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Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
E39 cluster:
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If they add an oil pressure gauge under the speedometer just like the oil temperature gauge under the Tachometer, then it will be a perfect instrument.
 
Originally Posted By: Nick R
Originally Posted By: hattaresguy
Well they are German of course they are better, not really a fair comparison IMHO.



That's funny because the cruze is a german car in design. It was designed by Opel, in Russelheim, Germany.


What's even funnier is that Cruze was mostly designed by Deawoo in Korea
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Originally Posted By: KrisZ
Originally Posted By: Nick R
Originally Posted By: hattaresguy
Well they are German of course they are better, not really a fair comparison IMHO.



That's funny because the cruze is a german car in design. It was designed by Opel, in Russelheim, Germany.


What's even funnier is that Cruze was mostly designed by Deawoo in Korea
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Half true. The exterior design was done by Daewoo, but the interior and engineering were all done by Opel.
 
If you "guys" ever get done talking about dashboards, cupholders, and floor mats, before you purchase an Equinox, you might want to research things like:

1. Long-term reliability and maintenance issues with DI.

2. GM's scary electronic steering.

3. Timing belt changes.

4. Safety and reliability ratings...

Especially if your child or SO will be driving the vehicle.

Then again, the OP is looking for a vehicle for the MIL, so the Equinox might be perfect!
 
Originally Posted By: Nick R
Originally Posted By: KrisZ
Originally Posted By: Nick R
Originally Posted By: hattaresguy
Well they are German of course they are better, not really a fair comparison IMHO.



That's funny because the cruze is a german car in design. It was designed by Opel, in Russelheim, Germany.


What's even funnier is that Cruze was mostly designed by Deawoo in Korea
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Half true. The exterior design was done by Daewoo, but the interior and engineering were all done by Opel.


I get that Cruze is a global platform, so obviously many GM divisions were involved, but GM is pretty tight lipped about who exactly did what.

From what I could find, the design was done in Korea and engineering in Germany. To me design includes exterior and interior. I would like to see some more info on that, preferably from people on here that are directly involved with GM, they are more likely to shed some light on this matter.
 
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
If you "guys" ever get done talking about dashboards, cupholders, and floor mats, before you purchase an Equinox, you might want to research things like:

1. Long-term reliability and maintenance issues with DI.

2. GM's scary electronic steering.

3. Timing belt changes.

4. Safety and reliability ratings...

Especially if your child or SO will be driving the vehicle.

Then again, the OP is looking for a vehicle for the MIL, so the Equinox might be perfect!


Hmmm, maybe you should research things...

1. The 2.4L has shown to be pretty robust when it comes to the common issues that plague DI engines. The 3.0L also has been pretty much immune to all the issues that affect the larger 3.6L. There is little out there to suggest large issues with these two engines in particular, just your assumption that DI = bad.

2. Equinox/Terrain uses a rack mounted power steering unit, which is pretty much standard for the entire industry when it comes to electric power steering. It shares nothing with the trouble prone column mounted electric power steering.

3. What timing belt? Both engines use chains.

4. 6 standard airbag, standard stability control, very good LATCH points in the rear seat, available forward collision alert, OnStar, 4+ star NHTSA rating, and Good rating across the board from IIHS.

All that, plus a hit at our manhood because we're talking about interiors?

Here's a tip... quit trolling.
 
If we're being fair, all of the manufacturers web sites are terrible when you actually want to see something or find out a spec.

That's why car review magazines/websites get so much traffic.

Or, gasp... going to a dealer and looking.

The Fusion looked great in pictures on the inside - until I went and looked at one.
 
That was some good clarification! Thanks MrHorsepower!! I appreciate ya. Now Ok back on track...

Since the dashboards were compared to BMW (love it! Dash has basically looked that way for 25 years. Minor variation, modernized. provable FACT) And an Audi dash, can it be accurate fo compare DI to Audi's FSI injection? I still am not clear why they made the switch! Porsche has some FSI engines too.

How good are they? it has been called "An answer in need of a problem."

That said, the Equinox is impressing me because i never actually looked at it. Just dont get a Kia Sportage
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Originally Posted By: cchase
If we're being fair, all of the manufacturers web sites are terrible when you actually want to see something or find out a spec.

That's why car review magazines/websites get so much traffic.

Or, gasp... going to a dealer and looking.

The Fusion looked great in pictures on the inside - until I went and looked at one.


Disagree. LOOK on how Chevy does their interior shots vs others (like I showed in my post)

MAJOR difference. Some are much better than the others in showing the WHOLE interior, seat layout and such.

Others show a On$tar button.....

