Fun in California with the water district.
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Classic moral hazard. If I put in a pin-base CFL lighting fixture that only takes CFLs I have to fit un-subsidized lamps to it at $6 a pop. But if I use an edison base fixture I can get them for 4 cents apiece.
Are they still allowing new housing in your town? That's where people should direct their vitriol, IMO.
Are they still allowing new housing in your town? That's where people should direct their vitriol, IMO.
Originally Posted By: OneEyeJack
Our government has been taken over by those that are totally incompetent. There answer it everything is more laws and more taxes. They have no other solutions.
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Our government has been taken over by those that are totally incompetent. There answer it everything is more laws and more taxes. They have no other solutions.
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Originally Posted By: Shannow
Arnie was just on one of our Oz shows, explaining that California needs to build the infrastructure to hold the water before it gets to the ocean, or ante up to separate the water from the ocean after it gets there.
Just a couple of hundred BILLION or so will probably work!
Ole One Eye nailed it!
Arnie was just on one of our Oz shows, explaining that California needs to build the infrastructure to hold the water before it gets to the ocean, or ante up to separate the water from the ocean after it gets there.
Just a couple of hundred BILLION or so will probably work!
Ole One Eye nailed it!
Originally Posted By: umungus1122
How about rain barrels? You could fill several 55 gal. drums from the down spouts.
1. No rain
2. Rain barrels were made illegal here. Apparently we promised runoff water to Mexico and we don't want to anger them.
How about rain barrels? You could fill several 55 gal. drums from the down spouts.
1. No rain
2. Rain barrels were made illegal here. Apparently we promised runoff water to Mexico and we don't want to anger them.
I think the course of action I would take is, wait until they impose whatever penalty, then file in small claims court. The issue of fairness has to be reflected in any overall conservation plan.
What year are they using for the base number? What do they do if a property changes hands? Way too many possible inequities for them to win in court. When they find out they are headed to court, you will probably have them right where you want them. Imagine how this would play out in the press.
In fact, you could take it to the press now......Or one of those TV news "We fix your problem" segments. Good luck.
What year are they using for the base number? What do they do if a property changes hands? Way too many possible inequities for them to win in court. When they find out they are headed to court, you will probably have them right where you want them. Imagine how this would play out in the press.
In fact, you could take it to the press now......Or one of those TV news "We fix your problem" segments. Good luck.
Meanwhile, in flyover country, streets and alleys turn into raging streams from nearly unprecedented rainfall, existing rivers and streams swallow up their banks and surroundings, stuff floats away, cops shoot people trying to save their stuff, cats chase dogs, it's chaos ...
Wish I could send you just the water I had in the back of my office. Not to mention the water I had in the other places. I was worried our lake house might be in the lake.
Wish I could help with your bureaucracy. I hate to say it, but maybe you need to talk to a lawyer.
Wish I could send you just the water I had in the back of my office. Not to mention the water I had in the other places. I was worried our lake house might be in the lake.
Wish I could help with your bureaucracy. I hate to say it, but maybe you need to talk to a lawyer.
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Meanwhile in AZ, our city parks are watered with sprinklers during the rain. I took this picture this morning.
Originally Posted By: bdcardinal
Originally Posted By: umungus1122
How about rain barrels? You could fill several 55 gal. drums from the down spouts.
1. No rain
2. Rain barrels were made illegal here. Apparently we promised runoff water to Mexico and we don't want to anger them.
Actually, it looks like collecting rain water from rooftops is now legal in California (since 2012). It appears to be illegal almost everywhere else in the West due to water rights. http://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/californias-rainwater-recapture-act-let-66504/
I started conserving water early, too. I do a lot of the things that HTSS_TR lists. A little more extreme (no lawn at all, etc.). It sucks that people who saw the light early are now being penalized for it.
Edit - Also, water theft does occur. One of my friends has some rental property, and when it was unoccupied for a while, the water consumption was really high (much higher than when occupied). There are some RV / homeless in the area who have filled up their tanks from homes as well. I have these on the front faucets. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001U20MS2
Originally Posted By: umungus1122
How about rain barrels? You could fill several 55 gal. drums from the down spouts.
1. No rain
2. Rain barrels were made illegal here. Apparently we promised runoff water to Mexico and we don't want to anger them.
Actually, it looks like collecting rain water from rooftops is now legal in California (since 2012). It appears to be illegal almost everywhere else in the West due to water rights. http://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/californias-rainwater-recapture-act-let-66504/
I started conserving water early, too. I do a lot of the things that HTSS_TR lists. A little more extreme (no lawn at all, etc.). It sucks that people who saw the light early are now being penalized for it.
