FRAM Extended Guard Oil Filters?

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Originally Posted By: ADFD1
Another vote for the Pure One or the Mobil 1 filter over anything Fram offers.

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Lets cut them a little slack,maybe they did learn a lesson here.(Well,its possible)On second thought,what was Tommy Boy selling at his factory?? Maybe I`ll buy one of those!!
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Originally Posted By: lexus114
Originally Posted By: ADFD1
Another vote for the Pure One or the Mobil 1 filter over anything Fram offers.

AD


Lets cut them a little slack,maybe they did learn a lesson here.(Well,its possible)On second thought,what was Tommy Boy selling at his factory?? Maybe I`ll buy one of those!!
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I'll cut them some slack :) if their Extended guard filter is part of a oil/filter combo deal I'd use it. But my first choice is a Pure One, or a Mobil 1 filter.

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I used the filter selector at walmart for my honda fit. The only filter I was given an option to buy was the "extended" guard fram.

I'm thinking the Honda Factory filter is the Extended guard. The honda filter is sold at a lower price...
 
Originally Posted By: lexus114
Originally Posted By: deven
I have Fram XG3600 oil filter on my ES330 and I have no problems with it. It has a semi-synthetic media(very thick) and has a wire mesh behind the media so it can be used for extended drain intervals with a silicone ADBV and metal endcaps. Read this thread
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/fram-vs-amsoil.75261/

Here is my UOA with Fram XG3600 with 7250 miles.
http://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthre...rue#Post1275055


runnin an oversized filter huh?


Yes Sir! I am not really impressed with the 90915-YZZD1 or 3 filters. It seems like the ADBV is not really doing its job because I get a cold start rattle. Same with K&N. The last OCI i used the M1-209 filter. Now thats twice the size of Fram and that did well but I got the Fram XG for cheap and they seem to do the job well. Bigger filter, more surface area.
 
Just for the record, I have been vehemently against Fram for years. No, I would never use any of their other filters with the cardboard endcaps and shi**y media. But the XG, as stated above, is extremely well made...even better made than the Mobil 1 which is almost 2x the $!!!!!!!!
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It has metal end caps, steel mesh screen behind the synthetic media! It doesn't get much better than that. So, to recap.....

1)Made in the USA
2)Less than $8 per filter
3)Better made than a Mobil 1 and Pure One
4)Made in The USA

Do I shun it just because it says "Fram"? Now if my UOA comes back after 10k and sucks, then yeah, I'll go back to Wix. But until then, i'll give them the benefit of my doubt and see what happens. And as far as the comment about me taking a chance on my engine...gimme a break. No filter is so bad that your engine will take a [censored] after 5k miles of use or even cause any damage. Maybe after 20-30k...MAYBE...but who runs a filter that long? None of us here....we're all to anal to do so.
 
2) Not at most outlets.
3) Debatable
1&4) like Champ and Wix and a few others.


..and sub par filtration compared to its contemporaries.

Everything above the orange can is just fine from a construction standpoint. Up there with the best. The price is too high for anything that they sell. It's now usually married to some oil deal to make it work.
 
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
2) Not at most outlets.
3) Debatable
1&4) like Champ and Wix and a few others.


..and sub par filtration compared to its contemporaries.

Everything above the orange can is just fine from a construction standpoint. Up there with the best. The price is too high for anything that they sell. It's now usually married to some oil deal to make it work.


Hey Gary, I was actually going to ask your opinion. Dave told me you might have some good input on this. Keep in mind that Iam coming off of my 6 year Amsoil addiction.....
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Well, for someone in recovery, I might not be the right person to ask.
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Again, I can't find fault in the construction ..at all. Looks like a very robust filter. In any of the actual filtering tests that I've seen (Grease's, in particular) all of the Frams scored on the lower end of the filtering scale. Now depending on how much weight you put into the fine level of filtering vs. the durability and strength in construction, a Fram XG would not be a bad choice.

I'd still have a hard time choosing it over a $5.99-$6.xx PureOne (as a cheaper competitor).

