai,Kia,Toyota,Honda. NOTHING else came close to the 2 tone red stich leather awesome interior that the terrain has. It has sound deadening technology through an included subwoofer. It also has 7 inch touch screen radio that links up with pandora and other stuff on smart phone.
These other vehicles looked like the interior was from the 90's. Most of them drove just blah. If you don't believe me go check it out. The rav4 looks the same as it has forever. The next best interior to the terrain was the ford edge.
I agree with a lot of that. The Terrain is a nice vehicle!
Picked up a 2012 gmc terrain last month. I test drove ford edge, Hyundai,Kia,Toyota,Honda. NOTHING else came close to the 2 tone red stich leather awesome interior that the terrain has. It has sound deadening technology through an included subwoofer. It also has 7 inch touch screen radio that links up with pandora and other stuff on smart phone.
These other vehicles looked like the interior was from the 90's. Most of them drove just blah. If you don't believe me go check it out. The rav4 looks the same as it has forever. The next best interior to the terrain was the ford edge.
I agree with a lot of that. The Terrain is a nice vehicle!
Ugh. Late 70's and early-80's GM cars were junk. As least, the cars. Some of the trucks were okay, like the flare-side short bed pickups. I had a 77 GMC Sierra that was a tank. I wish I still had it for the times when I need a truck.
The 60's, on the other hand? GM made some great cars. And they threw their success away over the next 3 decades. That, and UAW ran them into the ground.
The 60's, on the other hand? GM made some great cars. And they threw their success away over the next 3 decades. That, and UAW ran them into the ground.
do you really an other 1955 small block chevy WITH OUT a full flow filter, that vapor locks in the summer, and uses spark plugs as fast as you can put them in. please take your rose colored glasses OFF. but remember i can blast my chryslers better than you can.
im glad im not the only one who thinks that the uaw is a big issue. id have a hard time buying a gm product .
Originally Posted By: 2Fast4U
Picked up a 2012 gmc terrain last month. I test drove ford edge, Hyundai,Kia,Toyota,Honda. NOTHING else came close to the 2 tone red stich leather awesome interior that the terrain has. It has sound deadening technology through an included subwoofer. It also has 7 inch touch screen radio that links up with pandora and other stuff on smart phone.
These other vehicles looked like the interior was from the 90's. Most of them drove just blah. If you don't believe me go check it out. The rav4 looks the same as it has forever. The next best interior to the terrain was the ford edge.
We have a 2010 Equinox, very similar to a Terrain. If they have 0% for 60 months over the 4th of July we will be looking to upgrade to a 2012 one model line up (1LT to 2LT). Several upgrades are in the 2012s compared to the 2010s, and that doesn't account for the differences in trim levels. Current promotions run May 1-July 2, so we are thinking they will.
Picked up a 2012 gmc terrain last month. I test drove ford edge, Hyundai,Kia,Toyota,Honda. NOTHING else came close to the 2 tone red stich leather awesome interior that the terrain has. It has sound deadening technology through an included subwoofer. It also has 7 inch touch screen radio that links up with pandora and other stuff on smart phone.
These other vehicles looked like the interior was from the 90's. Most of them drove just blah. If you don't believe me go check it out. The rav4 looks the same as it has forever. The next best interior to the terrain was the ford edge.
We have a 2010 Equinox, very similar to a Terrain. If they have 0% for 60 months over the 4th of July we will be looking to upgrade to a 2012 one model line up (1LT to 2LT). Several upgrades are in the 2012s compared to the 2010s, and that doesn't account for the differences in trim levels. Current promotions run May 1-July 2, so we are thinking they will.
GM has some really nice cars right now, especially small cars. GM's always lacked good smaller cars, except at current. The Cruze and Sonic are well-received in the auto press, and seen as very competitive with the other "small" cars on the market.
Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: OtisBlkR1
I believe dodge is trying this in some respects now with there designs and prices, my opinion hands down some of the sharpest autos on the street today.. but would i buy one ?
I can go down to the local dodge dealer and buy a top of the line all the bells and whistles Big horn all day long for around $26,000 I cant even get into a good Extended chevy silverado 4x4 with half the options for that price.. but ask yourself what your getting for that $26,000 Ive been told many times if you can find a newer Ram with the new Hemi with 100,000 miles on it not ticking like a typewriter youv done well.. that says something..