Bill

PS: Thanks for some members showing HOW to DO a PROPER speedo/tach/info cluster!
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Although one can't argue the reliability of the Honda(CR-V) and the Toyota(RAV4) nor their scoring from the automotive press, folks need to drive the Equinox. I'll tell ya, from someone(me) who has only driven Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Mazda in the past 25+ years, this NOX is one nice and quiet driving small/mid size SUV!

My good buddy bought an '11 4 cyl Nox and the thing is quieter and better riding/handling than my wifes RX-300. I never thought the RX was quiet for a Lexus anyway even when new.

My personal review of the Equinox is that it feels like a much more grown up vehicle compared to the CR-V/RAV4. The Nox's doors close with a much nicer thunk, ride more comfortable and stable and just feels more substantial than the Honda/Toyota. The Nox's 4 cyl doesn't suck either.

I have always been(the last 25+ yrs) partial to the forign makes due to my personal experience(reliability) but, I think this is changing and I don't think that the domestic vehicles are disastorous either, the way they once were...In my personal experience!!!

My buddy has had this '11 Nox almost 1 year without issues and he claims it's the best vehicle he has ever owned. He has has many Chevy's in the last 35 years that we've known one another.

He and I test drove many SUV's before he picked the Equinox and I have to agree with his choice. The Nox is just plain & simple..."nicer to drive"!!! It's solid, very quiet and mature feeling. He and his wife's largest concern is the view outward in the rear and to the sides. But, all vehicles are getting this way to some degree.

One would have to test drive many vehicles in this class and pick the one that best suits their needs and the Nox may not be right for everyone but, you gotta test'em all!
 
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Originally Posted By: Char Baby
Although one can't argue the reliability of the Honda(CR-V) and the Toyota(RAV4) nor their scoring from the automotive press, folks need to drive the Equinox. I'll tell ya, from someone(me) who has only driven Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Mazda in the past 25+ years, this NOX is one nice and quiet driving small/mid size SUV!

My good buddy bought an '11 4 cyl Nox and the thing is quieter and better riding/handling than my wifes RX-300. I never thought the RX was quiet for a Lexus anyway even when new.

My personal review of the Equinox is that it feels like a much more grown up vehicle compared to the CR-V/RAV4. The Nox's doors close with a much nicer thunk, ride more comfortable and stable and just feels more substantial than the Honda/Toyota. The Nox's 4 cyl doesn't suck either.

I have always been(the last 25+ yrs) partial to the forign makes due to my personal experience(reliability) but, I think this is changing and I don't think that the domestic vehicles are disastorous either, the way they once were...In my personal experience!!!

My buddy has had this '11 Nox almost 1 year without issues and he claims it's the best vehicle he has ever owned. He has has many Chevy's in the last 35 years that we've known one another.

He and I test drove many SUV's before he picked the Equinox and I have to agree with his choice. The Nox is just plain & simple..."nicer to drive"!!! It's solid, very quiet and mature feeling. He and his wife's largest concern is the view outward in the rear and to the sides. But, all vehicles are getting this way to some degree.

One would have to test drive many vehicles in this class and pick the one that best suits their needs and the Nox may not be right for everyone but, you gotta test'em all!


This assessment is similar to what the automotive press has reported.

In its price class, the Equinox is the top rated "Affordable SUV" on the market.

I've not bought a US brand (new) since 1991....but it's time to consider one again.

Ford and GM are more than competitive today...and this is coming from someone who has family members working for both and have said "I'll never buy another American made car again". I was wrong.
 
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
If you "guys" ever get done talking about dashboards, cupholders, and floor mats, before you purchase an Equinox, you might want to research things like:

1. Long-term reliability and maintenance issues with DI.

2. GM's scary electronic steering.

3. Timing belt changes.

4. Safety and reliability ratings...

Especially if your child or SO will be driving the vehicle.

Then again, the OP is looking for a vehicle for the MIL, so the Equinox might be perfect!


I couldn't agree with you more! But, as I stated above I don't think that the Equinox is going to be disastorous either.

I should have added that I also drove another friends GMC Terrain 4 cyl(the Chevy's sibling) and it too was a nice piece of work. It should be, it's the same vehicle with a bit more edgey body work!

Although GMC's repair history seems to be worst than Chevrolet's
 
Originally Posted By: digitalSniperX1
Originally Posted By: Char Baby
Although one can't argue the reliability of the Honda(CR-V) and the Toyota(RAV4) nor their scoring from the automotive press, folks need to drive the Equinox. I'll tell ya, from someone(me) who has only driven Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Mazda in the past 25+ years, this NOX is one nice and quiet driving small/mid size SUV!

