Gimic or proven tech ?
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I don't know about you, but I would NOT want to wash an oil filter. Can you imagine the mess? I'd rather take a filter off, pitch it, and throw on a new filter.
I agree. At least they could provide a customer with two cartridges so one could be cleaned beforehand. Perhaps soaking a used cartridge in solvent would make the cleaning process easier.
In any event, until someone buys one of these and does a UOA with a PC to see how it performs under real world conditions compared to a cheapo spin on filter, I guess we'll never know. You might do a search, maybe someone has already, and I missed it.
Member GeorgeCLS claims to be a filter expert, if you're lucky, maybe he'll chime in on the potential of such a product. It may be useful in a race engine where flow trumps any long term oil cleaning need, or, where a bypass filter is also incorporated.
Doubt that a steel mesh would be fine enough to filter as well as the paper or other newer material.
Also, washing in solvent might clean the oil out, but chips that are stuck in the media would stay there, and reduce the capacity of the media.
NOT ME
Also, washing in solvent might clean the oil out, but chips that are stuck in the media would stay there, and reduce the capacity of the media.
NOT ME
I think I'd also want more than a 3 thread engagement of the cover, especially in a high pressure application.
There was a guy over at TDR that was going to give one of these a try on a Cummins...don't know how he ever made out...
Oh, and I agree with everything said already...Not sure it would filter finely enough, probably very messy to clean, and not sure I would want another thing that might come apart.
Let alone the potential for "operator error".
steved
Oh, and I agree with everything said already...Not sure it would filter finely enough, probably very messy to clean, and not sure I would want another thing that might come apart.
Let alone the potential for "operator error".
steved
Am I seeing the price correctly? $200 for a filter. I don't think the average driver would need one of these. I do about 4 oil changes a year and the filters run about $5 each-that's $20 a year. At $200 a pop for the filter, that's 10 years of filters for me. I wont even own the same car in 10 years.
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I'll pile on here. The cost makes spin-ons look way too favorable. You're looking at a potential for about 75-100 filter service intervals for comparative cost. You may, if you're lucky, keep a car that long. Assuming that you're waiting until you're out of warranty, the likelihood drops a good bit. There's also no trade in offered. The odds of the next car you buy having the same thread/gasket combo (or even being a spin-on) are pretty slim.
Anyone ever hear of an O-Berg filter. Same stuff. They just kept the media flat and spread the oil out. Whatever. Get me an EaO and call it a week.
I am not an Amsoil PC or Dealer yet.
I am not an Amsoil PC or Dealer yet.
Screen filters are just that; screen doors, relative to microglass elements. The major disdvantage to screen filters is dirt holding capacity: very limited. In certain high pressure applications where screens must be used, they are generally in paralell circuits with electric alarm by pass notification so they can be cross streamed for cleaning, which occurs frequently.
And in real world testing, the screen filter would very likely not return the performance of a high quality glass cellulose filter and not in the same world as a full microglass media filter.
I do not "claim" to be an oil filter expert. I do work every day in commercial on and off highway lubrication along with industrial lubes as an engineer, with real world filtration issues and problem solving being at the center of most of what I do. It is my job and I share what my real world experiences are in relation to filtration..
George Morrison, STLE CLS
And in real world testing, the screen filter would very likely not return the performance of a high quality glass cellulose filter and not in the same world as a full microglass media filter.
I do not "claim" to be an oil filter expert. I do work every day in commercial on and off highway lubrication along with industrial lubes as an engineer, with real world filtration issues and problem solving being at the center of most of what I do. It is my job and I share what my real world experiences are in relation to filtration..
George Morrison, STLE CLS
Should I wash in the DISH WASHER or in with LAUNDRY ?
What accredited engineering curriculum does that fall under?
I imagine that was said in the voice of Sergeant William Schumann (Woody Harrelson) in Wag the Dog.
They may be good for a race car so you can see all the metal.
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90% (more efficient than paper) for 30 micron "and smaller"? Seems ineffective to me. Maybe the advantages are flow, and disposal issues. Seems that cleaning would be tricky, too. If you just dumped it in a bath, the dirt would migrate over to the clean side. Did someone say $200.00????
90% (more efficient than paper) for 30 micron "and smaller"? Seems ineffective to me. Maybe the advantages are flow, and disposal issues. Seems that cleaning would be tricky, too. If you just dumped it in a bath, the dirt would migrate over to the clean side. Did someone say $200.00????
Yes. The previously mentioned Obergs were also designed "for race use only". I'm guessing in a high flow, very low time racing engine OCI, both of these are OK, even desireable. Especially with the added benefit of inspection upon cleaning, without having to cut open the can EVERY filter change. I would NEVER use one in a street driven, "normal" OCI/filter change vehicle, though.
This page has some claims that don't make a bit of sense to me.
About their filter: "25 Micron No Restriction. Filters down to 5 micron particles. 90% more efficient than throw-away oil filters."
About a Name Brand Throw Away Filter: "5 Micron Material Oil is 12 Microns; it can’t go through a 5 micron material. *Oil flows BY, NOT THROUGH."
WTH? In one sentence they claim that their filter grabs particles as small as 5 microns, and in the next they make the (highly dubious) claim that oil molecules themselves are 12 microns, and won't flow through "5 micron material" at all. Perpetual 100% bypass, apparently.
I smell a large amount of horse dung.
About their filter: "25 Micron No Restriction. Filters down to 5 micron particles. 90% more efficient than throw-away oil filters."
About a Name Brand Throw Away Filter: "5 Micron Material Oil is 12 Microns; it can’t go through a 5 micron material. *Oil flows BY, NOT THROUGH."
WTH? In one sentence they claim that their filter grabs particles as small as 5 microns, and in the next they make the (highly dubious) claim that oil molecules themselves are 12 microns, and won't flow through "5 micron material" at all. Perpetual 100% bypass, apparently.
I smell a large amount of horse dung.
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Well, I think you're surely seeing a misleading depiction of the comparative throw away filter.
Their assertion is that their filter is a 25um filter that filters "down to" 5um. I'm sure that most filters have a beta number that can be figured @ 5um ...it may be in some fractional contrived number (1.1, 1.01, 1.0001, etc.
). Essentially that "some" 5um particles are trapped.
Their assertion is that their filter is a 25um filter that filters "down to" 5um. I'm sure that most filters have a beta number that can be figured @ 5um ...it may be in some fractional contrived number (1.1, 1.01, 1.0001, etc.
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