Fram Ultra vs Mobil 1 Filter

[Job]

There is virtually no such thing as a "real world" test. Way too many variables to control and the results usually come out as being statistically invalid. Have you ever worked in a testing environment where obtaining valid results is important?

That phrase is generally thrown around by individuals who don't know what it means, and do not understand what is involved in generating data that is valid. It sounds good to the uninformed but that's as far as it goes.

Why do you keep on judging people in every post?

https://www.frantzfilters.com/science/

 

[ZeeOSix]

Does this include the no name filter used on the same car that beat the Fram Ultra? Or is that one covered with excuses already?I know it is, and it’s Blackstone musta made a mistake. Is there another newer excuse the result is not good??
Its pretty funny actually. Hooray for your niche.

I already showed where that "no name" filter stood on the curves, and it wasn't anything stellar by any means. The Ultra you keep latching on to and trying to compare to the "no name" filter you keep latching on to was an outlier based on all the other Ultra PCs plotted.

Have you ever taken the time to actually gather the PC data from all the UOAs here and plot them out?

Have you ever found a oil cleanliness vs engine wear study that shows cleaner oil doesn't result in less engine wear? I'm still waiting for that study.

 

[JeffKeryk]

5K oil changes and using a quality filter for 10K or 15K is a recipe for success, in my book. Maybe even 20K, but I do every other service, so probably 12K max. I did run one further and expected the filter to be heavy as heck. It wasn't.

 

[Job]

I already showed where that "no name" filter stood on the curves, and it wasn't anything stellar by any means. The Ultra you keep latching on to and trying to compare to the "no name" filter you keep latching on to was an outlier based on all the other Ultra PCs plotted.

Have you ever taken the time to actually gather the PC data from all the UOAs here and plot them out?

Have you ever found a oil cleanliness vs engine wear study that shows cleaner oil doesn't result in less engine wear? I'm still waiting for that study.

Are you done now?

 

[kschachn]

Why do you keep on judging people in every post?

If you call correcting people making repeated error-filled posts as “judging” then I’m guilty as charged. What I stated is correct.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Are you done now?

Go plot some other PCs besides your locked on beloved "no name" filter. And go read some engine wear vs oil cleanliness studies - still waiting for any study to show dirtier oil doesn't result in more wear. Otherwise you're just making noise.

Your "no name" RA "Ultra Power" was basically the same efficiency as a Purolator BOSS when looking at actual PCs.

 

[Job]

On topic:
OP I am interested more in the Fram Ultra now as it is said to be improved. Also I like cellulose in a media. And I like no louvers.

Go plot some other PCs besides your locked on beloved "no name" filter. And go read some engine wear vs oil cleanliness studies - still waiting for any study to show dirtier oil doesn't result in more wear. Otherwise you're just making noise.

Your "no name" RA "Ultra Power" was basically the same efficiency as a Purolator BOSS when looking at actual PCs.

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Looks like you weren’t done. Can’t compare PC like that, one filter versus another in different vehicles. It’s just agenda driven nothing. And your question asking find a test where dirty oil shows less wear than cleaner oil has no sense to it. The no name filter , not an Ultra Power on it, beat the Ultra in the same engine and conditions.
The funny thing is some people think I am the instigator of all this off topic diversion.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Looks like you weren’t done. Can’t compare PC like that, one filter versus another in different vehicles. It’s just agenda driven nothing. And your question asking find a test where dirty oil shows less wear than cleaner oil has no sense to it. The no name filter , not an Ultra Power on it, beat the Ultra in the same engine and conditions.
The funny thing is some people think I am the instigator of all this off topic diversion.

You're certainly a participant in the diversion - I made a general comment and you end up bashing filters based on an out flyer. The filter you've latched on to was a Rock Auto "Ultra Power" filter. Its PC was no better than many other filters posted here with 99% @ 40u ISO rating.

Different filters don't necessarily have to be ran on the same engine to see that the PC data shows a strong correlation between filter efficiency and oil cleanliness. Of course there will be some out flyers when looking at many different UOAs done by many people, but even looking at PCs here there's a strong correlation between ISO efficiency rating and PC data. Every controlled study shows it too. And speaking of controlled comparisons, which filters in this ISO 4548-12 test do you think would result in cleaner oil on the same engine under the same driving conditions? I know you were really disappointed to see the Ultra come out on top in the ISO testing.

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/t...e-point-and-burst.334882/page-19#post-5789087

If you don't think there's any relationship between ISO test efficiency, oil cleanliness and engine wear in real world use conditions then you need to do more research since you never listen to any information posted on BITOG. Still waiting for that official study that shows cleaner oil never reduces engine wear.