My good buddy bought an '11 4 cyl Nox and the thing is quieter and better riding/handling than my wifes RX-300. I never thought the RX was quiet for a Lexus anyway even when new.

My personal review of the Equinox is that it feels like a much more grown up vehicle compared to the CR-V/RAV4. The Nox's doors close with a much nicer thunk, ride more comfortable and stable and just feels more substantial than the Honda/Toyota. The Nox's 4 cyl doesn't suck either.

I have always been(the last 25+ yrs) partial to the forign makes due to my personal experience(reliability) but, I think this is changing and I don't think that the domestic vehicles are disastorous either, the way they once were...In my personal experience!!!

My buddy has had this '11 Nox almost 1 year without issues and he claims it's the best vehicle he has ever owned. He has has many Chevy's in the last 35 years that we've known one another.

He and I test drove many SUV's before he picked the Equinox and I have to agree with his choice. The Nox is just plain & simple..."nicer to drive"!!! It's solid, very quiet and mature feeling. He and his wife's largest concern is the view outward in the rear and to the sides. But, all vehicles are getting this way to some degree.

One would have to test drive many vehicles in this class and pick the one that best suits their needs and the Nox may not be right for everyone but, you gotta test'em all!


This assessment is similar to what the automotive press has reported.

In its price class, the Equinox is the top rated "Affordable SUV" on the market.

I've not bought a US brand (new) since 1991....but it's time to consider one again.

Ford and GM are more than competitive today...and this is coming from someone who has family members working for both and have said "I'll never buy another American made car again". I was wrong.




Read magazines with a grain of salt. Many are just paid advertising.

What works well is talk to owners that drive the vehicle you are looking at buying. Store lots and gas stations work well. Most people are more than happy to tell you how good or bad their vehicle is.
 
Well let's put it this way fella....I see you own a CR-V and probably partial to it.

I'll tell you how impartial I am. I own an Acura RDX. While I do like it, if having to make the decision today between an RDX and an Equinox...the only things in favor of the RDX is its handling, MAYBE reliability, and resale value.

In almost all other aspects, the Equinox beats it. And I wasn't paid for saying that.
 
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
Originally Posted By: digitalSniperX1
Originally Posted By: Char Baby
Although one can't argue the reliability of the Honda(CR-V) and the Toyota(RAV4) nor their scoring from the automotive press, folks need to drive the Equinox. I'll tell ya, from someone(me) who has only driven Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Mazda in the past 25+ years, this NOX is one nice and quiet driving small/mid size SUV!

My good buddy bought an '11 4 cyl Nox and the thing is quieter and better riding/handling than my wifes RX-300. I never thought the RX was quiet for a Lexus anyway even when new.

My personal review of the Equinox is that it feels like a much more grown up vehicle compared to the CR-V/RAV4. The Nox's doors close with a much nicer thunk, ride more comfortable and stable and just feels more substantial than the Honda/Toyota. The Nox's 4 cyl doesn't suck either.

I have always been(the last 25+ yrs) partial to the forign makes due to my personal experience(reliability) but, I think this is changing and I don't think that the domestic vehicles are disastorous either, the way they once were...In my personal experience!!!

My buddy has had this '11 Nox almost 1 year without issues and he claims it's the best vehicle he has ever owned. He has has many Chevy's in the last 35 years that we've known one another.

He and I test drove many SUV's before he picked the Equinox and I have to agree with his choice. The Nox is just plain & simple..."nicer to drive"!!! It's solid, very quiet and mature feeling. He and his wife's largest concern is the view outward in the rear and to the sides. But, all vehicles are getting this way to some degree.

One would have to test drive many vehicles in this class and pick the one that best suits their needs and the Nox may not be right for everyone but, you gotta test'em all!


This assessment is similar to what the automotive press has reported.

In its price class, the Equinox is the top rated "Affordable SUV" on the market.

I've not bought a US brand (new) since 1991....but it's time to consider one again.

Ford and GM are more than competitive today...and this is coming from someone who has family members working for both and have said "I'll never buy another American made car again". I was wrong.




Read magazines with a grain of salt. Many are just paid advertising.

What works well is talk to owners that drive the vehicle you are looking at buying. Store lots and gas stations work well. Most people are more than happy to tell you how good or bad their vehicle is.



