Euro oil in a non European car.

Japanese said:
There are oils for Euro cars, because most cars in Europe are turbo diesel. Diesel fuel is much cheaper there than gasoline and turbo diesel engine have better MPG than gasoline engines too. So a lot of people drive those cars thar are mostly German - VAG (VW/Audi Group), MB, BMW.
Turbo cars need more robust oils and the diesels are high compression engines too. There are significant amount of diesel direct injection too.

ACEA C2/C3 oils are designed to protect the diesel DPF system and the cat. converters too, but they are suitable for gasoline engines too.

ACEA A3/B4 are oils designed mostly for turbo gasoline cars like Porsche, VAG, MB, BMW and turbo diesel cars without DPF. For some reason the turbo German cars always run hotter by default (especially the VAG cars) and for that reason why require more robust oil. The Porsches have rear or mid engine and also struggle with higher temperatures than usual.

Euro emission standards may be a bit stringent than US, but they really don't have that MPG resource conserving thing that EPA enforces here. Or at least I'm not aware.

So people there run ticker oils with higher HTHS values that maybe a bit less efficient for the MPG, but provides much better lubricity protection. That's all.

By using those oils you just ad extra layer of protection to your engine and probably a bit extended OCI. However, some thicker/higher viscosity oils may affect the lubricity of the cam chain in the winter.
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I really want to hear more.
 
Japanese said:
There are oils for Euro cars, because most cars in Europe are turbo diesel. Diesel fuel is much cheaper there than gasoline and turbo diesel engine have better MPG than gasoline engines too. So a lot of people drive those cars thar are mostly German - VAG (VW/Audi Group), MB, BMW.
Turbo cars need more robust oils and the diesels are high compression engines too. There are significant amount of diesel direct injection too.

ACEA C2/C3 oils are designed to protect the diesel DPF system and the cat. converters too, but they are suitable for gasoline engines too.

ACEA A3/B4 are oils designed mostly for turbo gasoline cars like Porsche, VAG, MB, BMW and turbo diesel cars without DPF. For some reason the turbo German cars always run hotter by default (especially the VAG cars) and for that reason why require more robust oil. The Porsches have rear or mid engine and also struggle with higher temperatures than usual.

Euro emission standards may be a bit stringent than US, but they really don't have that MPG resource conserving thing that EPA enforces here. Or at least I'm not aware.

So people there run ticker oils with higher HTHS values that maybe a bit less efficient for the MPG, but provides much better lubricity protection. That's all.

By using those oils you just ad extra layer of protection to your engine and probably a bit extended OCI. However, some thicker/higher viscosity oils may affect the lubricity of the cam chain in the winter.
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Are you sure about this? My understanding is that most European countries started realizing that their earlier understandings of the environmental benefits of diesel engines were wrong, and for probably over a decade now, diesel passenger cars only account for about 10% of the cars on European roads. If I recall correctly, there is still one of the countries (Spain?) that still has a larger share of diesel cars on the road, but it is changing there also.

Well, the articles I have read before, may be wrong. A quick search shows that at least as recently as 2019, there are a lot more diesel passenger cars in Europe than I thought. But the data still shows a trend towards fewer diesel passenger cars in Europe.
 
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Japanese said:
There are oils for Euro cars, because most cars in Europe are turbo diesel. Diesel fuel is much cheaper there than gasoline and turbo diesel engine have better MPG than gasoline engines too. So a lot of people drive those cars thar are mostly German - VAG (VW/Audi Group), MB, BMW.
Turbo cars need more robust oils and the diesels are high compression engines too. There are significant amount of diesel direct injection too.

ACEA C2/C3 oils are designed to protect the diesel DPF system and the cat. converters too, but they are suitable for gasoline engines too.

ACEA A3/B4 are oils designed mostly for turbo gasoline cars like Porsche, VAG, MB, BMW and turbo diesel cars without DPF. For some reason the turbo German cars always run hotter by default (especially the VAG cars) and for that reason why require more robust oil. The Porsches have rear or mid engine and also struggle with higher temperatures than usual.

Euro emission standards may be a bit stringent than US, but they really don't have that MPG resource conserving thing that EPA enforces here. Or at least I'm not aware.

So people there run ticker oils with higher HTHS values that maybe a bit less efficient for the MPG, but provides much better lubricity protection. That's all.

By using those oils you just ad extra layer of protection to your engine and probably a bit extended OCI. However, some thicker/higher viscosity oils may affect the lubricity of the cam chain in the winter.
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As far as I know, essentially all mass produced gasoline powered new vehicles sold in Europe come with OPF (Otto Particulate Filter). It has been this way for a couple of years.
 
