They own their charging stations not the gas stations, would be a smart move since people are stuck there for a while.
Ford EVs can now charge at Tesla Superchargers
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It’s the exact opposite. Tesla is receiving more of the Federal NEVI site awards than any charging company.
“Tesla is winning the US race for federal infrastructure funding due to a significant cost advantage. According to the Wall Street Journal, Tesla has been awarded more sites than any other company to help build out the nationwide fast charging network.”
The newest V4 (dispenser) award stations have Magic Dock (CCS1) and Credit Card readers so they comply with NEVI requirements.
You can look up NEVI awards by state. For example, just in Pennsylvania (so far) they’re been awarded sites at:
Bedford County
- Tesla, Inc: $254,826 for a charging station at the Tesla Charging Hub in Breezewood; (I-70, Exit 147)
Crawford County
- Tesla, Inc: $211,165 for a charging station at the Giant Eagle in Meadville (I-79, Exit 147 A-B)
- Tesla, Inc: $256,626 for a charging station at the Wawa in Summerdale (I-81, Exit 65A)
- Tesla, Inc: $253,826 for a charging station at the Royal Farms in Aston (I-95, Exit 2)
- Tesla, Inc: $211,165 for a charging station at the Wawa in Woodlyn (I-476, Exit 1)
Greene County
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Lackawanna County
- Tesla, Inc: $204,232 for a charging station at the Wawa in Scranton (I-81, Exit 184)
- Tesla, Inc: $220,898 for a charging station at the Sheetz in New Castle (I-376, Exit 13)
Montgomery County
- Tesla, Inc: $211,165 for a charging station at the Wawa in Lansdale (I-476, Exit 31)
York County
- Tesla, Inc: $204,232 for a charging station at Shrewsbury Commons in York (I-83, Exit 4)
And that’s just the very first round of awards for just one state. Hundreds, if not thousands of more site awards to come.
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"Tesla owns the gas stations" is a metaphor.
Not a good one. They have chargers at gas stations.
Really. I've never seen one. Gas stations are a lousy place for an EV charger.
There were a couple hydrogen places at gas stations, but that is super rare.
OK, we see its over $200,000 for a charging station. Now, how many cars can charge at the same time at the said charging station.
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Some are at Canadian Tire in Canada, which also has gas a lot of the time.
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What other EV's have you driven? I've driven:
- Model S
- Model 3
- Audi e-tron (owned one for a month)
- BMW i4 M50
- For Mach-e
My favourite has been the i4 M50.
Here's the Petaluma, CA Shopping Center, 20 Superchargers, pull through which is rare. 150kW
Check the video I linked earlier on the V4 Supercharger setup in Georgia. They even had one of those with the V4. They use a different kind of cable that's not liquid cooled and supposedly more durable. And as they noted, the cables are longer. I remember backing in and having a tough time getting the connector within range.
I thought it was interesting when I saw head-in Superchargers. I saw at least one of those in Ukiah and maybe another in Crescent City last August. I really hate backing in to any parking space. Not sure what location this is, but the one on the left is definitely designed for head in with a Tesla. I'm not sure what's going to happen when Tesla opens up Superchargers to more brands, where some might use an adapter but park head-in.
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I do not have direct data; no.
Per Tesla, there's no problem:
Tesla Says That Supercharger Average Uptime Is Near Perfect *100%
The Tesla Supercharging network maintained its near-perfect reliability in 2022, according to Tesla's most recent 2022 Impact Report.
insideevs.com
But, I can read all the articles which decry the charging system issues such as reliability problems, capacity problems, etc ...
