Dont touch my junk!

[fsskier]

OK, an easy solution exists. Every so often, a plane can be designated a "no search" plane. Guns, bottles of liquids, bombs, bring whatever you want on board. Terrorists can bring bombs, NRA members can bring machine guns for protection against them, and the Montana Militia can bring suitcases full of fuel oil saturated fertilizer.

Bet the demand will be limited, so no problems with getting bumped either!

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: fsskier
OK, an easy solution exists. Every so often, a plane can be designated a "no search" plane. Guns, bottles of liquids, bombs, bring whatever you want on board. Terrorists can bring bombs, NRA members can bring machine guns for protection against them, and the Montana Militia can bring suitcases full of fuel oil saturated fertilizer.

Bet the demand will be limited, so no problems with getting bumped either!



Now there's an idea!

On a more serious note here's a suggestion. Next time someone who is opposed to the scan/pat down is actually faced with one, maybe they should flat out refuse it, and report back to us what happens. Then we can discuss that. I don't make the rules, but if I did that person would be making alternate travel arrangements. Now if someone is opposed to radiation exposure I fully understand that, they would have to be groped. Now if there is some other better way to check people and obtain the same results, awesome! I'm all for it! Until then get used to it, or make other arrangements. Again JMO.

 

[Virtuoso]

They can touch my junk all they want. Hope they like it.

 

[chevrofreak]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: racer12306
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I'm not thrilled by it, but think safety while traveling comes first. Especially when these people are making underwear bombs, etc. Until they can figure out a better way to make travel safer we don't have many options. People do have choices though, they can stay home, drive, swim, or sprout wings and fly on their own. I actually think the Subway system is more at risk at the moment. JMO


Speak for yourself on the avoid traveling part. Some of us have to fly for work and don't have the option of driving 1500 miles because of the time it takes to do so. With current flight schedules I can fly to Houston, do work I need to do, fly home all in the same day. If I had to drive that, then it would take a whole week.

The next time I fly I don't care who they are, they aren't touching my stuff. There is only one person in the world who can touch me like that and it is my wife.


I travel too, and have no problem with the scan, if I refuse the scan then I'm going to get patted down. I'd be willing to wager that if they had these measures in place on 9/11 we'd still have the WTC and a lot of people would still be alive. Life as we knew it changed, again if people don't want to follow rules then they should make other arrangements. Times have changed. JMO


They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

 

[crazyoildude]

My friend says the same thing....And she spends every weekend on a nude beach...
But she cruises the wal mart oil isle for me looking for sn rated oils so i respect her opinion, lol

 

[opus1]

+1 on the "have fun with it part". I'm tempted to by a man-thong and drop trou' for my patdown. And at 300lbs, it ain't gonna' be pretty.....

Seriously, though, as I understand it, a radiologist has to go through 2 years of schooling before they x-ray someone; not to beat up on the TSA, but how much radiology training do their scanner operators have?

 

[Nick R]

I'm also not thrilled by it, but in the words of another BITOGer, the person viewing the scan will never see you in person, nor will they likely see you ever again. And they are seeing hundreds, if not thousands of people a day. I doubt they are having a good time.

I posted elsewhere, that people have been crying for more security and for them to make it safer to fly. The underwear bomber, the bomb found like, week before last. But people don't want to give up convenience for safety. They expect the TSA to magically make it safer, without having to give up convenience. Something has to change, and it is most likely going to affect you. Seriously, if they stop this because of public outcry, and then something happens... Everyone is going to point fingers and scream that the TSA and the gov "let it happen". When the truth is they tried to protect our sorry rear ends and we wouldn't let them.

 

[440Magnum]

To me its too much invasion for too little benefit.

IS it invasive to have your luggage searched and your body metal-detected? Sure, but those methods find a whole host of threats and are relatively low-impact on how much time it takes you to get where you're going.

But millimeter wave imaging and backscatter X-rays don't really find much more than a metal detector would, yet they show a clear image of the surface of your body to the observer. And the open-palm pat-down that is the alternative would find even less. Its really there SOLELY to humiliate people into submitting to the scan, nothing more.

Personally, I'm ready to go back to taking a known risk when I fly in return for more freedom and convenience. Just my opinion.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
To me its too much invasion for too little benefit.

Personally, I'm ready to go back to taking a known risk when I fly in return for more freedom and convenience. Just my opinion.



Here's the flip side, while you might be willing to take on more risk flying for more freedom and convenience, others on the plane might not feel that way. People who are not on the plane that are being targeted by attackers have no say either. It should be interesting seeing how this plays out.

 

[pottymouth]

If I got the pat down, I would be inclined to moan or say, "Mmmmmm, nice," just as the agent got to my twig and berries. Then ask him to check again, more slowly this time.

The price for this false sense of security is becoming a bit too steep.

