I went to get a oil filter from the Amsoil warehouse in Edmonton last night, so I sort of remembered it was a ML 1017 (Manns oil filter 7500 miles) since they stopped the Ea Oil Filters (25000 miles) for my Suzuki SX4. I thought well lets go with the next best thing, so not sure if my memory was up to par I asked Tom if he would be kind enough to make sure that is what I had last time I was in, yes it was, but not before we checked the Amsoil site, only to find out that they have even taken of the Mann oil filter now (For the Suzuki SX4 2007) and only have the Wix on there, I said Tom are you still able to sell me the ML 1017 he said yes, so this time was ok. So what I am asking, please tell me Amsoil isn't going to drop the Manns oil filter as well are they???
Don't get me wrong I think Amsoil is great.
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I think the Toyota "sludger" engines really hurt AMSOIL financially (paying for new engines etc.) I think they are getting cautious and doing anything they can to save the bottom line$$. I sure hope they don't get rid of MANN either.
Amsoil still sells the Mann filters. And they still sell the ML1017. I can't say I remember every filter application - I will ask (if you like) why the recommendation went from a Mann to Wix. Probably not a sludge issue.
Originally Posted By: chubbs1
I think the Toyota "sludger" engines really hurt AMSOIL financially (paying for new engines etc.) I think they are getting cautious and doing anything they can to save the bottom line$$. I sure hope they don't get rid of MANN either.
How many engines have they paid for? One posted here, one about 5 years ago. Others?
I agree they are getting cautious with Toyota, that's for sure.
Originally Posted By: chubbs1
I think the Toyota "sludger" engines really hurt AMSOIL financially (paying for new engines etc.) I think they are getting cautious and doing anything they can to save the bottom line$$. I sure hope they don't get rid of MANN either.
How many engines have they paid for? One posted here, one about 5 years ago. Others?
I agree they are getting cautious with Toyota, that's for sure.
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Amsoil still sells the Mann filters. And they still sell the ML1017. I can't say I remember every filter application - I will ask (if you like) why the recommendation went from a Mann to Wix. Probably not a sludge issue.
Originally Posted By: chubbs1
I think the Toyota "sludger" engines really hurt AMSOIL financially (paying for new engines etc.) I think they are getting cautious and doing anything they can to save the bottom line$$. I sure hope they don't get rid of MANN either.
How many engines have they paid for? One posted here, one about 5 years ago. Others?
I agree they are getting cautious with Toyota, that's for sure.
I am just curious why now they don't even have the Mann listed for my vehicle, yes I would like you to ask if you don't mind please.
Thanks Pablo.
Amsoil still sells the Mann filters. And they still sell the ML1017. I can't say I remember every filter application - I will ask (if you like) why the recommendation went from a Mann to Wix. Probably not a sludge issue.
Originally Posted By: chubbs1
I think the Toyota "sludger" engines really hurt AMSOIL financially (paying for new engines etc.) I think they are getting cautious and doing anything they can to save the bottom line$$. I sure hope they don't get rid of MANN either.
How many engines have they paid for? One posted here, one about 5 years ago. Others?
I agree they are getting cautious with Toyota, that's for sure.
I am just curious why now they don't even have the Mann listed for my vehicle, yes I would like you to ask if you don't mind please.
Thanks Pablo.
I sent my question into the head filter guy.
I have a tendency to think Mann is a better filter. I have many excellent years using Mann filters on Volvos, long before my Amsoil days.
I have a tendency to think Mann is a better filter. I have many excellent years using Mann filters on Volvos, long before my Amsoil days.
Originally Posted By: Pablo
I sent my question into the head filter guy.
I have a tendency to think Mann is a better filter. I have many excellent years using Mann filters on Volvos, long before my Amsoil days.
Thanks for the help with this one Pablo.
I sent my question into the head filter guy.
I have a tendency to think Mann is a better filter. I have many excellent years using Mann filters on Volvos, long before my Amsoil days.
Thanks for the help with this one Pablo.
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Those Mann filters are simply relabeled Purolators. Mann and Bosch bought Purolator several years ago and they're using this product to gain access into the North American market. I'd certainly never pay a premium for one of the "ML" labeled Mann items.
For a more thorough explanation of the Mann product line do a search for Mann-Hummel USA and write to any of the product line personnel in Portage, Michigan, to discuss this exact topic. At the moment their chief is in Frankfurt attending the Automechanika 2010 exposition but you will get a reply within the week.
