Ford escape factory filter CUT OPEN, 5,000 miles

[dnewton3]

Who cares if the media is "wavy" or "twisted", etc ????
You should be asking "How did it do the intended job?" or perhaps "Is there any evidence of failure that directly is evidenced with wear data?"
Too many of you focus on the benign, and mostly inane, details.


In theory, for there to be a good seal for the system to work properly, there MUST be some amount of FORCE to hold the filter intact to the ADBV. It would be nearly inconceivable that there would not be at least some amount of deformation of the media. If the media showed zero signs of any collapse, then it would be likely that no pressure from the spring is being exerted to the media and leak potential around the ADBV is greater.


Were there any tears in the media? Any voids that would indicate a flow-path circumvention?
If not, quit worrying.

 

[53' Stude]

amen sir

 

[Sayjac]

Like you 51, this might be the first time seeing a Wix made FoMoCo factory filter. Normally have been Champ Labs made.

Some interesting wave/offset pleating to this one. That said, description and pics indicate it got the job done for the 5k mile fci.

Thanks for c&p.

 

[goodtimes]

M+H would have been in charge of this one I believe. There should be more eyes, or eyes that care. You don't see many large defects in China or Japan filters, more eyes on everything.

 

[tig1]

I would think part of the reason Fram Ultra uses wire backed media is for support that prevents the media from twisting or collapsing. This would be important for long extended OCI.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: dnewton3
In theory, for there to be a good seal for the system to work properly, there MUST be some amount of FORCE to hold the filter intact to the ADBV. It would be nearly inconceivable that there would not be at least some amount of deformation of the media.


There shouldn't be any deformation of the media due to the coil or leaf spring holding the guts together due to the solid center tube.

In this case, looks like the media was twisted when the media was potted into the end caps.

 

[tig1]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: dnewton3
In theory, for there to be a good seal for the system to work properly, there MUST be some amount of FORCE to hold the filter intact to the ADBV. It would be nearly inconceivable that there would not be at least some amount of deformation of the media.


There shouldn't be any deformation of the media due to the coil or leaf spring holding the guts together due to the solid center tube.

In this case, looks like the media was twisted when the media was potted into the end caps.


My recent post of the MC FL 910. No twist after 10K OCI. Many other brands are like this as well.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4630702/1/MC_FL_910_(pics)

 

[DuckRyder]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: dnewton3
In theory, for there to be a good seal for the system to work properly, there MUST be some amount of FORCE to hold the filter intact to the ADBV. It would be nearly inconceivable that there would not be at least some amount of deformation of the media.


There shouldn't be any deformation of the media due to the coil or leaf spring holding the guts together due to the solid center tube.

In this case, looks like the media was twisted when the media was potted into the end caps.


I agree, center tube should prevent collapse.

Also agree that filter looks “twisted” by about 2 pleats (draw a line at right angle to the end cap)

Question is why? By intent or accident.

I also agree in and of itself the twist isn’t an issue.

 

[goodtimes]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: dnewton3
In theory, for there to be a good seal for the system to work properly, there MUST be some amount of FORCE to hold the filter intact to the ADBV. It would be nearly inconceivable that there would not be at least some amount of deformation of the media.


There shouldn't be any deformation of the media due to the coil or leaf spring holding the guts together due to the solid center tube.

In this case, looks like the media was twisted when the media was potted into the end caps.


Machinery is spinning glue on the base, and the elements are dropping down, and everything is whirring and spinning. It takes a person to see when the machine slips, and pull the part off the line. Maybe they throw the element in the can and crimp it so fast the eye can't see. Cheap labor eyes help a lot in the Asian factories. Have yet to see one Toyota Denso with any kind of defect. Of course not many are cut open. So good you don't need to cut. They have to make these things in the USA for a couple dollars, how much can be expected? I don't even know how they buy the materials for a couple dollars.

 

[joel95ex]

i believe those fomoco's are different than retail motorcrafts

 

[53' Stude]

Did 2 oil changes today on edge and escape. Both had WIX made factory filter.

 

[JohnnyJohnson]

Originally Posted By: car51
Did 2 oil changes today on edge and escape. Both had WIX made factory filter.




What did they look like inside Adam?

 

[53' Stude]

One wasn't wavy at all, other was fine but BLACK as night media and gnarly looking.