Dont touch my junk!

[motorguy222]

Originally Posted By: greenaccord02
They should just let everybody get on the plane with nothing more than the old metal detectors and bomb dogs. I like a gamble, and at some point you have to decide whether you'd take a one in a million chance of dying in a plane crash or get on the plane without a dude grabbin' your junk. I choose to not get my junk grabbed.


While you may like to gamble,there are millions of people that fly that have families and loved one that they want to return home to in one piece,not hundreds.

You also have to consider that the plane could be used as a missile as has already happened.You not only lose the many lives on the plane but you may lose thousands more.I dont know if you are not thinking things through or are just oblivious to what has happened as in happening in terrorism but what you are saying could cost thousands their lives.

Will the searches and body scans help? We dont know but if they can save the life of hundreds or thousands of people,a search or scan that may be personal may be what gets a loved one back home safely.

 

[aquariuscsm]

Originally Posted By: tpitcher

It’s time to whip the test out again.

-1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by
a. Superman
b. Jay Leno
c. Harry Potter
d. Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40

1. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by
a. Olga Corbett
b. Sitting Bull
c. Arnold Schwarzenegger
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

2. In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by:
a. Lost Norwegians
b. Elvis
c. A tour bus full of 80-year-old women
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

3.During the 1980’s a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by:
a. John Dillinger
b. The King of Sweden
c. The Boy Scouts
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

4. In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:
a. A pizza delivery boy
b. Pee Wee Herman
c. Geraldo Rivera
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

5. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by:
a. The Smurfs
b. Davy Jones
c. The Little Mermaid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ag es of 17 and 40

6.In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a US Navy diver trying to rescue passengers was murdered by:
a. Captain Kidd
b. Charles Lindberg
c. Mother Teresa
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

7.In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:
a. Scooby Doo
b. The Tooth Fairy
c. Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

8. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:
a. Richard Simmons
b. Grandma Moses
c. Michael Jordan
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

9.In 1998, the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:
a. Mr. Rogers
b. Hillary Clinton, to distract attention from Wild Bill’ s women problems
c. The World Wrestling Federation
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

10.On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as missiles to take out the World Trade Centers and of the remaining two, one crashed into the US Pentagon and the other was diverted and crashed by the passengers.Thousands of people were killed by:
a. Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck and Elmer Fudd
b. The Supreme Cour t of Florida
c. Mr. Bean
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

11.In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against:
a. Enron
b. The Lutheran Church
c. The NFL

d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

12. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:
a. Bonnie and Clyde
b. Captain Kangaroo
c. Billy Graham
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

13. 2004 - Spain Railway bombings.
Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

14. 2005 London Railway bombings
Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

Nope, I really don’t see a pattern here to justify profiling, do you?

So, to ensure we Americans never offend anyone, particularly fanatics intent on killing us, airport security screeners will no longer be allowed to profile certain people. They must conduct random searches of 80-year-old women, little kids, airline pilots with proper identification, secret agentsof the President’s security detail, 85-year old Congressmen with metal hips, and Medal of Honor winning and former Governor Joe Foss, but leave
Muslim Males between the ages 17 and 40 alone because of profiling.






I feel we should be allowed to profile anyone we want. It`s our country and if they don`t like it,oh well! Too bad too sad! I`m 100% TOTALLY *for* profiling.

 

[Kaboomba]

Originally Posted By: motorguy222

While you may like to gamble,there are millions of people that fly that have families and loved one that they want to return home to in one piece,not hundreds...

...Will the searches and body scans help? We dont know but if they can save the life of hundreds or thousands of people,a search or scan that may be personal may be what gets a loved one back home safely.


Lemme tell ya what keeps loved ones safe: People who have "loved ones" (like me) vowing to perform all duties required to make their fights safe, by dealing with would-be killers to any extent required. Yes, ANY extent required.

Go back and read the stories about how the Panty-Bomber got on the airplane. Passengers who had a bad feeling about him and were suspicious of him (many of them were uncomfortable with him, especially after he wiggled out of having to show a passport or visa) did nothing to challenge his propriety!

TSA will not impliment the very-effective Israeli methods, so it is up to passengers themselves to do so to stay safe.

 

[saberz]

Here is another thing to consider, i lol'd at this because it would be pretty weird.

Say you do a body scan, say you do a metal detect etc. But you comprise the plane with a majority terrorist(no race/religion, but a terrorist, correct phrasing). Whats to stop them from doing it all over again?(9/11).

instead of weapons, you use numbers to over power the occupants and control room? Think we need more counter measures.