Here's how many EV chargers the US has – and how many it needs
There are currently more than 140,000 EV charging ports in the US. Here's how many the country may need to install by 2030.
electrek.co
EV Charging Stations In The US Are Plagued By Reliability Issues: Study
Charging your EV at public stations throughout the United States can sometimes be challenging, to say the least. We now have fresh data that paints a dreary picture of the reliability of American public EV charging.
insideevs.com
EV Charging: What’s Broken and How Tesla Has the Fix - Tech Insights
As electric vehicles become more popular, having a reliable and ubiquitous charging infrastructure becomes increasingly important. But it’s not only the infrastructure that needs to function and be omnipresent: the key to successful transportation electrification also lies in a superior customer...
eepower.com
And let's not forget the problems from the cold snap a few months ago ...
What Happened With The 'Stranded Teslas' EV Charging Panic In Chicago
Teslas are having trouble charging in the extreme cold, but there's a myriad of factors that contribute to the problem. Let us help explain.
insideevs.com
I'm not saying EVs are bad; I think they make good sense in some limited applications.
What I said before, I still stand by now. Adding more demand to a system which clearly has reliability and capacity issues isn't going to make it any easier to use an EV. Some problems are weather related. Some are related to vandalism. Some are equipment problems. Some are capacity issues. Etc ...
I am supposed to believe that all these articles above (and many, many more not listed) are coming from thin air? Or are they founded in some conspiracy to disparage EVs? Any one person may have a reliable network near them; that's good! But that does not mean that reliability and capacity are universally abundant, and the sheer volume of articles decrying the problems cannot be ignored.
Here's another point of view: I respectfully suggest your point somewhat assumes a static state. The squeaky wheel gets the grease. Capacity has to be addressed; Tesla, and likely others, will continue to add capacity based on demand. Yes, reliability and up-time need to be addressed; clearly some brands are more reliable than others.
I would also argue that Tesla would not be where they are (nor would the EV market as a whole) if they had not included their Supercharger network at the same time they released their EV products. Nor would they have grown without continuing the Supercharger build out.
I understand I live in an EV mecca; my views have to be influenced... Even apartments and condos have been slowly installing chargers; this is growing based on demand.
Here's the kicker: Business Opportunity. Some estimates have Tesla's charging network being a $10B to $20B revenue stream by the end of this decade.
Tesla EV owners and prospective future owners will be pretty mad if a bunch of other makes are clogging "their" Superchargers. I have to believe Elon understands this. I have to believe the build out will accelerate. Just my opinion...
But you are right, charging issues need to be addressed. The #1 reason EV owners go back to ICE is charging issues. When prospective customers ask me about ownership, the 1st thing I ask them is, "How ya gonna charge?"
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As someone who has actually used them on a multi-day trip, I'd be OK with it if the buildout continues. Exclusivity is nice and all, but I would have been OK with having Superchargers that were more common than every 90-120 miles on US-101 north of Santa Rosa.
I would write Elon a nasty letter... Ha!
I know what you mean. In Petaluma, there is the one Supercharger location, next going south is 10 miles away in Novato. Of course once you get closer to Marin and The City, there are many more. In Silicon Valley you can charge anywhere: at home, at work, shopping, just off freeways, even at Kaiser when you are getting fixed up. I mentioned condo and apartment dwellers are seeing chargers. Some housing places advertise charging as a benefit. It's growing.
Well yeah. My cousin just got an EV6 and doesn't have a practical means to charge it at her small condo. At least not without angering the other owners with only shared 110V power for lights and garage door openers. Maybe a 12V battery charger won't ruffle too many feathers. But she does work in Silicon Valley and her current employer has charging at work, which is her current plan.
I'm wondering if she's considering getting an NACS adapter for it. Not sure when they'll be opened up to Hyundai/Kia. I understand that the Kia app will be able to set up payments directly to Tesla, although I'm not sure what the prices will be.
In all fairness, non-Tesla vehicles should be up charged... Or let me charge for free!!!!
The V4s will be different though. I think they still work the same with most Teslas. When the V4 credit card readers come online, I'm not sure how they'll handle it.
Your 30 minute test drive favorite is the i4.
But no EV equals Tesla in the long run.
"Is going to receive" is not the same thing as received.
There are almost no Tesla V4 Superchargers in operation in the USA.
