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I met one of the new Tundras yesterday and I thought it sure looked familiar. Then it hit me:
Now THAT is funny................
Drove the new 2007 Tundra and all competition!!!
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Now THAT is funny................
you must not ever rent cars....a lot I have had have been Camrys
I dont. But when I do, I hardly ever see an import. Ford and Dodge mainly.
I think it was Enterprise that rented Camry's and Titans. Although the majority was Dodge products
I rented a Mazda Protege once. Actually, it was a nice car. They also had Toyota Camrys there but the Mazda was cheaper to rent.
quote".IMO its only a matter of time before we see some 3/4 and 1 ton trucks from Toyota and with that super V8 and drive train i think the demise of the U.S. manufactures dominance in this market sector is only a short time away."
Toyota will never take over the work truck market. Guys who actually work with their truck are a high percentage union trades who would not be caught dead in a toyota. Toyotas spindly ifs front end will not even survive the potholes of the northeast unloaded in suburban cowboy mode never mind loaded and working.
Check out the toyota website making the video of the new tundra commmercial. There are 3 work trucks visible on the site. Wanna quess what brand ? Hint they are not toys.
Still amazes me the number of toyota cheerleaders on this site who actively cheer for the demise of the American auto manufacturing industry. BTW GM employs more americans in one factory than toyota employs in the whole US.
Toyota will never take over the work truck market. Guys who actually work with their truck are a high percentage union trades who would not be caught dead in a toyota. Toyotas spindly ifs front end will not even survive the potholes of the northeast unloaded in suburban cowboy mode never mind loaded and working.
Check out the toyota website making the video of the new tundra commmercial. There are 3 work trucks visible on the site. Wanna quess what brand ? Hint they are not toys.
Still amazes me the number of toyota cheerleaders on this site who actively cheer for the demise of the American auto manufacturing industry. BTW GM employs more americans in one factory than toyota employs in the whole US.
Toyota may soon be the leader in world sales, and deservedly so. They have put out the effort. However, they have a long way to go before they pass GM in US sales.
I also agree that I'm amazed how many people want the end of the US auto industry. When they wake up one day and find they dont have a job either is when they'll say, what happened? While I'm a strong believer in a global economy, your local, regional, and national economy has a fairly direct benefit on you too!
I also agree that I'm amazed how many people want the end of the US auto industry. When they wake up one day and find they dont have a job either is when they'll say, what happened? While I'm a strong believer in a global economy, your local, regional, and national economy has a fairly direct benefit on you too!
I hope you are not insinuating i want to see the demise of the American automobile industry,i drive an expedition and a Chevy 1500 work truck.U.S. quality is down and all this flag waving isn't going to improve a darn thing.The only thing that will help is competition.If U.S. manufacturers cant or wont give more quality then they will loose their share to competitors who will.U.S. auto manufacturers have been hosing buyers for years with shoddy junk and now when a company comes along providing bullet proof quality at a fair price they cry foul,i for one will not be pressured into buying inferior products by flag waving unionist,i will buy what i want with my money.
"BTW GM employs more Americans in one factory than Toyota employs in the whole US"
Thats is a total falsehood and a wildly exaggerated statement.Why do people make statements like this?
http://www.thecarconnection.com/Industry...S175.A9083.html
U.S. product development, manufacturing, and sales and marketing operations, while an additional 74,060 workers were directly employed in new-vehicle, dealer-related operations.
Thats is a total falsehood and a wildly exaggerated statement.Why do people make statements like this?
http://www.thecarconnection.com/Industry...S175.A9083.html
U.S. product development, manufacturing, and sales and marketing operations, while an additional 74,060 workers were directly employed in new-vehicle, dealer-related operations.
Oh yes. Want to know what happens when your local jurisdiction starts losing it's commercial tax base or never had one to begin with? Your property tax bill starts going up, sometimes significantly, as the tax burden gets shifted to residential properties instead of commercial ones.
I think what he was trying to say is GM by itself employs more Americans than all the foreign transplants combined. That is a fact, like it or not. The imports don't provide anywhere near the jobs that are lost. I think all the hype about Toyota and the GM bashing is that the import buyers somehow have to justify their "smart" decision, even when the facts are that Toyota has lots of recent recalls and GM has won many quality awards. All the good things the domestics have to offer are meaningless to them. #@$%!, they haven't even beaten GM in total sales. Maybe it's snobbery or just plain embarrassment that they paid thousands more for the car, pay 2-5X more for parts, and have a mechanical nightmare to work on in a lot of cases.