When we bought our new cars, we did compare them to the others, simply out of curiosity. Are we Ford/GM supporters? Yes we are, but we gave the others a fair chance. The equinox just feels flat out better than the CR-V and RAV4. It's quieter, better put together, more controlled ride, more comfortable. Add to that the most features for the money, and it was a winner. Same reason my parents bought the 2003 Expedition back in 02, because at the time it was the best large SUV, redesigned with IRS, a nice interior, and sharp handling and ride, for an SUV (Thanks to the IRS). I read the mags, but I do actually use my own observations to form an opinion.
 
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Originally Posted By: Char Baby
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
If you "guys" ever get done talking about dashboards, cupholders, and floor mats, before you purchase an Equinox, you might want to research things like:

1. Long-term reliability and maintenance issues with DI.

2. GM's scary electronic steering.

3. Timing belt changes.

4. Safety and reliability ratings...

Especially if your child or SO will be driving the vehicle.

Then again, the OP is looking for a vehicle for the MIL, so the Equinox might be perfect!


I couldn't agree with you more! But, as I stated above I don't think that the Equinox is going to be disastorous either.

I should have added that I also drove another friends GMC Terrain 4 cyl(the Chevy's sibling) and it too was a nice piece of work. It should be, it's the same vehicle with a bit more edgey body work!

Although GMC's repair history seems to be worst than Chevrolet's


The only thing with the 2011 model year Equinox/Terrains that i know really, is the 2.4L had a few problems with the VVT Camshaft Actuators, solenoids. There is fix out for it, but GM seems to be eager to just replace the vehicle with a 2012 at no charge. The 2012 doesn't appear to suffer from the same problem. But then, Toyota had the same problem with THEIR 4 cylinder, so you can't just point at it and say "SEE!? GM IS UNRELIABLE!"
 
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Originally Posted By: digitalSniperX1
Well let's put it this way fella....I see you own a CR-V and probably partial to it.

I'll tell you how impartial I am. I own an Acura RDX. While I do like it, if having to make the decision today between an RDX and an Equinox...the only thing in favor of the RDX is its handling, MAYBE reliability, and resale value.

In almost all other aspects, the Equinox beats it. And I wasn't paid for saying that.


Okay fella....but you got it a little wrong.

Yes, I traded the GM for the Honda. I let the wife drive it because of the worldclass reliability. I don't care if she likes the dashboard layout. When we first looked at the CR-V, the first words out of her mouth was that she thought it was ugly.


I'm not partial to any vehicle. In the end, all that matters is that it gets me and the wife from point "A" to point "B" and back. You place handling (which can be a safety issue), reliability, and resale value in the backseat to "almost all other aspects". Your money, your life, do what you want.

I drive the Astro cargo van which has been rock soild so far and hauls my manly tools.

If the CR-V is as reliable as people say, I may upgrade the wife to an RDX.

I was not paid to say any of that.
 
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
Originally Posted By: digitalSniperX1
Well let's put it this way fella....I see you own a CR-V and probably partial to it.

I'll tell you how impartial I am. I own an Acura RDX. While I do like it, if having to make the decision today between an RDX and an Equinox...the only thing in favor of the RDX is its handling, MAYBE reliability, and resale value.

In almost all other aspects, the Equinox beats it. And I wasn't paid for saying that.


Okay fella....but you got it a little wrong.

Yes, I traded the GM for the Honda. I let the wife drive it because of the worldclass reliability. I don't care if she likes the dashboard layout. When we first looked at the CR-V, the first words out of her mouth was that she thought it was ugly.


I'm not partial to any vehicle. In the end, all that matters is that it gets me and the wife from point "A" to point "B" and back. You place handling (which can be a safety issue), reliability, and resale value in the backseat to "almost all other aspects". Your money, your life, do what you want.

I drive the Astro cargo van which has been rock soild so far and hauls my manly tools.

If the CR-V is as reliable as people say, I may upgrade the wife to an RDX.

I was not paid to say any of that.


I guess you probably don't want to hear about the client my mom had who had the transmission on her brand new civic die TWICE within 1 year of her purchasing it. =\
 
Haha...a statement full of contradictions whether you know it or not.

1. An RDX out handles an Equinox. A CR-V does not. Your wife is in danger. BTW, an RDX can out handle some so called sports sedans.

2. An Astro is one of the most UNSAFE vehicles on the planet. You should check that out. And statistically it's VERY unreliable and they handle like wheelbarrows. You are in danger.


And finally, the resale value and reliability are TBD's. I'd bet on the resale value being better with an Acura over Chevy though. But....then there is the initial price to consider for a what I'd consider, giving my personal weightings to it, a lesser vehicle at a higher price. The Chevy's is lower. Considering some of Honda's transmission issues in the past few years, especially with their heavier and more powerful cars....not so sure about reliability.
 
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