E-85 is Horrible! What a joke!
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Originally Posted By: oppirs
E-85 has one merit & only one, higher octane! Good for those high compression engines I use to run.
If they sold E-100 it be $50 a gallon due to a booze tax
Turbocharged cars + E85 could be a win, as long as the engine has a proper computer calibration to extract all the potential out of E85. I've heard of some crazy dyno figures on turbo cars properly equipped and tuned for E85, power levels that simply aren't possible on pump gas.
Right now, all the "flex-fuel" vehicles are a boondoggle. Being able to run E85 does not mean they run well on it!
E-85 has one merit & only one, higher octane! Good for those high compression engines I use to run.
If they sold E-100 it be $50 a gallon due to a booze tax
Turbocharged cars + E85 could be a win, as long as the engine has a proper computer calibration to extract all the potential out of E85. I've heard of some crazy dyno figures on turbo cars properly equipped and tuned for E85, power levels that simply aren't possible on pump gas.
Right now, all the "flex-fuel" vehicles are a boondoggle. Being able to run E85 does not mean they run well on it!
When I bought my 2010 Silverado with the 5.3 flex fuel engine. The salesman told me to expect a 4 to 5 mpg drop in fuel economy when using E85. The fuel mileage is effected to the tune of 2mpg using the E10, I won't use the E85 unless I'm forced into it.
Was someone arguing that fuel economy should go up with E-85?
I don't see the point to this thread beyond being an observation of what is readily apparent.
I don't see the point to this thread beyond being an observation of what is readily apparent.
I think the problem here is that we have too many chiefs and not enough indians!
Originally Posted By: Chevys_n_Hawgs
Don't need any help there, chief. Don't really care about energy content. I care about stuff that actually matters. Fuel economy, and money in my pocket. Git er done, chief.
Same thing happened when I tried it in my Grand Marquis. Yes, I don't care about energy content if they want me to use it would have to be much, much cheaper than gas.
John
Don't need any help there, chief. Don't really care about energy content. I care about stuff that actually matters. Fuel economy, and money in my pocket. Git er done, chief.
Same thing happened when I tried it in my Grand Marquis. Yes, I don't care about energy content if they want me to use it would have to be much, much cheaper than gas.
John
It is unclear how Americans put men on the moon by the looks of this thread.
Originally Posted By: simple_gifts
It is unclear how Americans put men on the moon by the looks of this thread.
We didn't need no calculations chief!!
It is unclear how Americans put men on the moon by the looks of this thread.
We didn't need no calculations chief!!
Originally Posted By: sciphi
Right now, all the "flex-fuel" vehicles are a boondoggle. Being able to run E85 does not mean they run well on it!
A lot of FFVs run great on E85, they just get poor fuel economy. Poor fuel economy does not equal poor running.
If I got the same fuel economy with E85 as I do with regular gas, I would use it all the time. My truck runs fantastic on it, but fuel economy drops greatly so it's generally not worth it unless it's a lot cheaper.
This was never a surprise though because the fuel economy numbers for E85 were on the window sticker below the regular gas fuel economy numbers.
Right now, all the "flex-fuel" vehicles are a boondoggle. Being able to run E85 does not mean they run well on it!
A lot of FFVs run great on E85, they just get poor fuel economy. Poor fuel economy does not equal poor running.
If I got the same fuel economy with E85 as I do with regular gas, I would use it all the time. My truck runs fantastic on it, but fuel economy drops greatly so it's generally not worth it unless it's a lot cheaper.
This was never a surprise though because the fuel economy numbers for E85 were on the window sticker below the regular gas fuel economy numbers.
Originally Posted By: boosted
E 85 is junk not to mention the fellow motorists around you have to smell tha stuff coming out the exhaust, you are better off with good old 87 octane which will keep your truck happier and save you money.
I will agree when you explain to me, in detail, EXACTLY how to run 9.5:1 compression and 25psi of boost on 87 octane!
E 85 is junk not to mention the fellow motorists around you have to smell tha stuff coming out the exhaust, you are better off with good old 87 octane which will keep your truck happier and save you money.
