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So some people check air pressure after a rotation, others check lug nut torque but I failed to check for the tightness of hub caps on my Dodge Ram and now it only has 3. The tire place said they would look for it and/or get me another.

With all these things to check, maybe easier to do it myself.
 
I never have anyone else rotate my tires. It takes me all of about 30 minutes and I'm done. It takes as long or longer to drive somewhere to have it done. And then I still want to look at the work and re-torque at home anyway. Might as well just do it right once.
 
If you want something done right ya just gotta do it yourself,,,I learned to not take my cars in,,Broken hub caps,Gobbs of anti-seize on lugnuts extended to spraying on rims and car paint!,,,,overall for many years now i trailer my rims or tires in and install/rotate myself on my cars

At home/A 3ton floor jack and a battery powered DeWalt 18volt impact (no extension cords to get in the way) = Very easy to do anywhere
 
Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
I never have anyone else rotate my tires. It takes me all of about 30 minutes and I'm done. It takes as long or longer to drive somewhere to have it done. And then I still want to look at the work and re-torque at home anyway. Might as well just do it right once.

Some tire manufactures demand that you rotate your tires every 5-10k miles for tread life warranty, if you do it yourself how do you document the work ?

I don't like to take my cars to DT/AT for tire rotation, but for warranty reason I have to do it.
 
Warranty?
Costco once refused to honor a treadwear warranty because I had no written proof or proof in Costco's records that tires were rotated. I had rotated them every 6K miles at home. Wear was even. I took to a second Costco which was not so picky and got the tires replaced with some credit correctly applied to the new tires from the treadwear warranty.
Much later, I tried to get tires rotated at the First Costco mentioned above. The First Costco refused until I showed written proof that I bought all 4 tires at Costco. They were from Costco on two different receipts.
 
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
I never have anyone else rotate my tires. It takes me all of about 30 minutes and I'm done. It takes as long or longer to drive somewhere to have it done. And then I still want to look at the work and re-torque at home anyway. Might as well just do it right once.

Some tire manufactures demand that you rotate your tires every 5-10k miles for tread life warranty, if you do it yourself how do you document the work ?

I don't like to take my cars to DT/AT for tire rotation, but for warranty reason I have to do it.


Your document is the tire itself,If it was not rotated it will show,,Anyone with tire knowlege can visibly see themselves
 
I use a tire shop that charges $10 per tire for lifetime rotation, balance, repair when they install them. They also torque all lugs by hand and a supervisor then checks them on every car. For $40 you can't beat it. Especially in Winter.
 
Originally Posted By: Doog
I use a tire shop that charges $10 per tire for lifetime rotation, balance, repair when they install them. They also torque all lugs by hand and a supervisor then checks them on every car. For $40 you can't beat it. Especially in Winter.

Is this $10 additional to the cost of install and balance when they mount the tire ?
 
Sams does a lifetime rotation and balance when you pay the $9.99 per tire for mounting and balancing. But they are a PIA to get the work done. I can deal with the wait when I buy tires, but not just for a rotation.
 
The shop I bought my tires at will rotate them for free as an included "bonus", but I imagine it would take all day to get them to do it. The last time I had them change the oil too, and it took almost 2 hours. I'm sick of of waiting around for basic stuff like that, so I'm looking to do it myself. I guess I'll just document the rotation and hope I don't need the Michelin warranty.

Sears used to include the rotations too and the store I used was pretty quick about it. Plus you at least had a mall to waste time in.
 
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Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Some tire manufactures demand that you rotate your tires every 5-10k miles for tread life warranty, if you do it yourself how do you document the work ?....


I think you will find that while the warranty calls for documentation, the only time this is enforced is if the tires are not wearing evenly.
 
Since Discount Tire coming to the area, and my first purchase back in ~06 I don't worry about tire maintenance being done right. Sure, I sit at the customer viewing window and watch the rotation, lugs torqued etc. Not saying DT/AT can't make an error, but they are by far the most professional tire outfit I've found.

Before DT came to the area, I did once get a warped rotor though due to uneven torquing of lugs using an air gun alone, by a tire shop.
 
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
I never have anyone else rotate my tires. It takes me all of about 30 minutes and I'm done. It takes as long or longer to drive somewhere to have it done. And then I still want to look at the work and re-torque at home anyway. Might as well just do it right once.