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BHopkins said:
Are you sure about this?
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Sure, I am. I was born there and I see what cars my relatives and friends drive.
The trend for lowering and eventually stop producing diesel cars is recent, may be started in the last 5 years or so. Germany was planning to stop producing diesel engines in 2025. We'll see when that will happen for real, maybe 2030.
For the last 30 years the diesel engines are widely used because of what I mentioned - lower price and better MPG.
The gasoline price in Europe is about 2x the gasoline here.
The current price of the lowest octane gasoline in Europe and the diesel fuel is equal at about $5.72 per gallon. However, any turbo diesel is much more efficient than non-turbo gasoline engine.

People there run the M1 ESP for at least 10-15 years. Mobile decided to bring that oil to the US market until recently. They don't have over there M1 AFE and other watery stuff we run in our engines here. Sure, their mileage is much less than here, in the US.

A lot of people also had converted their gasoline engines to run on propane/LNG and methane because the first is 2x cheaper than gasoline. There are propane/methane stations in Europe for at least 20 years. So what you read on the Internet in terms of type of vehicle driven is completely different from what I see on the streets.
Europe has no less than 44 countries.
 
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Japanese said:
There are oils for Euro cars, because most cars in Europe are turbo diesel. Diesel fuel is much cheaper there than gasoline and turbo diesel engine have better MPG than gasoline engines too. So a lot of people drive those cars thar are mostly German - VAG (VW/Audi Group), MB, BMW.
Turbo cars need more robust oils and the diesels are high compression engines too. There are significant amount of diesel direct injection too.

ACEA C2/C3 oils are designed to protect the diesel DPF system and the cat. converters too, but they are suitable for gasoline engines too.

ACEA A3/B4 are oils designed mostly for turbo gasoline cars like Porsche, VAG, MB, BMW and turbo diesel cars without DPF. For some reason the turbo German cars always run hotter by default (especially the VAG cars) and for that reason why require more robust oil. The Porsches have rear or mid engine and also struggle with higher temperatures than usual.

Euro emission standards may be a bit stringent than US, but they really don't have that MPG resource conserving thing that EPA enforces here. Or at least I'm not aware.

So people there run ticker oils with higher HTHS values that maybe a bit less efficient for the MPG, but provides much better lubricity protection. That's all.

By using those oils you just ad extra layer of protection to your engine and probably a bit extended OCI. However, some thicker/higher viscosity oils may affect the lubricity of the cam chain in the winter.
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Good info. The way I read this, you are basically saying Euro oils are in general better ...

What is the winter and cam chain relationship? Are you talking about the W rating? The way I read it, sounds like you are saying that thicker oil is bad for cam chain during winter months. Can you elaborate please? Just curious.
 
Japanese said:
Hi and thanks.
About my experience with a bit higher viscosity oil in the winter (5W-30 vs 0W-20) and cam chain noise, you can read it here:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/t...otos-118-000-miles.398623/page-2#post-7336106
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I glanced at your post. Correct me if I am wrong but you are talking about the W rating which is different than "Euro" oil discussion (thicker, higher hths, etc.) you were having. No?

It sounded like you were saying Euro oil are bad for cam chain in winter and it caught my attention.

Anyways, wasn't trying to be a nitpick. And the W rating and cam chain issues or noise relationship is another subject unrelated to my previous question. So we are not going to get into that one. I am sure it has it's own many threads. :ROFLMAO:
 
So the Euro oils are thick only on the upper side KV@100°, but not on the W rating and KV@40°?
So we are not going to get into that one. I am sure it has it's own many threads.
 
Japanese said:
Sure, I am. I was born there and I see what cars my relatives and friends drive.
The trend for lowering and eventually stop producing diesel cars is recent, may be started in the last 5 years or so. Germany was planning to stop producing diesel engines in 2025. We'll see when that will happen for real, maybe 2030.
For the last 30 years the diesel engines are widely used because of what I mentioned - lower price and better MPG.
The gasoline price in Europe is about 2x the gasoline here.
The current price of the lowest octane gasoline in Europe and the diesel fuel is equal at about $5.72 per gallon. However, any turbo diesel is much more efficient than non-turbo gasoline engine.

People there run the M1 ESP for at least 10-15 years. Mobile decided to bring that oil to the US market until recently. They don't have over there M1 AFE and other watery stuff we run in our engines here. Sure, their mileage is much less than here, in the US.

A lot of people also had converted their gasoline engines to run on propane/LNG and methane because the first is 2x cheaper than gasoline. There are propane/methane stations in Europe for at least 20 years. So what you read on the Internet in terms of type of vehicle driven is completely different from what I see on the streets.
Europe has no less than 44 countries.
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Absolutely not true in EU.
Gasoline engines and hybrids took over.
What you talking about are markets where used vehicles from Germany &Co find their way.

Also, diesel vehicles were NEVER cheaper than their counterparts. They always carried premium of few thousands euros over comparable gasoline vehicle.
 
edyvw said:
What you talking about are markets where used vehicles from Germany &Co find their way.
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Yes, that. So that's not Europe for you?
Are you telling me most of the people in Germany and Western Europe drive brand new vehicles?
People still buy used turbo diesels because they can go heavy on the mileage and still make good MPG.
 
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