Engine vibration after rebuild

Who did the rebuild? I would have them check it out. If its a Jasper or other big reman outfit it is almost a certainty the thing was hosed right out of the crate.
It was my brother-in-law. It's awkward because he rebuilt the engine for the cost of parts only and I feel like I don't have any leverage. On the other hand, if he screwed something up, I shouldn't have to just live with it because I don't have a receipt. I guess it couldn't hurt to ask, but I'll bet a paycheck he says it's fine or normal lol
 
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That is a tough spot to be in, make sure the engine mounts are neutral and not the cause and all the other common sources for vibration, if no joy have it checked out by a Toyota dealer and get a diagnosis. Whatever you do please do not start a family war over this, nothing good can come of it.
I don't know if this can be done with the engine in the car or not as I am not familiar with the internal working of this engine but they will know.
A quick search turned this up, there seems to be a lot of misinformation about these balance shaft markings.


https://www.toyotanation.com/threads/vibration-after-engine-rebuild.1368594/
 
That is a tough spot to be in, make sure the engine mounts are neutral and not the cause and all the other common sources for vibration, if no joy have it checked out by a Toyota dealer and get a diagnosis. Whatever you do please do not start a family war over this, nothing good can come of it.
I don't know if this can be done with the engine in the car or not as I am not familiar with the internal working of this engine but they will know.
A quick search turned this up, there seems to be a lot of misinformation about these balance shaft markings.


https://www.toyotanation.com/threads/vibration-after-engine-rebuild.1368594/
Thanks Trav. I'll check the motor mounts and or have it looked at. I don't remember if it vibrated like this right after the new mount was installed and it may just be a little loose or not lined up just right. Either way I'm not going to bother my brother with it unless I'm sure what's wrong and if it had anything to do with his work. I'll keep everyone posted.
 
Well, I got the motor mount changed out. The old one was bad (torn/soft), but the vibration is still there. It's actually not any better at all. Around 8-900 RPM there's a fast, resonant vibration throughout the car. From what I've read about balance shafts being off, it seems the vibrations are all above 1500 RPM. My mechanic said with Toyota 4 cylinders it's very difficult to get the vibrations out. It's like a constant subwoofer note when I sit and idle in park. I usually just turn the car off, but once it gets hot (or cold) outside, I won't be able to do that.
 
I just helped a buddy buy a 300,000 mile Camry and get it road worthy. His had a bad vibe at 800 rpm idle in gear. upper engine mount at the passenger strut tower resolved that.

if your vibe is above 1500 however, that’s more an engine imbalance than a mount issue. Mount issues I believe show up more at lower speeds.
 
I just helped a buddy buy a 300,000 mile Camry and get it road worthy. His had a bad vibe at 800 rpm idle in gear. upper engine mount at the passenger strut tower resolved that.

if your vibe is above 1500 however, that’s more an engine imbalance than a mount issue. Mount issues I believe show up more at lower speeds.
Well, the mount you speak of is the only one I haven't replaced. I should go ahead and replace it anyway. Fortunately it's the easiest one :-)
 
I just helped a buddy buy a 300,000 mile Camry and get it road worthy. His had a bad vibe at 800 rpm idle in gear. upper engine mount at the passenger strut tower resolved that.

if your vibe is above 1500 however, that’s more an engine imbalance than a mount issue. Mount issues I believe show up more at lower speeds.
Mine vibrates in and out of gear, hot or cold, between 700 and 1000 rpm and is smooth above and below that. Was the Camry that way too?
 
Mine vibrates in and out of gear, hot or cold, between 700 and 1000 rpm and is smooth above and below that. Was the Camry that way too?
i noticedthe vibration at idle in gear. Don’t recall it in N. It’s the easiest mount.... I’d do it to be certain. The old one looked ok but there was a big difference when replaced.
 
I was reading an article that mentioned the difference between engine speed and engine load vibration. From what I gather, it seems bad motor mounts cause load-related vibration and improve in neutral/park. This is not the case with my engine. There is a fast "brrrrrr" type vibration that starts at 700 RPM and intensifies around 800-900, then decreases to nothing above about 1000 RPM. There are no strange noises, but you can see the engine vibrating (not a lot of motion, but intense and resonant throughout the car) I'm going to change the top motor mount anyway, but it doesn't seem like the issue since the nature of mount-related vibration is different. Any other ideas as to what this could be? It's driving me nuts.
 