Some tire manufactures demand that you rotate your tires every 5-10k miles for tread life warranty, if you do it yourself how do you document the work ?


I have two thoughts, one of which has been covered by others here. First, if the tires are wearing evenly, it should be clear to whomever is inspecting them that the tires had been properly rotated. Second, I do document in my records when I do the work. I actually have started doing "work orders" for the stuff I do on my vehicles, and I staple all related receipts (for parts purchased, etc) to these work orders. It helps me keep all of my receipts together with the work done. Like an invoice you'd get at a shop, there is a separate area for "labor" and for "parts". So I can rotate tires, change the oil, install new swaybar links, and flush power steering fluid all on one "work order".

In the end, though, if that's not good enough for a tire warranty, I don't much care anyway. I usually get close to the rated mileage out of my tires. I might could force them into $10/tire or something as a pro-rate on the new one, but if it's too much trouble to convince someone, it's not worth my time anyway. If it comes down to it, I'd much rather give up even $100 in a future prorate to know that I rotated them myself and don't have to deal with missing lug nuts, stripped threads, tires not rotated how *I* want them rotated, etc.

As I mentioned earlier, it's also a huge time savings for me to rotate them myself. It's also frankly enjoyable for me to be out there. I'd much rather spend quality time in the garage than sitting in a waiting room looking through a window at someone ELSE working on my car.
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....It's also frankly enjoyable for me to be out there. I'd much rather spend quality time in the garage than sitting in a waiting room looking through a window at someone ELSE working on my car...

To each their own, but rotating tires would not be quality maintenance time for me, I'd find it to be rather an unwieldy process. Otoh watching DT take the pneumatic wire brush to the hubs and wheels to remove any surface rust, mark each tire with chalk to designate where it's supposed to go as per my instructions, balance the tire and check for punctures, remount and torque each lug to spec, has worked just great for me. And, DT recently found a puncture during a rotation I wasn't aware of, and repaired it properly along with the balance portion of the service. And while a balance likely isn't necessary unless a vibration is noted, still nice to have it done with the rotation. And, that's something I couldn't do at home even if I wanted to. I generally set the air pressure where I want it before the DT visit and instruct them not to adjust.
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My short driveway has a 40 degree angle. No chance of easily changing tires myself. My truck tires are X'd front to back and back tires are just back to front on the same side. So far my FWD car is just been rotating on the same side. No unusual wear has occured on either vehicle.

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These issues some have had are NOTHING compared to my experience with getting tires rotated. My Dad used to take his Accord, purchased by myself recently, to the Honda dealer for all service, well they "rotated" the tires and threw in a free extra "service". I found the following year when I went to rotate the tires, that they had CROSS THREADED ALL EIGHT STUDS AND LUG NUTS on the front wheels.
 
Originally Posted By: sayjac
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....It's also frankly enjoyable for me to be out there. I'd much rather spend quality time in the garage than sitting in a waiting room looking through a window at someone ELSE working on my car...

To each their own, but rotating tires would not be quality maintenance time for me, I'd find it to be rather an unwieldy process. Otoh watching DT take the pneumatic wire brush to the hubs and wheels to remove any surface rust, mark each tire with chalk to designate where it's supposed to go as per my instructions, balance the tire and check for punctures, remount and torque each lug to spec, has worked just great for me. And, DT recently found a puncture during a rotation I wasn't aware of, and repaired it properly along with the balance portion of the service. And while a balance likely isn't necessary unless a vibration is noted, still nice to have it done with the rotation. And, that's something I couldn't do at home even if I wanted to. I generally set the air pressure where I want it before the DT visit and instruct them not to adjust.
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I agree with most of your points, the exception is I ask them to check/inflate the tires' pressure after rotation, usually 6 PSI above placard for front tires and +4 for rear tires, and they had it done correctly all the times. The reason is I only have bicycle pump, and it is some work if I need to add 3-4 PSI for each tire.
 
As someone who has spent more time than most under cars and trucks I can see the writing on the wall after 40+ years of doing almost all the work myself. It's going to end some day as I'm not getting any younger.

Everyone is different. I have tons of horror stories of stealerships and independents ripping me off. I also have NEVER failed to find a decent local who will take care of stuff for me.

The extra costs are the only downside if you find the right guy.
 
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