But man they sure are sharp to look at, and the new cars ? challenger, charger, whoooo-hoooo shnazzy !!
From someone who has owned trucks from all of the Detroit Three that is just biased information from someone who just prefers a GM. If there is that much of a pricing spread when I buy my next pickup the GM salesman will not have a chance.
slide into my neck of the woods, im happy to drive you to the dealers and prove it.. and im not Biased, i like chevy, ford, dodge, and Honda just to name a few.. but plain and simple its a known FACT that the newer 5.7 ltr Hemi is a ticker.. its well documented, dont get me wrong, im not going to hate on dodge, if i wanted a cheap truck to run for 7-9 years and i knew i was trading it in at that point, Dodge would be the way to go.. Atleast in this part of Indiana, the Farmers that truly work trucks will only have one dodge in there fleet and it doesnt come equiped with sparkplugs.. but there are a Ton of 1500 Fords and Chevy's parked in fields around here.. All my mechanic buddy's agree that 100,000 miles and many newer dodges are ready for some head work.. You can keep driving them but most dont sound to pretty...
and you CAN get into a chevy for $26,000 but the dodge is much better equiped at that price point... FACT IN zip code 47802
Originally Posted By: OtisBlkR1
I believe dodge is trying this in some respects now with there designs and prices, my opinion hands down some of the sharpest autos on the street today.. but would i buy one ?
I can go down to the local dodge dealer and buy a top of the line all the bells and whistles Big horn all day long for around $26,000 I cant even get into a good Extended chevy silverado 4x4 with half the options for that price.. but ask yourself what your getting for that $26,000 Ive been told many times if you can find a newer Ram with the new Hemi with 100,000 miles on it not ticking like a typewriter youv done well.. that says something..
But man they sure are sharp to look at, and the new cars ? challenger, charger, whoooo-hoooo shnazzy !!
From someone who has owned trucks from all of the Detroit Three that is just biased information from someone who just prefers a GM. If there is that much of a pricing spread when I buy my next pickup the GM salesman will not have a chance.
slide into my neck of the woods, im happy to drive you to the dealers and prove it.. and im not Biased, i like chevy, ford, dodge, and Honda just to name a few.. but plain and simple its a known FACT that the newer 5.7 ltr Hemi is a ticker.. its well documented, dont get me wrong, im not going to hate on dodge, if i wanted a cheap truck to run for 7-9 years and i knew i was trading it in at that point, Dodge would be the way to go.. Atleast in this part of Indiana, the Farmers that truly work trucks will only have one dodge in there fleet and it doesnt come equiped with sparkplugs.. but there are a Ton of 1500 Fords and Chevy's parked in fields around here.. All my mechanic buddy's agree that 100,000 miles and many newer dodges are ready for some head work.. You can keep driving them but most dont sound to pretty...
and you CAN get into a chevy for $26,000 but the dodge is much better equiped at that price point... FACT IN zip code 47802
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Originally Posted By: addyguy
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Say all the bad things you want about 1970's cars....they were bland, ugly, underpowered, badge-engineered, but they SOLD. Even IF someone had a horrible experience with a Vega or a Chevette, chances were good he would upgrade to a larger, more expensive GM car. Many people never went outside GM for their cars, working their way from Chevy's to Caddy's.
I'd love to hear somebody say I'm wrong on this.......
Actually, cars like the Vega and Chevette helped the rise of Japanese cars. When the Vega was introduced, Honda had two cars for the US. Air cooled 600cc 2 cylinder Kei cars (really only one, the N600 and Z600 were mechanically similar) Honda wasn't a car company. It was that company that built little motorcycles that you "met the nicest people on" (and that 750 Four that went like a BSA Rocket 3 but didn't break down after one ride and didn't piddle all over your garage floor)
By the late '70s, if you wanted a Civic, you paid every bit of the sticker price plus dealer mark-up. You want an Accord? Get on the 5 month waiting list.
From nothing to selling every car you can make in less than a decade. That's plenty of the GM "faithful" jumping ship. That's success.
GM's distaste for and unwillingness to do well in small cars was a failure. The bad thing was that they had Opel and Isuzu in house. They had the potential to build a truly great small world car.