"BTW GM employs more Americans in one factory than Toyota employs in the whole US"
I maybe German but please my English isn't that bad.This statement IMO was meant to mislead nothing more.
"GM has won many quality awards"
Sure for the piston slapping oil leaking N* and 6.0 or all the intake leaker's,Piston slap and oil leaking are conditions that GM claims are normal even for their premiere product.Toyota has a little sludge problem and extends the warranty on the engine to 8 yrs.junk is junk and that is a fact like it or not.
I maybe German but please my English isn't that bad.This statement IMO was meant to mislead nothing more.
"GM has won many quality awards"
Sure for the piston slapping oil leaking N* and 6.0 or all the intake leaker's,Piston slap and oil leaking are conditions that GM claims are normal even for their premiere product.Toyota has a little sludge problem and extends the warranty on the engine to 8 yrs.junk is junk and that is a fact like it or not.
Well one point really overlooked here is the maintenence costs for this new Tundra. How much for new brakes? New rotors? New trans job? New shocks or springs? What indy shop is going to have overnight access to parts? Who likes to take their out of warranty truck to the dealer for repairs? What if you need engine parts?
Hey Trav, your bias is only overwhelmed by your lack of knowledge of vehicles, recalls, and your belief that internet forum groups are truths based on the voice of a few. You prove your fact with your Toyota "little sludge problem" line. Junk IS junk, you are correct there. If GM built so much junk it wouldnt outsell Toyota in the US by OVER 2 to 1.
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I think what he was trying to say is GM by itself employs more Americans than all the foreign transplants combined. That is a fact, like it or not. The imports don't provide anywhere near the jobs that are lost. I think all the hype about Toyota and the GM bashing is that the import buyers somehow have to justify their "smart" decision, even when the facts are that Toyota has lots of recent recalls and GM has won many quality awards. All the good things the domestics have to offer are meaningless to them. #@$%!, they haven't even beaten GM in total sales. Maybe it's snobbery or just plain embarrassment that they paid thousands more for the car, pay 2-5X more for parts, and have a mechanical nightmare to work on in a lot of cases.
It sure does seem this way on here (and the country as a whole, sometimes) dosen't it?!?
I will admit to a slight piston slap in my LS1 engine. But you know what, your beloved Toyota/Japan, Inc. have not been able to give me this performance stock, right off the showroom floor (NO, not even your "all-conquering" MKIV Supra) in ANYTHING they offer, let alone for the price I paid. BTW, it's running just fine (low-mid 12 second 1/4 miles, >30mpg hwy., NO oil consumption) after >100K miles, 7 years, and if the "dreaded" slap helped in this, then BLESS THEM for it!!
It certainly does NOT have "a little sludge problem"
"If GM built so much junk it wouldnt outsell Toyota in the US by OVER 2 to 1"
More wildly exaggerated claims,where do you folks get this information?
Total sales 2006
GM 334,025
Toyota 222,950
That doesn't look like 2-1 to me or maybe i didn't learn to use fuzzy math as well as you did.Take the ever increasing sales of Toyota the decreasing GM sales along with the new Tundra sales and the 2007 numbers maybe very different.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/03/AR2006100301548.html
More wildly exaggerated claims,where do you folks get this information?
Total sales 2006
GM 334,025
Toyota 222,950
That doesn't look like 2-1 to me or maybe i didn't learn to use fuzzy math as well as you did.Take the ever increasing sales of Toyota the decreasing GM sales along with the new Tundra sales and the 2007 numbers maybe very different.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/03/AR2006100301548.html
sorry those are total Sept numbers.The year total is..
"The tally stands at 9.18 million vehicles versus 9.02 million'
Now the math is real fuzzy.Could it be that it is you who has a lack of knowledge?
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/20070212/gm-toyota-earnings.htm
"The tally stands at 9.18 million vehicles versus 9.02 million'
Now the math is real fuzzy.Could it be that it is you who has a lack of knowledge?
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/20070212/gm-toyota-earnings.htm
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