Fram Extended Guard *cut open* (unused)

[cryption]

I always buy at Auto Zone. They have a rewards card. You earn 1 point for every $20 spent - and you get $20 off for every 5 points. I do oil changes for a lot of my friends - and they buy their oil at the zone so I can put it on my card. I usually earn about 6-7 points a month and you don't have to use them. They can add up. I'm at 23 points right now.

They always run some nature of synthetic oil change special, just like all the other parts houses. This month is Valvoline and a filter.

 

[Virtuoso]

Not a fan of Fram, but I'd use that one.

 

[Gary Allan]

Me too. If they have a sale where they're down around PureOne or there'bouts ..stock up if you're someone who can take advantage of their robust construction and added holding capacity.

 

[Spyder7]

Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: Spyder7
That's why I buy my oil at WM (along with my Fram air filters), but go elsewhere for oil filters. I've never seen a parts store here offer a deal on oil + filter, though if they did the total cost would still likely be over what I pay for my oil at WM.


By the way, what are you paying for your filters out that way? I think we're around $12 to $14 for M1 filters. I don't know what Napa Gold filters cost, since I get Wix for $5. The only Purolators around here are those sold by Motorcraft and Mopar.


$15 from CT. To put that number in context, though, OEM filters are $7.50 from the dealer. There are cheap filters here and that filter, but I haven't seen anything here close to an M1. Filter selection here is terrible. At least WM here has good rollback prices.

I use the M1 for 10k right now, so even though its expensive, I don't feel ripped off. If I found something reasonably close to it, and more than a couple bucks cheaper, I'd consider switching filters. Problem is the lack of available alternatives.

The best bang for the buck I've since found is the Bosch Premium, at an online Canadian store. Its $4.62. The catch is that its only cheap when its shipped free, but you need a minimum $75 order, and I haven't come up with anything to beef the order up enough to make up the difference to get a few of these at that price.

There is only about 2k on this filter, though, and it'll be well into spring before I hit my 10k replacement mark on it. I might come up with something before then to get the order up high enough.

-Spyder

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: Spyder7
$15 from CT. To put that number in context, though, OEM filters are $7.50 from the dealer. There are cheap filters here and that filter, but I haven't seen anything here close to an M1. Filter selection here is terrible. At least WM here has good rollback prices.


That's a tad higher than here, but your OCIs do justify it. Does WM only have Fram there, too? I'm just lucky to have a Wix dealer that gives me commercial pricing. Even at commercial pricing, they cannot compete with Walmart for oil (though their selection is better), their filter prices are second to none.

Originally Posted By: Spyder7
The best bang for the buck I've since found is the Bosch Premium, at an online Canadian store. Its $4.62. The catch is that its only cheap when its shipped free, but you need a minimum $75 order, and I haven't come up with anything to beef the order up enough to make up the difference to get a few of these at that price.


Sounds like we go through the same supplier network. For my Audi, they have all the Made in Germany filters at a similar price. I've seen the Bosch Premiums for Asian applications, with NPN and Full for my F-150. I've needed Audi parts, so I grab a few filters when I order and take advantage of the free shipping. For the truck, the NPN and the Full are barely cheaper than the Wix, so I haven't bothered.

 

[Spyder7]

Nothing but Fram here. The orange wall of doom. I buy their air filters anyway. The oil filters are over-priced, not just Fram over-priced, but ridiculously expensive.

I'm waiting on a need for something to get the order price up high enough, but all its needed in almost 12k km was a new PCV valve ($12 with tax from the dealer). No maintenance items due to be replaced any time soon either, other than fluids.

-Spyder

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: Spyder7
Nothing but Fram here. The orange wall of doom. I buy their air filters anyway. The oil filters are over-priced, not just Fram over-priced, but ridiculously expensive.

I'm waiting on a need for something to get the order price up high enough, but all its needed in almost 12k km was a new PCV valve ($12 with tax from the dealer). No maintenance items due to be replaced any time soon either, other than fluids.