 

[mechanicx]

I don't think there is any majority terrorist or ever were. The few so-called majority terrorist were/are targeting the US government/law enforcement over specific greviences not just randomnly attacking the US, civilians and landmarks. Funny thing is now LE has no problem profiling and infiltrating these majority members. They are a domestic issue and not even the same thing as foreign connected terrorist. It's a bunch of bull hockey that we shouldn't profile certain groups who are doing all the airline hijacking and bombing.

 

[greenaccord02]

Originally Posted By: motorguy222
Originally Posted By: greenaccord02
They should just let everybody get on the plane with nothing more than the old metal detectors and bomb dogs. I like a gamble, and at some point you have to decide whether you'd take a one in a million chance of dying in a plane crash or get on the plane without a dude grabbin' your junk. I choose to not get my junk grabbed.


While you may like to gamble,there are millions of people that fly that have families and loved one that they want to return home to in one piece,not hundreds.

You also have to consider that the plane could be used as a missile as has already happened.You not only lose the many lives on the plane but you may lose thousands more.I dont know if you are not thinking things through or are just oblivious to what has happened as in happening in terrorism but what you are saying could cost thousands their lives.

Will the searches and body scans help? We dont know but if they can save the life of hundreds or thousands of people,a search or scan that may be personal may be what gets a loved one back home safely.


I'm not for fearmongering and I think it's worth the gamble with both my life and yours. Statistically speaking, we have practically no chance of ever being blown up by a terrorist, so why sit in lines and abridge millions of people's rights to privacy? Cheeseburgers will kill you before any freedom-hating terrorist gets the chance. We're wasting billions of man-hours of productivity a day with this [censored]. If every ten years a plane gets blown up, that's OK in my mind. It's not like body scans were going to stop it, anyway, so let's just stop being scared and live life. What this fear is being used to fuel is something I don't agree with, either, but that's another topic.

You probably don't agree.

That's OK. That's the beauty of our fine democratic nation. We put it to a vote. If the majority of Americans feel as I do, we enact a law to make things the way they were before everyone was scared of the terrorists and we show the world we're not scared. If the majority doesn't feel the same way, we keep things as they are and keep feeling on people's junk and I shut up and deal with it since the majority ruled. But I think that since it affects us as a people in such wide-ranging ways (above and beyond junk grabbin'), it should be decided in a democratic manner.

 

[greenaccord02]

Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
Originally Posted By: tpitcher

It’s time to whip the test out again.

-1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by
a. Superman
b. Jay Leno
c. Harry Potter
d. Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40

1. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by
a. Olga Corbett
b. Sitting Bull
c. Arnold Schwarzenegger
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

2. In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by:
a. Lost Norwegians
b. Elvis
c. A tour bus full of 80-year-old women
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

3.During the 1980’s a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by:
a. John Dillinger
b. The King of Sweden
c. The Boy Scouts
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

4. In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:
a. A pizza delivery boy
b. Pee Wee Herman
c. Geraldo Rivera
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

5. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by:
a. The Smurfs
b. Davy Jones
c. The Little Mermaid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ag es of 17 and 40

6.In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a US Navy diver trying to rescue passengers was murdered by:
a. Captain Kidd
b. Charles Lindberg
c. Mother Teresa
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

7.In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:
a. Scooby Doo
b. The Tooth Fairy
c. Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

8. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:
a. Richard Simmons
b. Grandma Moses
c. Michael Jordan
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

9.In 1998, the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:
a. Mr. Rogers
b. Hillary Clinton, to distract attention from Wild Bill’ s women problems
c. The World Wrestling Federation
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

10.On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as missiles to take out the World Trade Centers and of the remaining two, one crashed into the US Pentagon and the other was diverted and crashed by the passengers.Thousands of people were killed by:
a. Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck and Elmer Fudd
b. The Supreme Cour t of Florida
c. Mr. Bean
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

11.In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against:
a. Enron
b. The Lutheran Church
c. The NFL

d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

12. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:
a. Bonnie and Clyde
b. Captain Kangaroo
c. Billy Graham
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

13. 2004 - Spain Railway bombings.
Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

14. 2005 London Railway bombings
Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

Nope, I really don’t see a pattern here to justify profiling, do you?

So, to ensure we Americans never offend anyone, particularly fanatics intent on killing us, airport security screeners will no longer be allowed to profile certain people. They must conduct random searches of 80-year-old women, little kids, airline pilots with proper identification, secret agentsof the President’s security detail, 85-year old Congressmen with metal hips, and Medal of Honor winning and former Governor Joe Foss, but leave
Muslim Males between the ages 17 and 40 alone because of profiling.






I feel we should be allowed to profile anyone we want. It`s our country and if they don`t like it,oh well! Too bad too sad! I`m 100% TOTALLY *for* profiling.


