gas prices...

[friendly_jacek]

Originally Posted By: Cutehumor
I think all car makers shouild put hybrids in all vehicles or be working on hybrid or electric technology. I'm sick of the yo-yo gas prices. this is getting old fast.


Hybrids are available from most car makers. it's the general publick is slow to adopt them. If everyone switched to hybrids, we would not have oil shortage now and arabs and oil companies would be in sad shape.

It's sad that general public was brainwashed by some powers that hybrids are bad.

When I switched from corolla to prius, I cut my gas consumption exactly in half. Will convert to plug in when gas goes closer to $10.

 

[KrisZ]

What makes you think we have oil shortage? Just because prices are going up, doesn't mean we have a shortage.

Also, hybrids are ok cars, but will not fit everybody's needs. So instead of thinking that everybody is brainwashed, perhaps you should look at ROI of some of these hybrids. Just because they use less gas, doesn't mean you will be saving money. I guess the government is brain washed as well, after all they did cut their orders on Volt.

Bottom line is that just because a specific hybrid car works for you, it doesn’t automatically make them a no brainer for every one else. We cannot start saving gas at all costs, it doesn't make sense.

 

[rshaw125]

Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
yap, most people live in a denial despite obvious evidence. Same with climate change.


I don't think anyone denies climate change...only that man is causing it...


Right the climate is and has always been changing.
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Interesting comment from Ron Paul this afternoon in Congress. An ounce of silver bought 4 gallons of gas in 2006 today it buys 11 gallons. Oil/gas has only gone up in dollar terms.Thanks Federal reserve /Washington.

 

[lovcom]

Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
Originally Posted By: Cutehumor
I think all car makers shouild put hybrids in all vehicles or be working on hybrid or electric technology. I'm sick of the yo-yo gas prices. this is getting old fast.


Hybrids are available from most car makers. it's the general publick is slow to adopt them. If everyone switched to hybrids, we would not have oil shortage now and arabs and oil companies would be in sad shape.

It's sad that general public was brainwashed by some powers that hybrids are bad.

When I switched from corolla to prius, I cut my gas consumption exactly in half. Will convert to plug in when gas goes closer to $10.


You got it wrong...the public has not taken to hybrids because they are not cost-effective. It's not for the reason that you stated.

For example, the cost of ownership of a Toyota Yaris is less then a Toyota Prius eventhough the Prius gets better MPG.

If you taken the time to run the numbers, you'd find that Toyota makes other cars that have a lower cost of ownership then the Prius. So did you really save much $$ replacing the Corolla? I doubt it, or if you did it was not much.

Until car makers make the cost of ownership on par or less then a gas-only economy car, the public will not embrace Hybrids.

 

[lovcom]

Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: lovcom
Originally Posted By: 3311
It is absolute insanity that the people in one of the most oil rich countries in the world is paying this much for gas.

Obviously the ravaged dollar, ridiculously slow permitting, refusal to open open up untapped proven reserves, bogus enviro studies, unregulated speculators and many other things play a huge part in it but it is still disgusting.


There in lies the true problem. People like you have this dillusion that America has a lot of oil. It does not. We are nearly dry, and the "big" finds in and around Wyoming and surrounding states would not feed our addition but for a few short years. Yes, things are that bad.


Except for all the oil we have in shale...that's enough to last us severel hunderd years...


No, that is not true. The amount of oil stuck in shale would only last this country a dacade at the current rate of consumption.

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted By: lovcom
Originally Posted By: grampi
Except for all the oil we have in shale...that's enough to last us severel hunderd years...

No, that is not true. The amount of oil stuck in shale would only last this country a dacade at the current rate of consumption.

Better check again...

 

[kschachn]

This is so true. I got into such an argument with a coworker when he bought a Prius, comparing that against my ECHO. The dude just wouldn't listen to reason, perhaps because it didn't fit his political philosophy or perhaps because he just dropped twice as much cash on his Prius. I just never see how he's going to drive that enough miles to make up the difference.

