Finally I got rid of hard to starting problem.

[RyanHeo]

Hi.
I had have suffered from the hard to starting problem. The car was dead completely on the last staturday, so it was tow to repair shop in which the car has repaired 6 months ago. This is the repair description.

***Labor***
CRANK NO START. -------------------- $259.00
FOUND NO SPARK. SPARK PLUGS ARE GAS FOULED COMPRESSION IS LOW. REPLACED SPARK PLUGS CLEANED CYLINDERS OF FUEL ADD OIL TO BRING COMPRESSION BAKC. PIN POINT TESTING FOUND CRANK SENSOR AT THE TRANSMISSION WAS BAD, REPLACED CARNK SENSOR AND VEHICLE STARTED.

CRANKSHAFT POSITION SENSOR - Remove&Replace ..............$37.00

***Parts***
CRANKSHAFT POSITION SENSOR ..................... $131.56
SPARK PLUG ..................................... $53.76
SHOP SUPPLIES .................................. $ 6.00


GRAND TOTAL ,................................... $500.80.

I'm still don't know what kinds of oil did the mechanic put in the engine to bring compression back on the labor description?
Thanks. How to clean the cylinders?

 

[Merkava_4]

Holy Smokes!

All you got for $500 was a set of spark plugs and a crankshaft position sensor?

 

[dwendt44]

He may have squirted a shot or two in each cylinder while changing the plugs.
Once engine started that oil would be burned off though.

 

[mechtech2]

You got reamed on labor. The diagnosis was reported to be by the hand held tester - only a few minutes.
A possible oil change and new spark plugs still don't make that total for labor right.

 

[Tosh]

Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
Holy Smokes!

All you got for $500 was a set of spark plugs and a crankshaft position sensor?

"Pin point testing" doesn't just fall from the sky.

 

[Merkava_4]

Quote:
"Pin point testing" doesn't just fall from the sky.


Yes I know, but a sharp technician wouldn't have needed to charge more than hour's labor for finding a faulty crank sensor.

 

[XS650]

Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
Quote:
"Pin point testing" doesn't just fall from the sky.


Yes I know, but a sharp technician wouldn't have needed to charge more than hour's labor for finding a faulty crank sensor.


Shouldn't that have shown up in about 10 seconds by hooking the car up to a good OBDII reader and cranking it?

Whata ream job.

 

[Merkava_4]

Yes absolutely; a half hour's labor charge would've been more realistic.

 

[XS650]

Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
Yes absolutely; a half hour's labor charge would've been more realistic.


That mechanic's fixit process was like a plumber finding that no water was coming out of a bathroom sink faucet then using a plunger on the toilet bowl.

 

[Eddie]

Does anyone charge labor time by thr 1/4 or 1/2 hour? I think this job was maybe a one hour labor job. Drive car to stall-open hood-connect reader-remove spark plugs-replace sensor-replace spark plugs- start engine-close hood-move car to lot-call customer. I can see at most 1&1/2 hour labor.

 

[XS650]

Originally Posted By: Eddie
Does anyone charge labor time by thr 1/4 or 1/2 hour? I think this job was maybe a one hour labor job. Drive car to stall-open hood-connect reader-remove spark plugs-replace sensor-replace spark plugs- start engine-close hood-move car to lot-call customer. I can see at most 1&1/2 hour labor.


There was no reason to remove the spark plugs.

The mech was either one clown short of a circus or a con.

 

[Merkava_4]

Quote:
Does anyone charge labor time by thr 1/4 or 1/2 hour?


If they wanted to be nice guys they would; an example would be the changing of an air filter.

 

[Tosh]

Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
Quote:
"Pin point testing" doesn't just fall from the sky.


Yes I know, but a sharp technician wouldn't have needed to charge more than hour's labor for finding a faulty crank sensor.

Who else but a "sharp" technician could have applied "pin point testing?" Get it? It's a play on words. Plus I just love seeing the phrase "pin point testing" on a work order to justify 2.5 hour's worth of labor. They probably have a whole phrase book with suitable terms like this.

 

[punisher]

If it was a bad crank sensor, how were the injectors even firing in order to fuel foul the plugs and wash down the cylinders?

Our shop would have gone 1.3hrs diag(with pinpoint) plus labor to R&R plugs and sensor.

I was lucky. On FoMoCo vehicles the "ck eng" light goes off when the PCM receives a crank signal. If the light remains on when the engine is cranking, you immediately know there is a problem in the CKP/CKP circuit.