Ford was just as bad. Ford had a small import fighter. It was imported, but the Fiesta was certainly a better looking car than the first Tercel and Datsun F10 and may have been a better driver than the Civic. They didn't import many and then goofed up the European Escort for North America. Ford had Mazda which did something neither GM nor Mercedes Benz could do. Build a production Wankel Rotary. GM tried. They failed. They also had Ford Australia, West Germany, and UK. They could have built a small car. We got the Pinto.
Chrysler didn't even try to build their own small car in house until the Neon. Stuff a Volkswagen 1.7 into a French Simca Horizon (later the 2.2) or rebadge a Mitsubishi. That's their small cars.
AMC hacked off the trunk of a Hornet to make their small car entry and then got into bed with Renault.
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Say all the bad things you want about 1970's cars....they were bland, ugly, underpowered, badge-engineered, but they SOLD. Even IF someone had a horrible experience with a Vega or a Chevette, chances were good he would upgrade to a larger, more expensive GM car. Many people never went outside GM for their cars, working their way from Chevy's to Caddy's.
I'd love to hear somebody say I'm wrong on this.......
Actually, cars like the Vega and Chevette helped the rise of Japanese cars. When the Vega was introduced, Honda had two cars for the US. Air cooled 600cc 2 cylinder Kei cars (really only one, the N600 and Z600 were mechanically similar) Honda wasn't a car company. It was that company that built little motorcycles that you "met the nicest people on" (and that 750 Four that went like a BSA Rocket 3 but didn't break down after one ride and didn't piddle all over your garage floor)
By the late '70s, if you wanted a Civic, you paid every bit of the sticker price plus dealer mark-up. You want an Accord? Get on the 5 month waiting list.
From nothing to selling every car you can make in less than a decade. That's plenty of the GM "faithful" jumping ship. That's success.
GM's distaste for and unwillingness to do well in small cars was a failure. The bad thing was that they had Opel and Isuzu in house. They had the potential to build a truly great small world car.
Ford was just as bad. Ford had a small import fighter. It was imported, but the Fiesta was certainly a better looking car than the first Tercel and Datsun F10 and may have been a better driver than the Civic. They didn't import many and then goofed up the European Escort for North America. Ford had Mazda which did something neither GM nor Mercedes Benz could do. Build a production Wankel Rotary. GM tried. They failed. They also had Ford Australia, West Germany, and UK. They could have built a small car. We got the Pinto.
Chrysler didn't even try to build their own small car in house until the Neon. Stuff a Volkswagen 1.7 into a French Simca Horizon (later the 2.2) or rebadge a Mitsubishi. That's their small cars.
AMC hacked off the trunk of a Hornet to make their small car entry and then got into bed with Renault.
Originally Posted By: OtisBlkR1
Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: OtisBlkR1
I believe dodge is trying this in some respects now with there designs and prices, my opinion hands down some of the sharpest autos on the street today.. but would i buy one ?
I can go down to the local dodge dealer and buy a top of the line all the bells and whistles Big horn all day long for around $26,000 I cant even get into a good Extended chevy silverado 4x4 with half the options for that price.. but ask yourself what your getting for that $26,000 Ive been told many times if you can find a newer Ram with the new Hemi with 100,000 miles on it not ticking like a typewriter youv done well.. that says something..
But man they sure are sharp to look at, and the new cars ? challenger, charger, whoooo-hoooo shnazzy !!
From someone who has owned trucks from all of the Detroit Three that is just biased information from someone who just prefers a GM. If there is that much of a pricing spread when I buy my next pickup the GM salesman will not have a chance.
slide into my neck of the woods, im happy to drive you to the dealers and prove it.. and im not Biased, i like chevy, ford, dodge, and Honda just to name a few.. but plain and simple its a known FACT that the newer 5.7 ltr Hemi is a ticker.. its well documented, dont get me wrong, im not going to hate on dodge, if i wanted a cheap truck to run for 7-9 years and i knew i was trading it in at that point, Dodge would be the way to go.. Atleast in this part of Indiana, the Farmers that truly work trucks will only have one dodge in there fleet and it doesnt come equiped with sparkplugs.. but there are a Ton of 1500 Fords and Chevy's parked in fields around here.. All my mechanic buddy's agree that 100,000 miles and many newer dodges are ready for some head work.. You can keep driving them but most dont sound to pretty...
and you CAN get into a chevy for $26,000 but the dodge is much better equiped at that price point... FACT IN zip code 47802
Indiana is mostly pro-GM. It comes to brand loyalty more than anthing else with pickups. This is more true today than ever. Around here is it more Ford and Ram over GM.
Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: OtisBlkR1
I believe dodge is trying this in some respects now with there designs and prices, my opinion hands down some of the sharpest autos on the street today.. but would i buy one ?
I can go down to the local dodge dealer and buy a top of the line all the bells and whistles Big horn all day long for around $26,000 I cant even get into a good Extended chevy silverado 4x4 with half the options for that price.. but ask yourself what your getting for that $26,000 Ive been told many times if you can find a newer Ram with the new Hemi with 100,000 miles on it not ticking like a typewriter youv done well.. that says something..
But man they sure are sharp to look at, and the new cars ? challenger, charger, whoooo-hoooo shnazzy !!
From someone who has owned trucks from all of the Detroit Three that is just biased information from someone who just prefers a GM. If there is that much of a pricing spread when I buy my next pickup the GM salesman will not have a chance.
slide into my neck of the woods, im happy to drive you to the dealers and prove it.. and im not Biased, i like chevy, ford, dodge, and Honda just to name a few.. but plain and simple its a known FACT that the newer 5.7 ltr Hemi is a ticker.. its well documented, dont get me wrong, im not going to hate on dodge, if i wanted a cheap truck to run for 7-9 years and i knew i was trading it in at that point, Dodge would be the way to go.. Atleast in this part of Indiana, the Farmers that truly work trucks will only have one dodge in there fleet and it doesnt come equiped with sparkplugs.. but there are a Ton of 1500 Fords and Chevy's parked in fields around here.. All my mechanic buddy's agree that 100,000 miles and many newer dodges are ready for some head work.. You can keep driving them but most dont sound to pretty...
and you CAN get into a chevy for $26,000 but the dodge is much better equiped at that price point... FACT IN zip code 47802
Indiana is mostly pro-GM. It comes to brand loyalty more than anthing else with pickups. This is more true today than ever. Around here is it more Ford and Ram over GM.
Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: OtisBlkR1
Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: OtisBlkR1
I believe dodge is trying this in some respects now with there designs and prices, my opinion hands down some of the sharpest autos on the street today.. but would i buy one ?
I can go down to the local dodge dealer and buy a top of the line all the bells and whistles Big horn all day long for around $26,000 I cant even get into a good Extended chevy silverado 4x4 with half the options for that price.. but ask yourself what your getting for that $26,000 Ive been told many times if you can find a newer Ram with the new Hemi with 100,000 miles on it not ticking like a typewriter youv done well.. that says something..
But man they sure are sharp to look at, and the new cars ? challenger, charger, whoooo-hoooo shnazzy !!
From someone who has owned trucks from all of the Detroit Three that is just biased information from someone who just prefers a GM. If there is that much of a pricing spread when I buy my next pickup the GM salesman will not have a chance.
slide into my neck of the woods, im happy to drive you to the dealers and prove it.. and im not Biased, i like chevy, ford, dodge, and Honda just to name a few.. but plain and simple its a known FACT that the newer 5.7 ltr Hemi is a ticker.. its well documented, dont get me wrong, im not going to hate on dodge, if i wanted a cheap truck to run for 7-9 years and i knew i was trading it in at that point, Dodge would be the way to go.. Atleast in this part of Indiana, the Farmers that truly work trucks will only have one dodge in there fleet and it doesnt come equiped with sparkplugs.. but there are a Ton of 1500 Fords and Chevy's parked in fields around here.. All my mechanic buddy's agree that 100,000 miles and many newer dodges are ready for some head work.. You can keep driving them but most dont sound to pretty...
and you CAN get into a chevy for $26,000 but the dodge is much better equiped at that price point... FACT IN zip code 47802
Indiana is mostly pro-GM. It comes to brand loyalty more than anthing else with pickups. This is more true today than ever. Around here is it more Ford and Ram over GM.
Originally Posted By: OtisBlkR1
Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: OtisBlkR1
I believe dodge is trying this in some respects now with there designs and prices, my opinion hands down some of the sharpest autos on the street today.. but would i buy one ?