Originally Posted By: lovcom

You got it wrong...the public has not taken to hybrids because they are not cost-effective. It's not for the reason that you stated.

For example, the cost of ownership of a Toyota Yaris is less then a Toyota Prius even though the Prius gets better MPG.

 

[moving2]

Originally Posted By: grampi

Who's Noone?


"Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people." --Eleanor Roosevelt

"Tiny minds discuss spelling and grammar." --Me

 

[mechanicx]

Originally Posted By: rshaw125
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Interesting comment from Ron Paul this afternoon in Congress. An ounce of silver bought 4 gallons of gas in 2006 today it buys 11 gallons. Oil/gas has only gone up in dollar terms.Thanks Federal reserve /Washington.


I don't think that has anything to do with gas going from $3.19 to $3.79 in a few days. The value of the dollar didn't change that much that fast and nothing else has changed 20% in price basically overnight.

 

[rshaw125]

Originally Posted By: mechanicx
Originally Posted By: rshaw125
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Interesting comment from Ron Paul this afternoon in Congress. An ounce of silver bought 4 gallons of gas in 2006 today it buys 11 gallons. Oil/gas has only gone up in dollar terms.Thanks Federal reserve /Washington.


I don't think that has anything to do with gas going from $3.19 to $3.79 in a few days. The value of the dollar didn't change that much that fast and nothing else has changed 20% in price basically overnight.


Of course not. He's talking about the gradual debasing of the dollar. The rise of a barrel of oil from $30 to $110.

 

[mechanicx]

Originally Posted By: rshaw125
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
Originally Posted By: rshaw125
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Interesting comment from Ron Paul this afternoon in Congress. An ounce of silver bought 4 gallons of gas in 2006 today it buys 11 gallons. Oil/gas has only gone up in dollar terms.Thanks Federal reserve /Washington.


I don't think that has anything to do with gas going from $3.19 to $3.79 in a few days. The value of the dollar didn't change that much that fast and nothing else has changed 20% in price basically overnight.


Of course not. He's talking about the gradual debasing of the dollar. The rise of a barrel of oil from $30 to $110.


I don't disagree with the debasing of the dollar but oil prices suddenly doubled and tripled almost overnight a few years back. The debased dollar would account for going from $30 to a solid $60/bbl or so but not $80-110.

 

[rshaw125]

Originally Posted By: mechanicx
Originally Posted By: rshaw125
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
Originally Posted By: rshaw125
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Interesting comment from Ron Paul this afternoon in Congress. An ounce of silver bought 4 gallons of gas in 2006 today it buys 11 gallons. Oil/gas has only gone up in dollar terms.Thanks Federal reserve /Washington.


I don't think that has anything to do with gas going from $3.19 to $3.79 in a few days. The value of the dollar didn't change that much that fast and nothing else has changed 20% in price basically overnight.


Of course not. He's talking about the gradual debasing of the dollar. The rise of a barrel of oil from $30 to $110.


I don't disagree with the debasing of the dollar but oil prices suddenly doubled and tripled almost overnight a few years back. The debased dollar would account for going from $30 to a solid $60/bbl or so but not $80-110.



Too small a time range. The scholars are concerned with yearly trends. As printing of money (quantitative easing) has
occurred the value of oil in dollars has increased. Compared to the price of gold it has stayed more or less the same.

http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/libra...rary_node=25113

 

[Merkava_4]

We're up to $4.15 and 9/10ths at the local Arco station.

 

[The Critic]

Originally Posted By: kschachn
This is so true. I got into such an argument with a coworker when he bought a Prius, comparing that against my ECHO. The dude just wouldn't listen to reason, perhaps because it didn't fit his political philosophy or perhaps because he just dropped twice as much cash on his Prius. I just never see how he's going to drive that enough miles to make up the difference.

Originally Posted By: lovcom

You got it wrong...the public has not taken to hybrids because they are not cost-effective. It's not for the reason that you stated.
Hybrids are cost-effective when compared to other vehicles in their segment.