I think we should round them up and kill them. I mean, we could keep them in forced labor camps for awhile and get some work out of them, but that'd just be taking jobs away from good ol' God fearing Americans, am I right? We could export them back to wherever they came from, I guess, but then they'd just group up and jihad us or whatever. So that wouldn't work, either. Of course, the women and children are also a problem, because they will breed and produce more males. So I guess the only real - the only FINAL solution - would be annihilation of them as a race.

Just trying to show you that you sound like a Nazi. Not that I really disagree. It was Muslim males between 17-40 that did all the things you mention. But finding the mix between being "intelligent" with our security measures and turning into the fourth reich is not as wide a line as many would like to believe.

 

[Dan4510]

I don't know why all of you are complaining. You aren't giving your masters their proper respect. They are much smarter than us serfs!

Dan

 

[dkryan]

Originally Posted By: greenaccord02
[We're wasting billions of man-hours of productivity a day with this [censored].


Exactly how did you determine that statistic? Billions per day?

Originally Posted By: greenaccord02
If every ten years a plane gets blown up,that's OK in my mind.


And that speaks volumes about your so-called "mind."

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: dkryan
Originally Posted By: greenaccord02
If every ten years a plane gets blown up,that's OK in my mind.


And that speaks volumes about your so-called "mind."


+1

Wow! I guess that's OK if no one from his family is on it. Things change real fast if your life is touched by a tragedy like a plane crash or act of terror.

 

[aquariuscsm]

Originally Posted By: greenaccord02
Just trying to show you that you sound like a Nazi. Not that I really disagree. It was Muslim males between 17-40 that did all the things you mention. But finding the mix between being "intelligent" with our security measures and turning into the fourth reich is not as wide a line as many would like to believe.


I stand 200% behind what I said. I`m a proud American and if that makes me sound like a Nazi,so be it

 

[Drew99GT]

Originally Posted By: motorguy222


While you may like to gamble,there are millions of people that fly that have families and loved one that they want to return home to in one piece,not hundreds.



You're more likely to get struck by lightning twice in the same day then die from a terror attack. I'll take that tiny gamble with the freedom and lack of a police state it comes with.

 

[PandaBear]

Timothy McVeigh
Ted Kaczynski
Bruce Edwards Ivins
Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold
Seung-Hui Cho



Sure, they are all Muslim. Let's profile them and go get them Mr. Proud American.

 

[Drew99GT]

Originally Posted By: Kaboomba


Go back and read the stories about how the Panty-Bomber got on the airplane. Passengers who had a bad feeling about him and were suspicious of him (many of them were uncomfortable with him, especially after he wiggled out of having to show a passport or visa) did nothing to challenge his propriety!



HOLY [censored]! Someone who pays attention!

Several passengers saw him get past security with the aid of an accomplice, who also essentially dragged the guy onto the plane.

The 1993 World Trade Center bomber? Do your due diligence and find the CBS news story online about that guy, who taped all his conversations with the FBI agents who were in full contact with him. He seemed to be more concerned about the fact he was going to blow up innocent civilians than the FBI agents who were poking and prodding him.

 

[greenaccord02]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: dkryan
Originally Posted By: greenaccord02
If every ten years a plane gets blown up,that's OK in my mind.


And that speaks volumes about your so-called "mind."


+1

Wow! I guess that's OK if no one from his family is on it. Things change real fast if your life is touched by a tragedy like a plane crash or act of terror.


No, it doesn't. I'm not one of these people who wants to lock down the world because I'm scared of a one in a million chance. It would be a terrible thing and it is and it has been a terrible thing when people have died that way, but I don't think the incidence rate of 'terrorist' attacks is high enough to justify taking the kind of action we're seeing. It's life. Sometimes people get in a car wreck, sometimes they have a heart attack, sometimes they get struck by lightning, and sometimes the horrible muslims kill them. And putting all the shampoos in little bottles and feeling everybody's junk isn't going to stop it. It only serves to remind you to stay scared and spend tax money on keeping yourself scared.

 

[greenaccord02]

Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
Originally Posted By: greenaccord02
Just trying to show you that you sound like a Nazi. Not that I really disagree. It was Muslim males between 17-40 that did all the things you mention. But finding the mix between being "intelligent" with our security measures and turning into the fourth reich is not as wide a line as many would like to believe.


I stand 200% behind what I said. I`m a proud American and if that makes me sound like a Nazi,so be it


No, I agree with what you said. I'm just saying that we should be cognisant of the historical repercussions of doing this kind of thing. You do it right and it's great and it works well and everybody's happy, you do it wrong and you start another holocaust. I agree that we should profile, but I think there are many indicators of crazies and they should all be taken into account. Saying, "All you mooslims and rag-head types, get into the scanner! All you good god fearin' white folks pass on through" doesn't exactly advance the human race much. Despite what you see on TV, nuts come in all shapes, sizes, ethnicities, and religious affiliations. Realizing that is not only the right thing to do, it's the safe thing to do.