I can go down to the local dodge dealer and buy a top of the line all the bells and whistles Big horn all day long for around $26,000 I cant even get into a good Extended chevy silverado 4x4 with half the options for that price.. but ask yourself what your getting for that $26,000 Ive been told many times if you can find a newer Ram with the new Hemi with 100,000 miles on it not ticking like a typewriter youv done well.. that says something..
But man they sure are sharp to look at, and the new cars ? challenger, charger, whoooo-hoooo shnazzy !!
From someone who has owned trucks from all of the Detroit Three that is just biased information from someone who just prefers a GM. If there is that much of a pricing spread when I buy my next pickup the GM salesman will not have a chance.
slide into my neck of the woods, im happy to drive you to the dealers and prove it.. and im not Biased, i like chevy, ford, dodge, and Honda just to name a few.. but plain and simple its a known FACT that the newer 5.7 ltr Hemi is a ticker.. its well documented, dont get me wrong, im not going to hate on dodge, if i wanted a cheap truck to run for 7-9 years and i knew i was trading it in at that point, Dodge would be the way to go.. Atleast in this part of Indiana, the Farmers that truly work trucks will only have one dodge in there fleet and it doesnt come equiped with sparkplugs.. but there are a Ton of 1500 Fords and Chevy's parked in fields around here.. All my mechanic buddy's agree that 100,000 miles and many newer dodges are ready for some head work.. You can keep driving them but most dont sound to pretty...
and you CAN get into a chevy for $26,000 but the dodge is much better equiped at that price point... FACT IN zip code 47802
Indiana is mostly pro-GM. It comes to brand loyalty more than anthing else with pickups. This is more true today than ever. Around here is it more Ford and Ram over GM.
If by 1988 Every GM car was everything it could have been, the disaster of 2008-2009 would not have happened.
If the "Take one for the team" attitude of older Americans didn't exist GM would have died evn before that.
If the "Take one for the team" attitude of older Americans didn't exist GM would have died evn before that.
Originally Posted By: morris
do you really an other 1955 small block chevy WITH OUT a full flow filter, that vapor locks in the summer, and uses spark plugs as fast as you can put them in. please take your rose colored glasses OFF. but remember i can blast my chryslers better than you can.
only the '55 265ci SBC didnt have an oil filter. starting in '56 they did. the SBC had a fantastic oiling system, the whole engine was a wonderful design that lasted for many decades.
but thats besides the point. each mfgr in their turn (and sometimes at the same time) made some great cars. you can cherry-pick what you like or don't like, but there were great cars to be found in every decade from every mfgr.
as for the so-called GM 'golden age', the only thing ANY of them had was style. for the most part, the chassis and suspensions were primitive.
do you really an other 1955 small block chevy WITH OUT a full flow filter, that vapor locks in the summer, and uses spark plugs as fast as you can put them in. please take your rose colored glasses OFF. but remember i can blast my chryslers better than you can.
only the '55 265ci SBC didnt have an oil filter. starting in '56 they did. the SBC had a fantastic oiling system, the whole engine was a wonderful design that lasted for many decades.
but thats besides the point. each mfgr in their turn (and sometimes at the same time) made some great cars. you can cherry-pick what you like or don't like, but there were great cars to be found in every decade from every mfgr.
as for the so-called GM 'golden age', the only thing ANY of them had was style. for the most part, the chassis and suspensions were primitive.
Saw a "shoebox" 55 ish chevy at a car show. Was amazed (disappointed) that with the hood open the engine compartment just looked like a tractor. Flat upright radiator, battery, engine, that's it. The style was ahead of the powertrain technology. I can just imagine having the engine apart scraping out the leaded gas leftovers, oil sludge, etc. Dealing with points and mechanical voltage regulators. We can build and maintain a better 55 chevy now with just a handful of aftermarket parts and off the shelf fuels and fluids!
And that's before talking about disc brake conversions and radial tires.
Not to pick on chevy; if I looked at a Ford or Dodge from the same era the styling was ahead of the mechanics. (Which we need more of-- eye candy!) What will we remember 2012 cars for? Laggy throttle by wire? Touchscreen 1.0? The last gasp of retro styling ripping off the past?
I hate, hate the combo front/rear bumper cover fascias that have the diagonal crack/seam running out of a light. It's like they couldn't figure out where to put it, and didn't even try to hide it.