An echo/yaris is a B-segment vehicle, which is far different than what the Prius competes against. The Prius C is the new B-segment that is aimed towards the sub 20k market.



Of course, if your only purpose is to seek a high-mpg vehicle at the lowest cost possible, then a hybrid may not be the best choice. But if you desire a very efficient vehicle that is actually comparable in size and utility to much larger vehicles, then give the Prius a serious consideration.
For example, the cost of ownership of a Toyota Yaris is less then a Toyota Prius even though the Prius gets better MPG.

 

[friendly_jacek]

Originally Posted By: lovcom

You got it wrong...the public has not taken to hybrids because they are not cost-effective. It's not for the reason that you stated.

For example, the cost of ownership of a Toyota Yaris is less then a Toyota Prius eventhough the Prius gets better MPG.

If you taken the time to run the numbers, you'd find that Toyota makes other cars that have a lower cost of ownership then the Prius. So did you really save much $$ replacing the Corolla? I doubt it, or if you did it was not much.

Until car makers make the cost of ownership on par or less then a gas-only economy car, the public will not embrace Hybrids.


No, you have it wrong! I rented once yaris and that thing feels like 1/3 of prius driving comfort wise and gets worse MPG.

Compare apples to apples please. If I didn't buy prius, I would have to buy camry instead and incidentally, I would have paid similar money, except prius gives me more than twice MPG.

And there is another aspect, not just money. The aspect of altruism and conserving of finite resources.

I don't feel we should be paying all that oil money to hostile and/or dictatorial countries, when there is an alternative.

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted By: moving2
Originally Posted By: grampi

Who's Noone?


"Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people." --Eleanor Roosevelt

"Tiny minds discuss spelling and grammar." --Me


I thought he was referring to a person, you goober...

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted By: mechanicx
Originally Posted By: rshaw125
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
Originally Posted By: rshaw125
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Interesting comment from Ron Paul this afternoon in Congress. An ounce of silver bought 4 gallons of gas in 2006 today it buys 11 gallons. Oil/gas has only gone up in dollar terms.Thanks Federal reserve /Washington.


I don't think that has anything to do with gas going from $3.19 to $3.79 in a few days. The value of the dollar didn't change that much that fast and nothing else has changed 20% in price basically overnight.


Of course not. He's talking about the gradual debasing of the dollar. The rise of a barrel of oil from $30 to $110.


I don't disagree with the debasing of the dollar but oil prices suddenly doubled and tripled almost overnight a few years back. The debased dollar would account for going from $30 to a solid $60/bbl or so but not $80-110.


Exactly. The drop in the dollar's value accounts for some of the increase, but most is caused by rampant and unregulated speculation, and the fact there are no other energy sources to compete with gas/diesel...

 

[rshaw125]

You're missing the point. In terms of the price of gold oil/gas has not increased in price. It has only increased in dollar terms. The speculators are just delivering the bad news. The dollar's strength is negatively correlated to the price of oil. The graph illustrates this well. This is what Ron Paul was stating to Ben Bernake yesterday.
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And tellingly Bernake did not disagree with Ron Paul.

 

[SteveSRT8]

How could he? he's been printing money like a nut case for years now.

Can we have TWO presidents? I want one for interior and fiscal policy and another to run the military!

 

[kschachn]

My coworker's stated reason for buying the Prius was to save money, that the Prius would be so much cheaper to drive. There's just no way that is ever going to happen given the purchase price and the relatively small differential in MPG between these cars.

And I agree we should give less money to hostile nations. Someone ought to remind someone that next time a certain oil pipeline comes up again

Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
No, you have it wrong! I rented once yaris and that thing feels like 1/3 of prius driving comfort wise and gets worse MPG.

Compare apples to apples please. If I didn't buy prius, I would have to buy camry instead and incidentally, I would have paid similar money, except prius gives me more than twice MPG.

And there is another aspect, not just money. The aspect of altruism and conserving of finite resources.

I don't feel we should be paying all that oil money to hostile and/or dictatorial countries, when there is an alternative.