I will agree when you explain to me, in detail, EXACTLY how to run 9.5:1 compression and 25psi of boost on 87 octane!
Originally Posted By: sciphi
Originally Posted By: oppirs
E-85 has one merit & only one, higher octane! Good for those high compression engines I use to run.
If they sold E-100 it be $50 a gallon due to a booze tax
Turbocharged cars + E85 could be a win, as long as the engine has a proper computer calibration to extract all the potential out of E85. I've heard of some crazy dyno figures on turbo cars properly equipped and tuned for E85, power levels that simply aren't possible on pump gas.
Right now, all the "flex-fuel" vehicles are a boondoggle. Being able to run E85 does not mean they run well on it!
Saw a dude from Miami (Dade County, FL plates) who had a Firebird with a custom-tuned ECM controlling a twin-turbo LS1, could run 89 or 93 octane gas, or could run E85. On E85, it was a low 9-second car...and it was the guy's ONLY VEHICLE. he drove it on at least three Power Tours of 3000+ miles EACH. He usually ran it on gas, but if going to the track, he would fill with alky.
Originally Posted By: oppirs
E-85 has one merit & only one, higher octane! Good for those high compression engines I use to run.
If they sold E-100 it be $50 a gallon due to a booze tax
Turbocharged cars + E85 could be a win, as long as the engine has a proper computer calibration to extract all the potential out of E85. I've heard of some crazy dyno figures on turbo cars properly equipped and tuned for E85, power levels that simply aren't possible on pump gas.
Right now, all the "flex-fuel" vehicles are a boondoggle. Being able to run E85 does not mean they run well on it!
Saw a dude from Miami (Dade County, FL plates) who had a Firebird with a custom-tuned ECM controlling a twin-turbo LS1, could run 89 or 93 octane gas, or could run E85. On E85, it was a low 9-second car...and it was the guy's ONLY VEHICLE. he drove it on at least three Power Tours of 3000+ miles EACH. He usually ran it on gas, but if going to the track, he would fill with alky.
Originally Posted By: boosted
E 85 is junk not to mention the fellow motorists around you have to smell tha stuff coming out the exhaust, you are better off with good old 87 octane which will keep your truck happier and save you money.
The exhaust smell of a car running E85 doesn't smell nearly as pungent to me as one running unleaded gas.
Also, despite the drop in MPG (which, as has been pointed out in this thread, is simple physics), there are well-documented benefits to running E85. It burns cooler and cleaner, and in a properly maintained engine is easier on the engine oil, easier on the fuel system, fuel pump, injectors, etc. E85 produces virtually no carbon fouling in the intake and on the valves. Spark plugs should last twice as long on E85 vs unleaded gas.
In the long run, the U.S. is going to have to move to alternative feedstocks for ethanol in addition to corn. And this thread should be moved to the gasoline alternative fuel forum.
E 85 is junk not to mention the fellow motorists around you have to smell tha stuff coming out the exhaust, you are better off with good old 87 octane which will keep your truck happier and save you money.
The exhaust smell of a car running E85 doesn't smell nearly as pungent to me as one running unleaded gas.
Also, despite the drop in MPG (which, as has been pointed out in this thread, is simple physics), there are well-documented benefits to running E85. It burns cooler and cleaner, and in a properly maintained engine is easier on the engine oil, easier on the fuel system, fuel pump, injectors, etc. E85 produces virtually no carbon fouling in the intake and on the valves. Spark plugs should last twice as long on E85 vs unleaded gas.
In the long run, the U.S. is going to have to move to alternative feedstocks for ethanol in addition to corn. And this thread should be moved to the gasoline alternative fuel forum.
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Originally Posted By: oppirs
E-85 has one merit & only one, higher octane! Good for those high compression engines I use to run.
If they sold E-100 it be $50 a gallon due to a booze tax
Do they sell E100 at race tracks?
Ethanol forms an azeotrope (non-distillable/thermally separable mixture) with benzene, so I was under the impression that "pure" ethanol for non-consumption use had a bit of benzene in it to make it poisonous.