Well, maybe you'll need some brake shoes or something. They don't offer a lot of the fluids on that site, so that doesn't help, either. I needed the odd sensor and stuff, so that got me over.

 

[FZ1]

Thanks for the info on the AZ rewards card.

 

[trabuccomlfrd]

Originally Posted By: Spyder7
Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: Spyder7
That's why I buy my oil at WM (along with my Fram air filters), but go elsewhere for oil filters. I've never seen a parts store here offer a deal on oil + filter, though if they did the total cost would still likely be over what I pay for my oil at WM.


By the way, what are you paying for your filters out that way? I think we're around $12 to $14 for M1 filters. I don't know what Napa Gold filters cost, since I get Wix for $5. The only Purolators around here are those sold by Motorcraft and Mopar.


$15 from CT. To put that number in context, though, OEM filters are $7.50 from the dealer. There are cheap filters here and that filter, but I haven't seen anything here close to an M1. Filter selection here is terrible. At least WM here has good rollback prices.

I use the M1 for 10k right now, so even though its expensive, I don't feel ripped off. If I found something reasonably close to it, and more than a couple bucks cheaper, I'd consider switching filters. Problem is the lack of available alternatives.

The best bang for the buck I've since found is the Bosch Premium, at an online Canadian store. Its $4.62. The catch is that its only cheap when its shipped free, but you need a minimum $75 order, and I haven't come up with anything to beef the order up enough to make up the difference to get a few of these at that price.

There is only about 2k on this filter, though, and it'll be well into spring before I hit my 10k replacement mark on it. I might come up with something before then to get the order up high enough.

-Spyder

how you spend your money is your issue but to me it doesnt make sence to spend an extra $6 for a filter when you can get the same quality maybe even better for $7 or $8. seems kind of foolish too me.

 

[trabuccomlfrd]

Originally Posted By: Spyder7
Nothing but Fram here. The orange wall of doom. I buy their air filters anyway. The oil filters are over-priced, not just Fram over-priced, but ridiculously expensive.

I'm waiting on a need for something to get the order price up high enough, but all its needed in almost 12k km was a new PCV valve ($12 with tax from the dealer). No maintenance items due to be replaced any time soon either, other than fluids.

-Spyder

i think m1 has the most rediculously over priced filters you can by, they are good quality in all but not worth $13 - $15 dollars, and everyone knows what a sloppy glue job m1 filters have

 

[trabuccomlfrd]

Originally Posted By: Spyder7
I don't use them. Not a knock against the XG (despite having some fun with the way Fram advertises it), but the cost difference for me between the XG and the M1 EP is so small that I just go with the Mobil. As the Mobil is more expensive, its up to others if its worth the extra cost over the XG.

Contrary to what the OP posted, the M1 EP is not "a paper filter." The cost of both are a little higher for me, though I don't feel "stupid" when I buy it. Its expensive, yes, but I think you get what you for.

-Spyder

to me $5 is a significant difference

 

[trabuccomlfrd]

Originally Posted By: Spyder7
Originally Posted By: trabuccomlfrd
Originally Posted By: Spyder7
I don't use them. Not a knock against the XG (despite having some fun with the way Fram advertises it), but the cost difference for me between the XG and the M1 EP is so small that I just go with the Mobil. As the Mobil is more expensive, its up to others if its worth the extra cost over the XG.

Contrary to what the OP posted, the M1 EP is not "a paper filter." The cost of both are a little higher for me, though I don't feel "stupid" when I buy it. Its expensive, yes, but I think you get what you for.

-Spyder

$4 - $5 is alot considering the price of oil filters, that is like buying a car for 13,000 dollars when you could buy an equally good car made with better materials for 9,000 dollars, obviously you fall for the "if something is more expensive it must be better" deal.


