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The remainder is put down a deep well. Yes, a big waste of water, but more and more fracking operations are recycling their water.

I didn't find any specifics on the amount dumped, but I saw something that said a typical fracking setup uses around 1 million gallons of water.
 
I take it that those wells aren't conneceted to the groundwater under any one else's property.

Like I asked, how "big" is the remaining 10% ?

Surely, to be responsible property holders, that information must be readilly available, and demonstrably responsibly disposed of on their property

Or do "deep wells" occupy the same theoretical space as perpetual economic growth ?
 
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State legislation relating to fracking wastewater treatment, disposal and transportation has markedly increased over the past few years. According to an Associated Press analysis, hydraulic fracturing generated roughly 10 million barrels of flowback, or wastewater, in the last half of 2011, with 97 percent of it either being recycled or sent to deep underground injection wells or waste treatment plants.

Sending flowback to municipal sewage treatment plants has become increasingly worrisome for regulators in states like Pennsylvania. The state Department of Environmental Protection has found high concentrations of dissolved salts like bromide in treated water, which has proved harmful to water quality and public health. In April 2011, Gov. Tom Corbett directed that all drilling operations in the state voluntarily comply with a ban on sending flowback to wastewater treatment plants.

http://www.csg.org/pubs/capitolideas/May_June_2012/fracking101.aspx
 
Which bit is the link and quote answering ?

The property rights of others one ?

Do you understand the water "treatment" technology and what it entails ?
 
Originally Posted By: Michael_P
Looking forward to seeing the new movie Promised Land with Matt Damon. A movie about fracking.

Promised Land Trailer


Well, make sure you watch the movie for entertainment only. When they make a movie, the last thing that Hollywood will put into it is honest facts.
 
Originally Posted By: Kruse
Originally Posted By: Michael_P
Looking forward to seeing the new movie Promised Land with Matt Damon. A movie about fracking.

Promised Land Trailer


Well, make sure you watch the movie for entertainment only. When they make a movie, the last thing that Hollywood will put into it is honest facts.

Especially with Matt Damon....
 
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How’s this for irony? Fracking champions are looking toward solar power to try and cut down on pollution.

Solar-Powered Fracking Equipment

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Originally Posted By: DBMaster
There have been an increasing number of small earthquakes around North Texas in areas where fracking is being done. IIRC the tremors are related more to the disposal wells than to the actual shale layer fracturing. The industry says that because the disposal wells are 7,000+ feet below the surface and concrete lined they present no danger to the water table.

The truth is that I can't say if the small earthquakes will lead to bigger ones, or if the fluids in the disposal wells present any danger for the future. To say anything would be mere conjecture. I don't think it's particularly good to send millions of gallons of freshwater out of sight where it cannot be reused for other purposes.

What do you all think?


I also live in the DFW area and what you say is right. Add to this that we're in a drought most of the year and all the water means a lot to us.
 
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Well, make sure you watch the movie for entertainment only. When they make a movie, the last thing that Hollywood will put into it is honest facts.


It has been reported that the movie was backed by interests in gas rich Dubai.

THink they will disclose this in the credits?

This movie is another LW propganada movie as was The China Syndrome whose sole purpose was to damage the nuclear industry.
 
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Seriously though, clean fresh water and a fully functioning surface and groundwater cycle is much more valuable than any source of energy. Please stop taking water for granted everyone, especially in the Midwest! Just because you live next to the world's largest source of clean water doesn't mean it's an unlimited supply, in fact it's very fragile.

All the "evironmentalists" and "regulators" are trying to do is protect YOU, YOUR FAMILY, YOUR HEALTH, AND YOUR ENVIRONMENT.
 
http://www.citizen.org/Page.aspx?pid=4704

It's not like they're trying to stop fracking completely...here are some of their recommendations:

Propose legislative action to repeal exemptions to major provisions of federal environmental laws created just for the oil and gas industry.

Request that the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) add the hydraulic fracturing industry to the Toxic Release Inventory under the Emergency Planning and Community Right-to-Know Act.

The environmental and health impacts of each chemical used in hydrofracking should be assessed by the EPA, and chemicals should be regulated or prohibited accordingly.

The oil and gas industry should be required to disclose the amount and name of each chemical used at each well site.

Disclosure of chemicals should be publicly accessible. A complete inventory of chemicals by site should be available on an agency-maintained website.

The EPA should be required to develop strong rules around the use of diesel fuel in hydraulic fracturing.

Groundwater and surface water quality surveys should be conducted prior to any drilling operations to properly assess the effects of the drilling on the water supply. Baseline water testing should be done by independent certified laboratories.


How is ANY of this controversial?
(repeat post from the California fracking thread)
 
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.or...ectly-good-job/

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So, why must the federal government need to increase its presence in this area, costing taxpayers more in the administrative process of overseeing the industry and adding more red tape and processing time for industry to do the job that they have been trained and experienced to do, providing us with much needed energy. Fossil fuels will dominate our energy future for longer than forecasters can predict energy supply and demand, so denying that fact and restricting their use through even more regulations will only cause Americans financial and comfort hardships.


This quote doesn't even make sense: "increase[d] presence ... costing taxpayers more in the administrative process...and processing time for industry" Sure, it'll cost some money to regulate it, the benefit being that we all are protected as are the natural resources that we all depend on and enjoy. So what? "Fossil fuels will dominate our energy future ... denying that fact [which nobody is denying!] and restricting their use through even more regulations [regulations don't restrict use, only production] will only cause Americans financial and comfort hardships". What about the financial and comfort hardships of the inevitable pollution and accidental groundwater damages from unregulated drilling sites? What about the damages from unregulated harmful chemicals that were not properly vetted and end up having long term health effects on people and natural systems?

Seriously, all the 'regulators' want to do is make sure this stuff is done properly and safely. Nobody wants to stop it if it can be done safely. Here is what the proposed regulation says:
"The rule would (1) provide disclosure to the public of chemicals used in hydraulic fracturing on public land and Indian land, (2) strengthen regulations related to well-bore integrity, and (3) address issues related to flowback water."
http://www.doi.gov/news/pressreleases/loader.cfm?csModule=security/getfile&pageid=293916


How is this controversial???
 
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Seriously, all the 'regulators' want to do is make sure this stuff is done properly and safely.

Why are these "regulators" competent to do this?

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Nobody wants to stop it if it can be done safely.

There are plenty of people that want so stop as much carbon based energy as they can so as to necessary skyrocket energy prices. Especially using the regulatory apparatus to bankrupt coal power plants.

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What about the damages from unregulated harmful chemicals that were not properly vetted and end up having long term health effects on people and natural systems?

Where are the examples of this?
 
This is all baloney. Fracking has been going on for ages, it's not new!

And that stupid "water on fire" was burning a long time before anybody showed up with any fracking equipment.

This is just another chance for the ultra hypocritical "Al Gores" to show up and squeal loudly about the damage being done. Then you fund a study and get whatever result you want and squeal more. Our government is ON RECORD as opposing fossil fuels!

Meantime the common man on the street will suffer the very real consequences...
 
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