 

[Jeepster_nut]

+1 It seems like people in general are trying to justify the new methods. This is America and there are civil liberties at stake. People need to get ------- off and stop being submissive to new regulations that the Government places on us because they tell us its for our best interest and safety. I have yet to see any data that supports that what the government is subjecting us to is actually catching any terrorists.

A pilot said in an interview I read that everyone touching the plane you fly on is not required to go through inspection at the start of their shift. The fuel guy, the baggage handlers, the maintenance crew- none of them. If this is going to work then ALL areas need screening, not just the passengers.

 

[Cutehumor]

TSA agents must be getting paid crazy money to cop a feel.

 

[Jeepster_nut]

I was listening to the radio on my way in this morning and they were discussing this topic. They were saying that there is an increase in complaints from "pretty" women getting pulled aside for the x-ray. Apparently some locations are having problems with the TSA employees getting their kicks off of this.

The went on to say that the person being x-rayed cannot be seen by the person who is actually reading the x-ray. This is for the passengers privacy. Also, there isn't any image retention of the x-ray images, once it is read, it is deleted. But what about the TSA guy with his cell phone camera who decides to get funny and snap a pic? Those will be popping up on the web in due time I'm sure.

 

[440Magnum]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
To me its too much invasion for too little benefit.

Personally, I'm ready to go back to taking a known risk when I fly in return for more freedom and convenience. Just my opinion.



Here's the flip side, while you might be willing to take on more risk flying for more freedom and convenience, others on the plane might not feel that way. People who are not on the plane that are being targeted by attackers have no say either. It should be interesting seeing how this plays out.


True... but my point was that the scans and pat-downs don't even reduce the RISK!!

I'm talking about going even further back to a civilized world: I'm ready to get rid of some of the longer-standing inspections we've been going through- the liquid ban, the pocket-knife ban, the ban on tools, etc. Granted, not everyone might be comfortable with that and I know I'm in the minority there. But honestly I don't think banning Swiss army knives does any good either, especially now that the cockpit doors are secured and can't be opened from the outside.

 

[JHZR2]

Originally Posted By: chevrofreak
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.


Im sure the folks trying to do bad things hand off the same words in their little sphere...

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
To me its too much invasion for too little benefit.

Personally, I'm ready to go back to taking a known risk when I fly in return for more freedom and convenience. Just my opinion.



Here's the flip side, while you might be willing to take on more risk flying for more freedom and convenience, others on the plane might not feel that way. People who are not on the plane that are being targeted by attackers have no say either. It should be interesting seeing how this plays out.


True... but my point was that the scans and pat-downs don't even reduce the RISK!!

I'm talking about going even further back to a civilized world: I'm ready to get rid of some of the longer-standing inspections we've been going through- the liquid ban, the pocket-knife ban, the ban on tools, etc. Granted, not everyone might be comfortable with that and I know I'm in the minority there. But honestly I don't think banning Swiss army knives does any good either, especially now that the cockpit doors are secured and can't be opened from the outside.


I respectfully disagree, I think a pat-down or scan could have saved a lot of lives 9-11, but we won't ever know.

One slip up with the crew and a Swiss Army Knife can bring down a plane, or cause lots of problems.

The world has changed and not for the better. JMO

 

[addyguy]

Originally Posted By: tpitcher

It’s time to whip the test out again.

-1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by
a. Superman
b. Jay Leno
c. Harry Potter
d. Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40

1. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by
a. Olga Corbett
b. Sitting Bull
c. Arnold Schwarzenegger
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

2. In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by:
a. Lost Norwegians
b. Elvis
c. A tour bus full of 80-year-old women
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

3.During the 1980’s a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by:
a. John Dillinger
b. The King of Sweden
c. The Boy Scouts
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

4. In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:
a. A pizza delivery boy
b. Pee Wee Herman
c. Geraldo Rivera
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

5. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by:
a. The Smurfs
b. Davy Jones
c. The Little Mermaid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ag es of 17 and 40

6.In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a US Navy diver trying to rescue passengers was murdered by:
a. Captain Kidd
b. Charles Lindberg
c. Mother Teresa
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

7.In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:
a. Scooby Doo
b. The Tooth Fairy
c. Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

8. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:
a. Richard Simmons
b. Grandma Moses
c. Michael Jordan
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

9.In 1998, the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:
a. Mr. Rogers
b. Hillary Clinton, to distract attention from Wild Bill’ s women problems
c. The World Wrestling Federation
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

10.On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as missiles to take out the World Trade Centers and of the remaining two, one crashed into the US Pentagon and the other was diverted and crashed by the passengers.Thousands of people were killed by:
a. Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck and Elmer Fudd
b. The Supreme Cour t of Florida
c. Mr. Bean
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

11.In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against:
a. Enron
b. The Lutheran Church
c. The NFL

d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

12. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:
a. Bonnie and Clyde
b. Captain Kangaroo
c. Billy Graham
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

13. 2004 - Spain Railway bombings.
Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

14. 2005 London Railway bombings
Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

Nope, I really don’t see a pattern here to justify profiling, do you?