Since when is a $4-$5 price difference the same as a $4,000 price difference?

First mistake in reasoning (google "strawman").

Secondly, show the post that proves they are "equally good." That's not only not proven, but in your OP you based this on information that has been shown to be false: the M1 filter is not a "paper filter."

Third, how do you "obviously" know what I base my buying decisions on? First off, I don't even know you, so if I were to discuss my purchase decisions with anyone, you wouldn't make the list.

Lastly, how do you know that the difference in price where I am is $4-$5? If you look under my user name, I clearly don't live in the same place you do, therefore I don't shop at the same stores either. Do you just assume the difference is $4-$5 everywhere? Apparently you do, and you're wrong on that count too.

Edit: one final point. Lets assume you're right about everything else (and we'll ignore for the moment the many ways I've demonstrated this not to be the case), and we'll go with the higher of your numbers and say the price difference for me is $5. Money is certainly a quantifiable subject when you're talking about it in absolute terms (for instance, my annual salary); what you're talking about, on the other hand, is not money, but value, and lacking perfect information (which, lacking information such as my annual salary, you don't even have the starting point to begin to make this assumption from), it cannot be quantified; only qualified. And then to properly qualify it, you need to know my disposable income, my own personal value choices and what is behind them, the actual difference in cost for me, and what that difference rationalizes out to in a monthly, weekly, or daily basis. You know none of this information.

The only thing you know is that the extra cost isn't worth it to you. For the reasons given above, I'm not going to argue that with you. But you are very presumptuous to, lacking a single piece of the information needed to make a value judgment for me, state whether or not the price difference is worth it for me.

-Spyder

according to one of your post you pay $15 dollars!!! what a ripoff! that is a $6 dollar difference

 

[Spyder7]

Originally Posted By: trabuccomlfrd

how you spend your money is your issue but to me it doesnt make sence to spend an extra $6 for a filter when you can get the same quality maybe even better for $7 or $8. seems kind of foolish too me.


The first part of your sentence sums it up: how I spend my money is my issue. I don't need to explain it to you, and I could care less what you think of it.

-Spyder

 

[subiedriver]

I run Purolator Pure One filters, $7 after tax at AAP. That's the best bang for the buck around, I think its a better filter than even the Fram Extended Guard, which is 9 bucks at walmart.

I buy my oil at walmart, the filter at AAP, its a PIA but I'm not running Fram filters, period.

 

[trabuccomlfrd]

Originally Posted By: subiedriver
I run Purolator Pure One filters, $7 after tax at AAP. That's the best bang for the buck around, I think its a better filter than even the Fram Extended Guard, which is 9 bucks at walmart.

I buy my oil at walmart, the filter at AAP, its a PIA but I'm not running Fram filters, period.

its a shame to see a fellow subaru owner being so close minded, the extended guard is way better than pure one and nothing like the OCOD, its worth the extra 2 bucks. im unimpressed with the pureone , i have a pureone cut open and the filter media doesnt even fill the end caps never mind the can, the gule is spilled all over the end caps, there is alot of paint overspray, and it doesnt use an adbv. i know every one loves them but i feel that you can do better for $7

 

[river_rat]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
97% @ 20 microns isn't too shabby IMO. It probably also flows very well with the full synthetic media.


It doesn't say 97% for particles at 20 microns size, it says 97% for particles larger than 20 microns.

"Honeywell testing of filter efficiency and capacity of models equivalent to PH8A, 3387A and 6607 under ISO 4548-12 for particles > 20 microns. "

Seems to pass oil relatively slowly on the ones I cut open and dipped.
Probably a good filter overall though.
IMO, It isn't as good as PureONE, K&N, Mobil 1, Bosch...but good.

 

[trabuccomlfrd]

Originally Posted By: river_rat
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
97% @ 20 microns isn't too shabby IMO. It probably also flows very well with the full synthetic media.