E-85 has one merit & only one, higher octane! Good for those high compression engines I use to run.
If they sold E-100 it be $50 a gallon due to a booze tax
Do they sell E100 at race tracks?
Ethanol forms an azeotrope (non-distillable/thermally separable mixture) with benzene, so I was under the impression that "pure" ethanol for non-consumption use had a bit of benzene in it to make it poisonous.
Originally Posted By: 01rangerxl
Originally Posted By: simple_gifts
It is unclear how Americans put men on the moon by the looks of this thread.
We didn't need no calculations chief!!
Ha!
Two best posts in the thread.
I agree the OP's observations are easily explained by the energy content issue. His refusal to acknowledge the energy content difference as an explanation is what's so strange.
Originally Posted By: simple_gifts
It is unclear how Americans put men on the moon by the looks of this thread.
We didn't need no calculations chief!!
Ha!
Two best posts in the thread.
I agree the OP's observations are easily explained by the energy content issue. His refusal to acknowledge the energy content difference as an explanation is what's so strange.
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Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Do they sell E100 at race tracks?
Ethanol forms an azeotrope (non-distillable/thermally separable mixture) with benzene, so I was under the impression that "pure" ethanol for non-consumption use had a bit of benzene in it to make it poisonous.
It was a joke! I took a tour of an Ethanol plant in NW Illinois. Since it corn it's consumable as moonshine just before they add 15% gas to meet the Feds standards. When in the labs they had it secure like Fort Knox. I think someone on staff maybe an agent for the Feds as even joking about moonshine was frowned at. But the guide did admit later it was drinkable and 199+% proof. But no one gets near those huge stills unless a tech is taking a test sample to the labs.
Of course your right E100 needs something added, so your can't drink it at whatever $$$ per gallon.
Do they sell E100 at race tracks?
Ethanol forms an azeotrope (non-distillable/thermally separable mixture) with benzene, so I was under the impression that "pure" ethanol for non-consumption use had a bit of benzene in it to make it poisonous.
It was a joke! I took a tour of an Ethanol plant in NW Illinois. Since it corn it's consumable as moonshine just before they add 15% gas to meet the Feds standards. When in the labs they had it secure like Fort Knox. I think someone on staff maybe an agent for the Feds as even joking about moonshine was frowned at. But the guide did admit later it was drinkable and 199+% proof. But no one gets near those huge stills unless a tech is taking a test sample to the labs.
Of course your right E100 needs something added, so your can't drink it at whatever $$$ per gallon.
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
E85 has 72% of the energy content of gasoline and the price is 95% is not a good value.
Indeed!
We have a WINNER!
Stop making so much sense, the "authorities" will remove your post.
E85 has 72% of the energy content of gasoline and the price is 95% is not a good value.
Indeed!
We have a WINNER!
Stop making so much sense, the "authorities" will remove your post.
I am sorry I do not see that dramatic of fuel efficiency loss using E85. It is closer to 20% when I use it. If I am averaging close to 18MPG on my truck when I use E85 I get around 14.5-15MPG. On top of that throttle response is much more pronounced but around here I have to go out of my way to get it and for it cost around 90% of the cost for gas so it is not worth it to me.
well time for the MMO. LOL
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: oppirs
E-85 has one merit & only one, higher octane! Good for those high compression engines I use to run.
If they sold E-100 it be $50 a gallon due to a booze tax
Do they sell E100 at race tracks?
Ethanol forms an azeotrope (non-distillable/thermally separable mixture) with benzene, so I was under the impression that "pure" ethanol for non-consumption use had a bit of benzene in it to make it poisonous.
Usually...that is "denatured" alcohol.
Originally Posted By: oppirs
E-85 has one merit & only one, higher octane! Good for those high compression engines I use to run.
If they sold E-100 it be $50 a gallon due to a booze tax
Do they sell E100 at race tracks?
Ethanol forms an azeotrope (non-distillable/thermally separable mixture) with benzene, so I was under the impression that "pure" ethanol for non-consumption use had a bit of benzene in it to make it poisonous.
Usually...that is "denatured" alcohol.
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