Edit - Also, water theft does occur. One of my friends has some rental property, and when it was unoccupied for a while, the water consumption was really high (much higher than when occupied). There are some RV / homeless in the area who have filled up their tanks from homes as well. I have these on the front faucets. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001U20MS2
Originally Posted By: bdcardinal
Originally Posted By: umungus1122
How about rain barrels? You could fill several 55 gal. drums from the down spouts.
2. Rain barrels were made illegal here.
I would think that if you installed them underground (yourself) that you could get away with it.
Originally Posted By: umungus1122
How about rain barrels? You could fill several 55 gal. drums from the down spouts.
2. Rain barrels were made illegal here.
I would think that if you installed them underground (yourself) that you could get away with it.
Originally Posted By: zzyzzx
Originally Posted By: bdcardinal
Originally Posted By: umungus1122
How about rain barrels? You could fill several 55 gal. drums from the down spouts.
2. Rain barrels were made illegal here.
I would think that if you installed them underground (yourself) that you could get away with it.
It's definitely better to just do it and, if caught, ask for forgiveness later, rather than asking first and being denied. Is it turning you head skyward and opening your mouth when it's raining still legal? Though, probably it's not advisable in and near urban centers.
Originally Posted By: bdcardinal
Originally Posted By: umungus1122
How about rain barrels? You could fill several 55 gal. drums from the down spouts.
2. Rain barrels were made illegal here.
I would think that if you installed them underground (yourself) that you could get away with it.
It's definitely better to just do it and, if caught, ask for forgiveness later, rather than asking first and being denied. Is it turning you head skyward and opening your mouth when it's raining still legal? Though, probably it's not advisable in and near urban centers.
The billing system should be based on what the number of occupants need for basic consumption for a reasonable cost, then have the rates rise exponentially beyond that.
If someone has a $10,000,000 home with $800k in thirsty landscaping, either they can convert to something less thirsty, or they can brag/complain to their friends about the $8k/month water bill.
If someone has a $10,000,000 home with $800k in thirsty landscaping, either they can convert to something less thirsty, or they can brag/complain to their friends about the $8k/month water bill.
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Originally Posted By: Chris142
I'm on my own well. I have not gotten any letters but the people in town have. I have "water rights" whatever that means. We are already using very little water. About 150 gallons a day for 3 ppl,4 cats,2 dogs and 6 chickens.
I read that the average person uses more than all of us do in a day
We only use 4000gal/month as well. Family of 6, cat, dog and ~215gal worth of fish tanks. Thankfully no current water worries here. I do keep tight reigns on what goes down the drain however, being on a 40yr/old septic system.
I'm on my own well. I have not gotten any letters but the people in town have. I have "water rights" whatever that means. We are already using very little water. About 150 gallons a day for 3 ppl,4 cats,2 dogs and 6 chickens.
I read that the average person uses more than all of us do in a day
We only use 4000gal/month as well. Family of 6, cat, dog and ~215gal worth of fish tanks. Thankfully no current water worries here. I do keep tight reigns on what goes down the drain however, being on a 40yr/old septic system.
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So, when the drought was going on in Texas, I did the following.
Moved to the low water usage toilets, they work great.
Moved to 1.25gpm shower heads.
50 gallon rain barrel.
We don't really water unless the HOA sends me a notice for dead grass/plants.
Moved to the low water usage toilets, they work great.
Moved to 1.25gpm shower heads.
50 gallon rain barrel.
We don't really water unless the HOA sends me a notice for dead grass/plants.
Originally Posted By: Skid
Originally Posted By: bdcardinal
Originally Posted By: umungus1122
How about rain barrels? You could fill several 55 gal. drums from the down spouts.
1. No rain
2. Rain barrels were made illegal here. Apparently we promised runoff water to Mexico and we don't want to anger them.
Actually, it looks like collecting rain water from rooftops is now legal in California (since 2012). It appears to be illegal almost everywhere else in the West due to water rights. http://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/californias-rainwater-recapture-act-let-66504/
I started conserving water early, too. I do a lot of the things that HTSS_TR lists. A little more extreme (no lawn at all, etc.). It sucks that people who saw the light early are now being penalized for it.
Edit - Also, water theft does occur. One of my friends has some rental property, and when it was unoccupied for a while, the water consumption was really high (much higher than when occupied). There are some RV / homeless in the area who have filled up their tanks from homes as well. I have these on the front faucets. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001U20MS2
I would just turn the valve off inside...I'd worry about someone "opening" one of those with a hammer.