Most of us appear to attach some "anger" to Fram for the orange can of cheapness. It tends to carry over to the other products due to the mandatory price bump that the orange can kinda pushes better Fram products to in cost ....but it's not a rational disposition ..so use 'em if you got 'em and buy 'em if you want to
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I think the EG construction seems certainly adequate, if not above average.

The real issue is efficiency and longevity. Only a particle count would settle this debate. The TG has a better advertised efficiency than does the EG. Perhaps the reason the EG can run longer is because it just doesn't filter quite as well? The downside to the TG is the whole cardboard construction issue.

One thing to keep in mind is that Cowhorse01 is putting this on his Dmax. It's a bit hard to find filters on the shelf for that application that fall into the "affordable premium filter" range. Sure, there are PureOne and Mobil-1 filters for that application, but I've never actually seen one for walk-in purchase; I always get the "we can order it" answer. CH01 is looking at walking into WallyWorld for the convenience and getting his O/FCI all taken care of at the drop of a hat. I doubt he'd find a PureOne or Mobil-1 filter for his Dmax anywhere convenient on the shelf. (None of my local auto parts places carry premium filters on the shelf for the Dmax). That was his motivation for considering the EG filter; it's on the shelf, right next to the awesome performing and easily found Delvac 1300 he's now using.

Given his desire for ease of attainment and reasonable cost, the Delvac/EG filter fits his plan. The EG filter is probably not as good as some of the other alternatives, but would it be "good enough" for his application? Quite possibly so.

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BTW - side note ...

I noticed on Fram website that they have a Canadian high kilometerage (!) "synthetic" filter. It basically (no, suspiciouly) looks like a rebrand of the EG filter. What's up with that???? Is the marketing that biased, or just so vain that they don't think we all can figure it out? Either way, it seems silly to me.
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Originally Posted By: deven
I am not really impressed with the 90915-YZZD1 or 3 filters. It seems like the ADBV is not really doing its job because I get a cold start rattle.


That's strange. I use the Toyota 90915-YZZD3 on my 05 Tacoma V6, and it's mounted with the base down, so the ADBV has to work well or the filter will drain. I've left it sit for 2+ weeks and at startup it sounds quiet. Obviously, each engine could be picky in terms of noise at startup with the filter draining any, but it seems the YZZD3 Toyota filters are working well for me anyway.
 
Fram filters are not good for race engines.I was talking to a guy,he put in one on his race car and never did ever since,opened it up and full of metal in it.Where i work at,used to use Quaker state filters until a company bought out the place we used to get them at,would not send out anyone to check on the stock anymore.Now use Carquest oil filters which are made by Wix,I check the invetory when a salesperson from the Carquest parts store in my area comes in to check the stock order which he asks me about
 
Why exactly is it the filters fault when his race engine was shedding metal and the filter caught it?
 
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan


I'd still have a hard time choosing it over a $5.99-$6.xx PureOne (as a cheaper competitor).


I look at the Pureone box. It filters up to 13grams. The extended guard filters 26 grams.

I wonder if there is any validity?
 
Originally Posted By: Dyoel182
Why exactly is it the filters fault when his race engine was shedding metal and the filter caught it?

That's what I was thinking. The filter did it's job in that case, did it not? I'd much rather have metal in the filter (well, no metal period, but...) where it belongs than back in the engine.
 
He opened it up and found metal shavings from the oil filter and the engine was fine,the ones with the black grip on them.He is done with racing now,he replaced the fram with Napa filters which are made by Wix.Fram did put a recall their oil filters and I do not remember what it was.
 
Originally Posted By: SanDan
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan


I'd still have a hard time choosing it over a $5.99-$6.xx PureOne (as a cheaper competitor).


I look at the Pureone box. It filters up to 13grams. The extended guard filters 26 grams.

I wonder if there is any validity?


Good question.
 
Yes, very good question. I would like to know. I also wonder why it's so hard to find this filter or other premium filters for the Dmax. If I could walk in and find a Pure One or Wix, I would use it no problem. The parts store just down the road from me carries Wix and Delvac, but the Delvac is $14 a gallon as opposed to $11 at Wal-Mart. go figure........The Wix is $9. I just don't get it.
 
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