So, to ensure we Americans never offend anyone, particularly fanatics intent on killing us, airport security screeners will no longer be allowed to profile certain people. They must conduct random searches of 80-year-old women, little kids, airline pilots with proper identification, secret agentsof the President’s security detail, 85-year old Congressmen with metal hips, and Medal of Honor winning and former Governor Joe Foss, but leave
Muslim Males between the ages 17 and 40 alone because of profiling.






Right on. Truth hurts.

A few spoil it for the many? Sure, but it has been such a bad spoiling, you've ALL lost our trust.

 

[Spazdog]

Originally Posted By: tpitcher

13. 2004 - Spain Railway bombings.
Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40


I thought they pinned that on Basque Separatists, the majority of which are Roman Catholic.

Otherwise, I agree with you. No one should be excluded. Go ahead and x-ray scan me. I don't care. Been in enough parties with hot tubs in my younger years. But I don't want a guy groping my stuff. How do I know that he isn't gay or bi and then by definition, I am being sexually assaulted. and my wife is not going to be too happy about a female groping my stuff. And if I'm getting it, you shouldn't let anyone else be excluded.

 

[GMBoy]

Originally Posted By: tpitcher

It’s time to whip the test out again.

-1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by
a. Superman
b. Jay Leno
c. Harry Potter
d. Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40

1. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by
a. Olga Corbett
b. Sitting Bull
c. Arnold Schwarzenegger
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

2. In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by:
a. Lost Norwegians
b. Elvis
c. A tour bus full of 80-year-old women
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

3.During the 1980’s a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by:
a. John Dillinger
b. The King of Sweden
c. The Boy Scouts
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

4. In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:
a. A pizza delivery boy
b. Pee Wee Herman
c. Geraldo Rivera
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

5. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by:
a. The Smurfs
b. Davy Jones
c. The Little Mermaid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ag es of 17 and 40

6.In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a US Navy diver trying to rescue passengers was murdered by:
a. Captain Kidd
b. Charles Lindberg
c. Mother Teresa
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

7.In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:
a. Scooby Doo
b. The Tooth Fairy
c. Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

8. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:
a. Richard Simmons
b. Grandma Moses
c. Michael Jordan
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

9.In 1998, the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:
a. Mr. Rogers
b. Hillary Clinton, to distract attention from Wild Bill’ s women problems
c. The World Wrestling Federation
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

10.On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as missiles to take out the World Trade Centers and of the remaining two, one crashed into the US Pentagon and the other was diverted and crashed by the passengers.Thousands of people were killed by:
a. Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck and Elmer Fudd
b. The Supreme Cour t of Florida
c. Mr. Bean
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

11.In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against:
a. Enron
b. The Lutheran Church
c. The NFL

d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

12. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:
a. Bonnie and Clyde
b. Captain Kangaroo
c. Billy Graham
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

13. 2004 - Spain Railway bombings.
Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

14. 2005 London Railway bombings
Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

Nope, I really don’t see a pattern here to justify profiling, do you?

So, to ensure we Americans never offend anyone, particularly fanatics intent on killing us, airport security screeners will no longer be allowed to profile certain people. They must conduct random searches of 80-year-old women, little kids, airline pilots with proper identification, secret agentsof the President’s security detail, 85-year old Congressmen with metal hips, and Medal of Honor winning and former Governor Joe Foss, but leave
Muslim Males between the ages 17 and 40 alone because of profiling.







Wonderful way of putting it! Bravo!

 

[pottymouth]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I respectfully disagree, I think a pat-down or scan could have saved a lot of lives 9-11, but we won't ever know.

One slip up with the crew and a Swiss Army Knife can bring down a plane, or cause lots of problems.

The world has changed and not for the better. JMO


Not sure that this is true. Prior to 9/11 very few Americans would have dreamed that a hijacked airliner would be used as a piloted missile. Had they understood, I doubt any of the planes would have made it to their targets as the passengers and crew would most likely have interfered with the hijackers. As far as I have read, the passengers on flight 93 were aware of the earlier crashes and had a good idea of what the hijackers intent was. This is why they took action instead of complying with the hijackers demands. Unlike those on the first 3 flights, they knew that this was not going to be a demand for asylum in a foreign country and that they would be returned home eventually if they behaved.

If someone on a flight today brandished a box cutter and demanded access to the cockpit, I have no doubt that he would be torn limb from limb by the passengers and crew. I'm always on the lookout for shifty characters when flying and would not hesitate to take action if any threat arises. Cockpits are more secure, passengers are more aware and crews are better trained now.

Hijacked planes were used on 9/11 because they were an overlooked weapon. This is no longer the case. If anything, we should be paying a lot more attention to securing our water supply, utilities, and computer infrastructure. These are the new soft targets. Anyone can hop a fence and go for a swim in any reservior in my area and no one would ever know. Why would a terrorist waste time fighting security at an airport when he could poison/infect the drinking water of tens of thousands of people and still be home in time to watch Judge Judy?