It doesn't say 97% for particles at 20 microns size, it says 97% for particles larger than 20 microns.

Seems to pass oil relatively slowly on the ones I cut open and dipped.
Probably a good filter overall though.
IMO, It isn't as good as PureONE, K&N, Mobil 1, Bosch...but good.

id say the build quality is way better than all those and you aren't getting ripped off(minus the pureone and bosch however the distance+ could be seen as overpriced)

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: trabuccomlfrd
Originally Posted By: subiedriver
I run Purolator Pure One filters, $7 after tax at AAP. That's the best bang for the buck around, I think its a better filter than even the Fram Extended Guard, which is 9 bucks at walmart.

I buy my oil at walmart, the filter at AAP, its a PIA but I'm not running Fram filters, period.

its a shame to see a fellow subaru owner being so close minded, the extended guard is way better than pure one and nothing like the OCOD, its worth the extra 2 bucks. im unimpressed with the pureone , i have a pureone cut open and the filter media doesnt even fill the end caps never mind the can, the gule is spilled all over the end caps, there is alot of paint overspray, and it doesnt use an adbv. i know every one loves them but i feel that you can do better for $7


Please expand on "way better". Are you going purely by visual appearance? Because if so, that's narrow-minded way of evaluating things.

For example, if we go by the efficiency specs:

-The PureONE is 99.9% efficient in the multi-pass test at 20 microns.

-The Extended Guard is 97% efficient in the multi-pass test at 20 microns.

So does that suddenly make the PureONE "way better" than the Extended Guard?

What is more important in the role of an oil FILTER: Its ability to look pretty or the ability to FILTER the oil?

 

[subiedriver]

Plus, the Pure One has the proper bypass spec for my Subie, 23 psi. The Fram Xguard is 12 psi. I made the mistake of running a Fram tough guard on my first oci, before I knew how they were constructed or joined this site. That'll never happen again, Pure One all the way.

 

[Spyder7]

Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: trabuccomlfrd
Originally Posted By: subiedriver
I run Purolator Pure One filters, $7 after tax at AAP. That's the best bang for the buck around, I think its a better filter than even the Fram Extended Guard, which is 9 bucks at walmart.

I buy my oil at walmart, the filter at AAP, its a PIA but I'm not running Fram filters, period.

its a shame to see a fellow subaru owner being so close minded, the extended guard is way better than pure one and nothing like the OCOD, its worth the extra 2 bucks. im unimpressed with the pureone , i have a pureone cut open and the filter media doesnt even fill the end caps never mind the can, the gule is spilled all over the end caps, there is alot of paint overspray, and it doesnt use an adbv. i know every one loves them but i feel that you can do better for $7


Please expand on "way better". Are you going purely by visual appearance? Because if so, that's narrow-minded way of evaluating things.

For example, if we go by the efficiency specs:

-The PureONE is 99.9% efficient in the multi-pass test at 20 microns.

-The Extended Guard is 97% efficient in the multi-pass test at 20 microns.

So does that suddenly make the PureONE "way better" than the Extended Guard?

What is more important in the role of an oil FILTER: Its ability to look pretty or the ability to FILTER the oil?


According to his other posts he goes purely by the media and the price. If it says "synthetic media" on the box, and is made by Fram, going by his many other posts about this, then its the best bang for buck. Period. No other qualities matter, and everything else is one kind of "ripoff" or another since they are all "inferior."

This is taken directly from his many posts on the subject, where he has said this directly, or words to the effect, repeatedly.

Anyone using Purone, Bosch Distanceplus, or M1 EP filters are "foolish" and throwing their money away on inferior products.

Or that's the list, to date, of filter's he's indicated are inferior ripoffs compared to the Fram XG.

Who knew that all this time that Fram is not just the maker of the OCOD, but also the maker of the best bang for the buck filter on the market (and quite possibly best filter out there bar none). It was news to me until he enlightened me on the subject in various threads here.

-Spyder