Originally Posted By: bdcardinal
Originally Posted By: umungus1122
How about rain barrels? You could fill several 55 gal. drums from the down spouts.
1. No rain
2. Rain barrels were made illegal here. Apparently we promised runoff water to Mexico and we don't want to anger them.
Actually, it looks like collecting rain water from rooftops is now legal in California (since 2012). It appears to be illegal almost everywhere else in the West due to water rights. http://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/californias-rainwater-recapture-act-let-66504/
I started conserving water early, too. I do a lot of the things that HTSS_TR lists. A little more extreme (no lawn at all, etc.). It sucks that people who saw the light early are now being penalized for it.
Edit - Also, water theft does occur. One of my friends has some rental property, and when it was unoccupied for a while, the water consumption was really high (much higher than when occupied). There are some RV / homeless in the area who have filled up their tanks from homes as well. I have these on the front faucets. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001U20MS2
I would just turn the valve off inside...I'd worry about someone "opening" one of those with a hammer.
Originally Posted By: Killer223
leave Cali!! best thing i EVER did was leave that state.
I left in 1965. I could see this type of government coming...
leave Cali!! best thing i EVER did was leave that state.
I left in 1965. I could see this type of government coming...
Originally Posted By: Win
Meanwhile, in flyover country, streets and alleys turn into raging streams from nearly unprecedented rainfall, existing rivers and streams swallow up their banks and surroundings, stuff floats away, cops shoot people trying to save their stuff, cats chase dogs, it's chaos ...
Wish I could send you just the water I had in the back of my office. Not to mention the water I had in the other places. I was worried our lake house might be in the lake.
Wish I could help with your bureaucracy. I hate to say it, but maybe you need to talk to a lawyer.
we got 6 inches of rain here in Middle TN in 7 days. I thought it would never stop raining! My grass is nice and green. It saved me from running my irrigation system. My neighbors across the street run their irrigation TWICE PER DAY 6am and 6pm even if it's been raining everyday. I guess they set it on automatic and forget about it. I'm a weather Nazis and check the forecast everyday, if it rains my irrigation system turns off. I only run my irrigation for the front yard, my backyard doesn't get any water. I'm cheap.
Meanwhile, in flyover country, streets and alleys turn into raging streams from nearly unprecedented rainfall, existing rivers and streams swallow up their banks and surroundings, stuff floats away, cops shoot people trying to save their stuff, cats chase dogs, it's chaos ...
Wish I could send you just the water I had in the back of my office. Not to mention the water I had in the other places. I was worried our lake house might be in the lake.
Wish I could help with your bureaucracy. I hate to say it, but maybe you need to talk to a lawyer.
we got 6 inches of rain here in Middle TN in 7 days. I thought it would never stop raining! My grass is nice and green. It saved me from running my irrigation system. My neighbors across the street run their irrigation TWICE PER DAY 6am and 6pm even if it's been raining everyday. I guess they set it on automatic and forget about it. I'm a weather Nazis and check the forecast everyday, if it rains my irrigation system turns off. I only run my irrigation for the front yard, my backyard doesn't get any water. I'm cheap.
Originally Posted By: OneEyeJack
... In the very affluent areas such as Fairbanks Ranch, Rancho Santa Fe and La Jolla people are getting exemptions because conserving water would damage sometimes hundreds of thousands of dollars of landscaping. It's not much of a process if you are a known democratic party supporter and donor.
And you have evidence of that favoritism?
... In the very affluent areas such as Fairbanks Ranch, Rancho Santa Fe and La Jolla people are getting exemptions because conserving water would damage sometimes hundreds of thousands of dollars of landscaping. It's not much of a process if you are a known democratic party supporter and donor.
And you have evidence of that favoritism?
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Arnie was just on one of our Oz shows, explaining that California needs to build the infrastructure to hold the water before it gets to the ocean, or ante up to separate the water from the ocean after it gets there.
Can't do that ! There was a court order not long ago to release billions gallons of fresh waster to the stream then to ocean to save few endanger tiny fishes.
Fishes are more importance than human being.
Arnie was just on one of our Oz shows, explaining that California needs to build the infrastructure to hold the water before it gets to the ocean, or ante up to separate the water from the ocean after it gets there.
Can't do that ! There was a court order not long ago to release billions gallons of fresh waster to the stream then to ocean to save few endanger tiny fishes.
Fishes are more importance than human being.
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