 

[saberz]

Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
Originally Posted By: greenaccord02
Just trying to show you that you sound like a Nazi. Not that I really disagree. It was Muslim males between 17-40 that did all the things you mention. But finding the mix between being "intelligent" with our security measures and turning into the fourth reich is not as wide a line as many would like to believe.


I stand 200% behind what I said. I`m a proud American and if that makes me sound like a Nazi,so be it



Only thing is, you are not an American. Being an "American" doesn't equal a religion or only 1 religion. American doesn't equal only 1 skin tone, or ethnicity. American is a melting pot of people from all over the world living next to each other. American isn't "hating" and wanting to basically "kill" a whole sect of people based on religion.

Think before you speak, there are lot of good people out there regardless of what race/nationality/cultural background they hail from. Half of what you see and know in life is thanks to them, and they weren't all American.

 

[Spazdog]

Please don't politicize the following:

I will do my best to not do so myself.

But yesterday I was shuffling back and forth between Sirius Left and Fox News. The funniest thing happened.

Both sides agreed.
Nobody wants this invasive grope.

If nobody on either side wants it, why are we doing it?

And like the Fox News talk show host said, soon enough some terrorist douche will put the weapon/explosive inside his body and we will have body cavity searches.

 

[JHZR2]

Originally Posted By: Anies


Only thing is, you are not an American. Being an "American" doesn't equal a religion or only 1 religion. American doesn't equal only 1 skin tone, or ethnicity. American is a melting pot of people from all over the world living next to each other. American isn't "hating" and wanting to basically "kill" a whole sect of people based on religion.

Think before you speak, there are lot of good people out there regardless of what race/nationality/cultural background they hail from. Half of what you see and know in life is thanks to them, and they weren't all American.


The problem is this - muslim women have gotten an exemption from the scanning because of religion/dignity/whatever other bogus excuse was given an accepted. These can be people who are more heavily covered-up than anyone else.

This is unacceptable.

Calling it an invasion of privacy or not, there is NOT equality and not "American is American" aspects to the operation when one group gets a free pass. This isnt equal opportunity, it isnt same for all.

It adds insult to injury when the free pass is granted to the group who, like it or not, is involved with most of the terror/death/plotting against this country in recent memory. It doesnt mean that everyone in tha group is bad, and it doesnt mean that other groups dont have "bad apples" that are trying to do terrible things too. Unfortunately the best we can do is adapt to the information we have now and the situations at hand. And, unfortunately, the vast bulk majority of what is going on now is from one subset of one group...

That's life though. Sometimes discrimination makes sense and at least semi-works. Take car insurance for example. When you are 18, the actuarial data says you ar emore prone to incidents and losses. Does that mean that every 18 year old driver is terrible and going to get into an accident? No! But numbers don't lie and it hurts a lot of people, but it is what it is for better or worse.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: greenaccord02
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: dkryan
Originally Posted By: greenaccord02
If every ten years a plane gets blown up,that's OK in my mind.


And that speaks volumes about your so-called "mind."


+1

Wow! I guess that's OK if no one from his family is on it. Things change real fast if your life is touched by a tragedy like a plane crash or act of terror.


No, it doesn't. I'm not one of these people who wants to lock down the world because I'm scared of a one in a million chance. It would be a terrible thing and it is and it has been a terrible thing when people have died that way, but I don't think the incidence rate of 'terrorist' attacks is high enough to justify taking the kind of action we're seeing. It's life. Sometimes people get in a car wreck, sometimes they have a heart attack, sometimes they get struck by lightning, and sometimes the horrible muslims kill them. And putting all the shampoos in little bottles and feeling everybody's junk isn't going to stop it. It only serves to remind you to stay scared and spend tax money on keeping yourself scared.


I'm not scared, I can handle myself quite well, and I don't want to be groped either. Simple solution is to walk into the X-Ray machine, no groping in there, or don't fly. So basically I have three choices if I want to fly, no one is holding a gun to my head.

Here's something else to think about. I don't like to pay taxes, I have to though. Its also against the law to drive w/o a seatbelt on. I wear one, but don't like it. I feel I have the right to become a human projectile in my car if I decide not to wear it. My bouncing around in the car or getting flung through the windshield if an accident occurs should be my right, it isn't though. The problem is the law says I have to wear it, or I pay a fine if I get caught w/o out it. So I wear it. Rules are what keeps our society civil, like it or not. If 9-11 didn't happen we wouldn't be having this discussion.

At least with flying I have a choice, I don't have to fly, but I do have to pay taxes and wear a seatbelt.

As a sidenote I think airline security will be improved in time.