FP plus vs. Lucas UCL

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Update on shrinkage. It seems to be the FP Plus. For ease of use and carry, I was pouring the FP Plus into a used Lucas 5.25oz treatment bottle (I marked the bottle in 2 oz intervals and add 1 oz per 10 gallons when refueling).

Well, this bottle (which I've been refilling with Lucas UCL from their bigger bottle) has been fine all this time with UCL. I washed the bottle out completely using Dawn dishwashing soap and made sure to rinse it out completely and let it dry before pouring FP Plus into it.

After refilling it a few times with FP Plus, this last time I've been trying a different fuel additive (while leaving the Lucas bottle with FP Plus in the car) and the bottle has shrunk the same way the large jugs of FP Plus have.

If I can find a very accurate scale, I'll try measuring to see if there is weight loss from leaving FP Plus in one of these bottles over a period of time.


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I haven't used or even opened this bottle of FP+ yet - its been sitting in a closet, no UV exposure...

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and thanks to Pep Boys and Autozone, all of the following was free after rebates, so I haven't had a chance to try my FP+ yet (the blue in the empty UCL bottles is from a mix of 2-stroke oil/UCL)

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I'll be sure to comment when I get a chance to compare.
 
It's kind of sad that their upgraded product is having these problems, I hope LubeControl gives everyone refunds or least send out some replacements. Is LCD still in business?
 
If you put some solvents in closed plastic container many times it will eat the plastic. You can either get solvent in the plastic or plastic in the solvent, or both. You may not see it but it will be in the liqued. Maybe the product will work fine but depending on how long it goes you can have a situation where the product is nowhere as good as it should be, and possibly be dangerous if you leave it in that container. I once put a sample of a wax into a container to send out, but for some reason I didn't ship it, and about thirty days later the solvent had shrunk the plastic and dissapated. All that was left was dried out wax in a shrunken container similar to what we've been seeing here. Detailing waxes are about 45% solvent, and I'm sure there is solvent in FP Plus, weather it be natural or synthetic. My guess is the lubricating oil is mainly a vegetable based oil and the solvent is a synthetic. Lubecontrol says, "mostly from renewable sources." Anyhow, at 50 dollars a gallon I would expect some customer service, but that's just me. If I payed out 50 bucks for that stuff I would transfer it into a glass container, then there will likely not be any issues. It's possible if you leave it in that container it will leak out. Maybe LCD should at least give all the people that bought that a 50% discount on their next purchase.
 
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If you put some solvents in closed plastic container many times it will eat the plastic. You can either get solvent in the plastic or plastic in the solvent, or both. You may not see it but it will be in the liqued. Maybe the product will work fine but depending on how long it goes you can have a situation where the product is nowhere as good as it should be, and possibly be dangerous if you leave it in that container. I once put a sample of a wax into a container to send out, but for some reason I didn't ship it, and about thirty days later the solvent had shrunk the plastic and dissapated. All that was left was dried out wax in a shrunken container similar to what we've been seeing here. Detailing waxes are about 45% solvent, and I'm sure there is solvent in FP Plus, weather it be natural or synthetic. My guess is the lubricating oil is mainly a vegetable based oil and the solvent is a synthetic. Lubecontrol says, "mostly from renewable sources." Anyhow, at 50 dollars a gallon I would expect some customer service, but that's just me. If I payed out 50 bucks for that stuff I would transfer it into a glass container, then there will likely not be any issues. It's possible if you leave it in that container it will leak out. Maybe LCD should at least give all the people that bought that a 50% discount on their next purchase.

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Does anybody see any weight in this statement?

As far as I know, nearly every solvent containing product is sold in some type of plastic bottle. Should we transfer all of our products to glass containers to avoid degraded product quality? Specifically, is FP Plus a poorer quality product by failing to transfer it to a glass container?

Opinions anyone?
 
Lol, go solvent shopping bud, you'll see a bunch of aluminum type containers. Reread key word "some", and probably pertains the product at hand. Like I said I have first hand knowledge of solvent in a wax eating a plastic container. Since it apparantly has an issue with refill UCL bottles that tells me it's quite possible it is the type of solvent that might need to be in a glass or metal container. Here's a pic Mike-


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it's a little hard to tell from the picture, but this heavy duty plastic container is TOAST. When I through it out my hand went right through it.
 
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Well, if we get really picky, you can say that water is a solvent. You are right, many things like paint thinner are contained in metal, while others such as fuel injector cleaner are contained in plastic. I certainly appreciate your perspective on this matter and I am simply looking for other opinions on this. In fact, I am glad you brought this up since I would definitely consider transferring my FP+ to a glass container if others will provide some feedback to substantiate your suspicions.

I also realize that a glass container wouldn't hurt, but I am just too lazy to go one/some.
 
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i think the FP+ is absorbing gas or humidity in the container because there is a vacuum when opening

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You got it. We are looking into alternative bottles, but there is absolutely no concern that the product is eating HDPE #2 plastic. If you have a bottle that is sucking in crack the cap and the bottle will go back to shape if full of product. If not full work the sides a little and it will go back out.

The product is creating a vacuum and we believe FP60 would do the same except the base oil is heavier so it does not.


Also we are 100% in business and going strong. My apologies for not getting over here more regularly. Remember you can always contact us via email with questions.
 
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i think the FP+ is absorbing gas or humidity in the container because there is a vacuum when opening

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You got it. We are looking into alternative bottles, but there is absolutely no concern that the product is eating HDPE #2 plastic. If you have a bottle that is sucking in crack the cap and the bottle will go back to shape if full of product. If not full work the sides a little and it will go back out.

The product is creating a vacuum and we believe FP60 would do the same except the base oil is heavier so it does not.


Also we are 100% in business and going strong. My apologies for not getting over here more regularly. Remember you can always contact us via email with questions.

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Does sunlight have any affect on FP+?

I posted this thread last month but did not get a good answer. Thanks.
 
I noticed the dye bleaching and was a little worried. Now Im not. Havent been putting it in because it ate the writing of my plastic measuring cup.
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Need to find a glass one.
 
As long as I can still get my Lucas UCL for $16 a gallon, I will continue to use it. I found no advantage using the FP60 when I bought my last gallon.
 
I have to say my Cherokee seemed to get better results from the old FP60. Since I've started the FP+ my gas mileage hasn't gone up at all, and everything feels the same as it did when running nothing but gasoline.
Maybe the FP+ is doing something good that isn't apparent to me.
 
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