*Update* It was the top, passenger side motor mount. The old one looked fine (as they often do), but it was very flimsy and had a lot of play compared to the new one. I changed it out myself in about 45 minutes. It was easy except for one bolt I had to crawl under the car and get from underneath. When I started it cold, I was stunned that I could only hear the engine-I had gotten so used to the horrible vibration until it was warmed up. Had to buy a 1/2" extension and a couple deep sockets, but way better than taking it somewhere, which would have been at least $100.
 
It surprised me too! The old one which came out of my friends looked perfectly acceptable to my eye - but the end result was undeniably huge. It’s probably why the previous owner sold the car and the dealer couldn’t turn it.
 
Would there be any other symptoms if the balance shaft timing was off? Would it only cause vibrations in such a narrow rpm band? The guy who rebuilt my engine mentioned not knowing how to set up the timing and he would have to get someone else to do it.
Vibration in an engine with balance shafts, check the shaft timing FIRST. That's 10:1 gonna be your problem.

I can't tell you about this model or engine but as a generality these shafts have little counterweights and spin at a multiple of engine RPM. They're designed to cancel out harmonics of the (unavoidable) imbalance in a normal ICE. However this only works if the counterweights are correctly synchronized so they cancel the built-in vibration. They can easily be installed so they add to the vibration and then you've got exactly what you've (probably) got.

Generally the balance shafts are driven from the timing belt so fixing wrong synch is done by accessing the belt, slacking it off, following the directions to put the shaft(s) in the right place, and tightening the belt again.

You may be able to check correct/incorrect timing without digging very deeply. On the Mitsubishi 4G64 2.4L engines there's a plug on the left side of the block, you take that out, set the engine to TDC and put screwdriver in the hole you took the plug from If it goes in 60 mm you're okay, if not the shaft is wrong. (Or the reverse -- I haven't done this lately)

The problem on that engine is that that shaft is driven by the oil pump sprocket but goes at half the OP sprocket RPM. So when the sprocket is correctly aligned (as you put the belt on) the balance shaft can either be right or 180 out and you can't see the shaft -- it's in the crankcase. You must try it, stick in your screwdriver, and if wrong, turn the OP sprocket another full turn.

I gave up trying to explain this to mechanics. Those who don't already understand it and get it right, never will.

Anyway, search something like 'vibe/2.4l 2az fe check balance shaft timing' and go from there. This is a must fix problem.

Yes, a balance shaft out of time will kill engine mounts. Plus no telling whatall else if allow to persist.

EDIT: Okay, I've followed my own advice and done the search. Looks like those balance shafts are driven by gears. And the drive is in the crankcase with the shafts. That's a much tougher alignment job than my Mitsubishis. I would take that car to a RAV-4 dealer, show him the symptom, and ask if he thinks it would be worth checking the balance shafts, and what would be the price. Yes, don't bother family about it.
 
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The vibration is back. Not as bad, but it was almost perfect at first, then came back in about a day or two. I torqued the mount again the next day because the bolts were a little soft, but it made no difference. I've never done a motor mount before. It's the top, passenger side torque mount. Any ideas?
 
There are bound to be RAV-4 forums. Why not try your question there and see what you get?

I still think this is likely a balance shaft timing error and will take a dealer (or other mechanic experienced with this engine) to fix, but a forum might get you free advice that could be worth more than you pay for it!
 
There are bound to be RAV-4 forums. Why not try your question there and see what you get?

I still think this is likely a balance shaft timing error and will take a dealer (or other mechanic experienced with this engine) to fix, but a forum might get you free advice that could be worth more than you pay for it!
Could be, but it's really only when the air conditioner is on. I don't know it it's because of the compressor, or just that its at that particular RPM. Good tip on the RAV-4 forums. They also have the weird claw mount instead of the dog bone most 2.4s have.
 
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