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EV out of charge — no problem
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Motor Trend's Frank Markus just did a big article on this in his tech column of the fall issue. Pretty interesting and could be a viable solution to charging stations. Would just take standardization of batteries, mounting, connections etc. Well, there goes that idea 
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.Early on cellphones had easy to replace batteries. This was thought to be the future. As batteries became cheaper and denser cellphones didn't need multiple batteries or to swap. A vehicle would need to be engineered from tbe start to have this capability plus have a storage network to hold, repair, and recycle batteries.
What was old is new again. Based on 2023 legislation passed by the European Union, all phones sold under the EU footprint will need to have replaceable batteries by 2027. This is a win for all consumers, including the U.S., because the major smartphone manufacturers (e.g., Apple, Samsung, Google) mostly produce standard models for global consumption.
"Replicable" and "easy to replace" are two very different concepts.
The whole premise behind the EU's decision is to make collecting batteries for recycling easier, not any consumer-centric reasons.
tl;dr - You're still not going to be able to swap batteries in your smartphone, even after 2027
With all the screw ups I've read about here with a simple oil change, one can only imagine what could go wrong with a battery swap. Flame suit on.
Literally.
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There is a reason why automation is being pushed for and heavily invested in. Like that saying that the best argument against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with an average o̶i̶l̶ ̶c̶h̶a̶n̶g̶e̶r̶ voter
All the batteries would end up in a small number of places.
If they wanted, they could make an oil change a lot more idiot proof and easier to do.
Maybe, but they've been screwing them up for decades, so there might not be much hope.
Click bait story but battery swaps would never work here.
Large warehouses that use battery forklifts typically swap out the battery in them.
Maybe I'm missing something, but I've never seen the point of battery swaps for regular consumer vehicles.
I get that, but I imagine a gas station, even one gas station with a dozen pumps. How would these buildings handle a whole population?
I can see it being used for a taxi in China, The building would most likely support the taxi industry.
and the cost! Someone has to invest and buy hundreds of battery packs for each building.
This idea was out like a gazillion years ago. It makes perfect sense for taxis.
Exactly. I don't know the math, but if 1 battery is in a car and 1 is being charged, that's 2 batteries for every car. And that assumes optimal distribution, which is impossible.
I'll just keep charging in the garage for now...
Right. I know how I'm treating the battery too. There's no guesswork on battery health that way.
My wife had a Samsung Note 2 from circa 2013. I could pop the battery cover off with a coin or even a fingernail. When she was complaining about poor battery life, I got an OEM replacement from Amazon for maybe $20. But it certainly wasn't water resistant, which is the primary reason why it's so difficult to replace a battery these days. It's not a trivial thing to restore the water resistance since it requires training and the proper equipment to perform the service.