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What’s does that mean?As I am self loading cargo that sense might feel different than what is experienced on the flight deck.
What’s does that mean?As I am self loading cargo that sense might feel different than what is experienced on the flight deck.
What’s does that mean?
Self loading cargo/baggage = passengersWhat’s does that mean?
We have an easy test:If it feels like the plane drops 100 feet in an instant that feels severe to me. Not sure what the pilots think.
I feel like there's a joke somewhere in here, where you compare high G / sudden movement changes between commercial aircraft and your prior Naval fighter life...We have an easy test:
Coffee spills out of cup - light.
Coffee cup comes off table - moderate.
Coffee cup hits ceiling - severe.
You haven’t flown through severe turbulence or you would have read about it.If it feels like the plane drops 100 feet in an instant that feels severe to me. Not sure what the pilots think.
I feel like there's a joke somewhere in here, where you compare high G / sudden movement changes between commercial aircraft and your prior Naval fighter life...
Would fighter pilots ever complain about flying through high turbulence? And is it similar between the aircraft? [total thread drift, sorry.]
It's not a perfect parallel but this issue reminds me of the argument for/against school busses having seatbelts. It's not a great parallel, as planes don't have to share skies with distracted pilots, but I have to to wonder, if the FAA isn't doing similar risk analysis to come up with their recommendations.So, during my many risk management/risk assessment courses I've been through, this usually has come up as an example. I'd have to do some digging, but the basis is that requiring a purchased seat for an infant would make a certain number of families that would otherwise fly make the decision to drive. Injuries or deaths on commercial aviation are just so incredibly rare per passenger mile, that the slight increase of people deciding to drive, even if the child were properly restrained in a car seat, would result in more child deaths.
The safety of a child riding in the lap of a parent on a commercial airliner is as close to 100% assured as they will be at any time in their life.
I am having hard time following your “reasoning.” So, did FAA suppose to let Boeing killing people until they go out of business? Do you like to have DOT on your tires? Maybe we should pay ATC people $17 per hour?I'm quite well aware of the difficulties. Nothing in the aviation industry is simple, cheap or easy. But too big to fail? I'm tired of being riding roughshod over by these huge corporations and their greed.
When your kids were young, did you ever see them attempting something and know that it would result in failure? Did you let them fail anyway? The best lessons are the ones hardest learned. IMO, this is part of a much bigger and broader issue with no one simple answer, but we as a people (not just our government) should not, cannot allow this crap to continue. We are failing as a culture. Massively.
It's not a perfect parallel but this issue reminds me of the argument for/against school busses having seatbelts. It's not a great parallel, as planes don't have to share skies with distracted pilots, but I have to to wonder, if the FAA isn't doing similar risk analysis to come up with their recommendations.
At least for school buses, the argument was that the kids would use them to slap each other silly. Or not use them properly. What was the driver to do, get up and walk the aisle after picking up each and every kid? Then there was the cost of adding. Finally, being a really big object, school buses tend not to come to sudden stops. And tend not to be in accidents. Risk/reward ratio wasn’t there, or so went the argument. Put in big padded seats, in unlikely case they get bounced around in the unlikely event of an accident, and hope for the best.I always wondered about it, and even today I kind of wonder when I get into a bus.
Unless using the bathroom I keep buckled up.Have you ever experienced severe turbulence? I have and there is no way you could hold on to a child. Buy a ticket and put them in a seat.
That is the same airline whose pilots are always complaining about turbulence.The perception of the severity of turbulence might be gauged by how the flight attendants react. On one US airline which I won’t mention the name of here, they will stop service at the smallest bump. On one flight with this airline it became late in the flight for me so I ate nutrition bars that I had packed and then fell asleep. This was a 12 hour flight. Apparently the attendant opened my tray table and set my meal up while I was sleeping. It sat there for the duration until they figured out that I wasn’t going to eat, then they took it back.
Other airlines will stop service as well but with this particular airline all it took was a small bump.
That is the same airline whose pilots are always complaining about turbulence.
I’ve heard other pilots ask ATC,
“Is that a report of actual moderate or Delta moderate?”
When we have done it, there’s a full body to body harness (ergo baby) that holds the baby to mom. Frankly, holding a baby loose around any place (plane, airport terminal, security) is silly. If you gate check a stroller, you may not need to carry baby everywhere, but rolling a stroller in the airport has its own drawbacks. You don’t hold baby in the harness the whole flight, but if there was turbulence or sleep, that harness is on, and far more robust than the airplane seatbelt.Have you ever experienced severe turbulence? I have and there is no way you could hold on to a child. Buy a ticket and put them in a seat.
That brings a smile to my face and joy to my day.Given that any time the kids are awake, we want to engage them, not just let them be plastered to screens or locked in a seat, this works.