And that's before talking about disc brake conversions and radial tires.
Not to pick on chevy; if I looked at a Ford or Dodge from the same era the styling was ahead of the mechanics. (Which we need more of-- eye candy!) What will we remember 2012 cars for? Laggy throttle by wire? Touchscreen 1.0? The last gasp of retro styling ripping off the past?
Originally Posted By: eljefino
Saw a "shoebox" 55 ish chevy at a car show. Was amazed (disappointed) that with the hood open the engine compartment just looked like a tractor. Flat upright radiator, battery, engine, that's it. The style was ahead of the powertrain technology. I can just imagine having the engine apart scraping out the leaded gas leftovers, oil sludge, etc. Dealing with points and mechanical voltage regulators. We can build and maintain a better 55 chevy now with just a handful of aftermarket parts and off the shelf fuels and fluids!
And that's before talking about disc brake conversions and radial tires.
Not to pick on chevy; if I looked at a Ford or Dodge from the same era the styling was ahead of the mechanics. (Which we need more of-- eye candy!) What will we remember 2012 cars for? Laggy throttle by wire? Touchscreen 1.0? The last gasp of retro styling ripping off the past?
But that was always GM's and strength (Styling). From the 50s Chrysler was always the Engineering leader with styling that trailed GM & Ford by a few years and factory squeaks and rattles as standard equipment. Ford had a combination of styling and fit and finish but lagged the other two in chassis and engine.
Saw a "shoebox" 55 ish chevy at a car show. Was amazed (disappointed) that with the hood open the engine compartment just looked like a tractor. Flat upright radiator, battery, engine, that's it. The style was ahead of the powertrain technology. I can just imagine having the engine apart scraping out the leaded gas leftovers, oil sludge, etc. Dealing with points and mechanical voltage regulators. We can build and maintain a better 55 chevy now with just a handful of aftermarket parts and off the shelf fuels and fluids!
And that's before talking about disc brake conversions and radial tires.
Not to pick on chevy; if I looked at a Ford or Dodge from the same era the styling was ahead of the mechanics. (Which we need more of-- eye candy!) What will we remember 2012 cars for? Laggy throttle by wire? Touchscreen 1.0? The last gasp of retro styling ripping off the past?
But that was always GM's and strength (Styling). From the 50s Chrysler was always the Engineering leader with styling that trailed GM & Ford by a few years and factory squeaks and rattles as standard equipment. Ford had a combination of styling and fit and finish but lagged the other two in chassis and engine.
Originally Posted By: Duffman77
But that was always GM's and strength (Styling). From the 50s Chrysler was always the Engineering leader with styling that trailed GM & Ford by a few years and factory squeaks and rattles as standard equipment. Ford had a combination of styling and fit and finish but lagged the other two in chassis and engine.
Chrysler's styling IMO passed the other two in the 1990s. Caravan vs dustbuster/ astro/ aerostar? No contest. Big Rig Ram? LH cars? Everyone was looking at Taurus/Sables until LH came along and were the new aero freaks on the block. Then the mini bentley original (or 2nd gen?) 300 and decent redesign.
Lincoln's been floundering. Cadillac's pretty good for looks but more exclusive. At least they don't look like gussied up buick/olds/pontiacs like the 80s ones did! The flipside is not much has trickled down to Chevy except (IMO) the Silverado/Escalade connection. The Chryslers are approachable to the common man at off lease prices.
But that was always GM's and strength (Styling). From the 50s Chrysler was always the Engineering leader with styling that trailed GM & Ford by a few years and factory squeaks and rattles as standard equipment. Ford had a combination of styling and fit and finish but lagged the other two in chassis and engine.
Chrysler's styling IMO passed the other two in the 1990s. Caravan vs dustbuster/ astro/ aerostar? No contest. Big Rig Ram? LH cars? Everyone was looking at Taurus/Sables until LH came along and were the new aero freaks on the block. Then the mini bentley original (or 2nd gen?) 300 and decent redesign.
Lincoln's been floundering. Cadillac's pretty good for looks but more exclusive. At least they don't look like gussied up buick/olds/pontiacs like the 80s ones did! The flipside is not much has trickled down to Chevy except (IMO) the Silverado/Escalade connection. The Chryslers are approachable to the common man at off lease prices.
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