I'm pretty sure there are some high end Ester Oils that contain a lot of Moly in the MOS2 form. Since moly is supposed to plate, and esters are good cleaners getting down to the metal to clean, how do the 2 products work together? Wouldn't the Esters lift the moly off the metal? Just wondering so go easy on me Shipmates.
Ester Oils and Moly?
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Like redline and motul 300v? Its not MoS2 anymore. Think of it as flies and hornets competing for the a toad carcass. There is also detergent compond competition at the same surfaces too. Thats why I'm no fan of high detergency oil for high stress driving.
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Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Like redline and motul 300v? Its not MoS2 anymore. Think of it as flies and hornets competing for the a toad carcass. There is also detergent compond competition at the same surfaces too. Thats why I'm no fan of high detergency oil for high stress driving.
hence VR1 is low detergent
But what about all those folks who use HDEO for towing & in their race cars??? Don't HDEO's have lots of detergent?
Like redline and motul 300v? Its not MoS2 anymore. Think of it as flies and hornets competing for the a toad carcass. There is also detergent compond competition at the same surfaces too. Thats why I'm no fan of high detergency oil for high stress driving.
hence VR1 is low detergent
But what about all those folks who use HDEO for towing & in their race cars??? Don't HDEO's have lots of detergent?
Originally Posted By: ADFD1
I'm pretty sure there are some high end Ester Oils that contain a lot of Moly in the MOS2 form. Since moly is supposed to plate, and esters are good cleaners getting down to the metal to clean, how do the 2 products work together? Wouldn't the Esters lift the moly off the metal? Just wondering so go easy on me Shipmates.
That's a good question. Arcographite also makes an interesting point about not liking hi-detergent oils in hi-stress driving.
I'm pretty sure there are some high end Ester Oils that contain a lot of Moly in the MOS2 form. Since moly is supposed to plate, and esters are good cleaners getting down to the metal to clean, how do the 2 products work together? Wouldn't the Esters lift the moly off the metal? Just wondering so go easy on me Shipmates.
That's a good question. Arcographite also makes an interesting point about not liking hi-detergent oils in hi-stress driving.
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Like redline and motul 300v? Its not MoS2 anymore. Think of it as flies and hornets competing for the a toad carcass. There is also detergent compond competition at the same surfaces too. Thats why I'm no fan of high detergency oil for high stress driving.
Good analogy. IIRC you're a fan of Lubro-Moly? Do you feel the oils add pack competes with it, not allowing it to plate, and fighting to remove it? Or an ester oil would be a bad choice to mix it with?
Like redline and motul 300v? Its not MoS2 anymore. Think of it as flies and hornets competing for the a toad carcass. There is also detergent compond competition at the same surfaces too. Thats why I'm no fan of high detergency oil for high stress driving.
Good analogy. IIRC you're a fan of Lubro-Moly? Do you feel the oils add pack competes with it, not allowing it to plate, and fighting to remove it? Or an ester oil would be a bad choice to mix it with?
Originally Posted By: ADFD1
I'm pretty sure there are some high end Ester Oils that contain a lot of Moly in the MOS2 form. Since moly is supposed to plate, and esters are good cleaners getting down to the metal to clean, how do the 2 products work together? Wouldn't the Esters lift the moly off the metal? Just wondering so go easy on me Shipmates.
Pretty good question. I'm not sure of the answer either.
I'm pretty sure there are some high end Ester Oils that contain a lot of Moly in the MOS2 form. Since moly is supposed to plate, and esters are good cleaners getting down to the metal to clean, how do the 2 products work together? Wouldn't the Esters lift the moly off the metal? Just wondering so go easy on me Shipmates.
Pretty good question. I'm not sure of the answer either.
Plating is not a good word choice or analogy.
What would be a better choice of words? Everything I've read about MoS2 states it plates itself to metal. Mind you it does not reconstruct worn or damaged metal.
Is it useful in Ester oils? Can it damage or harm softer yellow metals?
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Is it useful in Ester oils? Can it damage or harm softer yellow metals?
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"Plating" is reserved for aqueous systems. Even mechanical plating. Perhaps "uneven temporary thin film mechanical/pressure heat deposition" would fit, but even then that more than implies there is some uniformity to the process. It's not like you can stick a bar of steel in a beaker of moly oil and get a moly coating.
Sure - even with esters good EP/AW layers come in handy. Attack? Strong word. Mo compounds can remove surface layers of copper, for example. I used to design aqueous copper cleaners. Some formulas actually contained Mo compounds.
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Sure - even with esters good EP/AW layers come in handy. Attack? Strong word. Mo compounds can remove surface layers of copper, for example. I used to design aqueous copper cleaners. Some formulas actually contained Mo compounds.
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My experience with moly plating... moly needs extreme heat, and or pressure (which are normally combined in mechanical world) is moly will bond itself to the substructure. However this can be a disadvantage as the moly builds up a layer that defeats itself by changing tolerances (very tight ground, honed, we are talking in the range of microns, maybe just over) over time, and this layer tends to gall when things get out of control. I don't see the amount of moly, and the types of mechanical, and heat combined in an engine causing this problem, and also the problems I have seen seem to be caused by a dry or semi dry environment when the disadvantages of moly present them-self. Moly in a oil bath/sump of the really low temps we run in the sump I don't see causing a problem, however when moly enters the combustion chamber areas then they could present a problem... I also seen when moly has bonded with a metal no oil, ester or anything would be able to break the bond.
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Thanks Pablo. So the yellow metals are safe with moly in oils?
Absolutely in a well formulated oil.
Thanks Pablo. So the yellow metals are safe with moly in oils?
Absolutely in a well formulated oil.
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