For a more thorough explanation of the Mann product line do a search for Mann-Hummel USA and write to any of the product line personnel in Portage, Michigan, to discuss this exact topic. At the moment their chief is in Frankfurt attending the Automechanika 2010 exposition but you will get a reply within the week.
When I was buying the EA oil filter (25000 one) it was 14 or 15 dollars each, now I get the Mann for 4.40ea (7500 miles) and the Wix (3000 miles) I am not sure, (Don't want to buy this one any way) I want a longer lasting filter as I always use either signature 0W30 or ASL 5W30 so I take a sample of oil get it analyzed and just change the filter out and top her up with oil and off I go again for another 7500 miles.
It's $3.75 PC price so it's not a huge premium.
Not sure the Mann product line folks would now why Amsoil went from Mann to Wix, but it's worth asking I guess.
Not sure the Mann product line folks would now why Amsoil went from Mann to Wix, but it's worth asking I guess.
Originally Posted By: FowVay
Those Mann filters are simply relabeled Purolators. Mann and Bosch bought Purolator several years ago and they're using this product to gain access into the North American market. I'd certainly never pay a premium for one of the "ML" labeled Mann items.
I suspect you're quite right. As we've said in other threads, unless it's a European model numbered filter, it's going to be a Purolator. All my Bosch and Mann filters are actual German ones. I wouldn't even hazard a guess if Bosch and Mann in Germany make much in the way of filters for non-German applications. The Mann website is best to check applications, but it is a bit of a maze. The Bosch model numbers are easier to decipher (at least for me), but their website will likely redirect a user to U.S. model numbers.
Those Mann filters are simply relabeled Purolators. Mann and Bosch bought Purolator several years ago and they're using this product to gain access into the North American market. I'd certainly never pay a premium for one of the "ML" labeled Mann items.
I suspect you're quite right. As we've said in other threads, unless it's a European model numbered filter, it's going to be a Purolator. All my Bosch and Mann filters are actual German ones. I wouldn't even hazard a guess if Bosch and Mann in Germany make much in the way of filters for non-German applications. The Mann website is best to check applications, but it is a bit of a maze. The Bosch model numbers are easier to decipher (at least for me), but their website will likely redirect a user to U.S. model numbers.
Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: FowVay
Those Mann filters are simply relabeled Purolators. Mann and Bosch bought Purolator several years ago and they're using this product to gain access into the North American market. I'd certainly never pay a premium for one of the "ML" labeled Mann items.
I suspect you're quite right. As we've said in other threads, unless it's a European model numbered filter, it's going to be a Purolator. All my Bosch and Mann filters are actual German ones. I wouldn't even hazard a guess if Bosch and Mann in Germany make much in the way of filters for non-German applications. The Mann website is best to check applications, but it is a bit of a maze. The Bosch model numbers are easier to decipher (at least for me), but their website will likely redirect a user to U.S. model numbers.
Ok with this been said, how are (Purolator. Bosch and) Mann filters. ????
I know they are supposed to last 7500 miles or so.
Originally Posted By: FowVay
Those Mann filters are simply relabeled Purolators. Mann and Bosch bought Purolator several years ago and they're using this product to gain access into the North American market. I'd certainly never pay a premium for one of the "ML" labeled Mann items.
I suspect you're quite right. As we've said in other threads, unless it's a European model numbered filter, it's going to be a Purolator. All my Bosch and Mann filters are actual German ones. I wouldn't even hazard a guess if Bosch and Mann in Germany make much in the way of filters for non-German applications. The Mann website is best to check applications, but it is a bit of a maze. The Bosch model numbers are easier to decipher (at least for me), but their website will likely redirect a user to U.S. model numbers.
Ok with this been said, how are (Purolator. Bosch and) Mann filters. ????
I know they are supposed to last 7500 miles or so.
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I am pretty sure I previously saw the Mann oil filter site had the white can Mann/Puro pictured. Now the site has a black can German Mann with "representative image" written: http://www.mann-hummel.com/mf_prodkata_u...gobackToPage=11
Pretty sure the delivered item will be the Purolator made Mann on this app. for a Toyota.
Don't like the way that is presented, and the way Amsoil describes the Mann replacements. If I didn't know better I would think I am buying a Teutonic wunderfilter, but it will probably be a Puro Classic in disguise. I am not sure it is a classic but for $4+ it probably is. Here is the Amsoil link I find misleading:
http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/mann.aspx
Pretty sure the delivered item will be the Purolator made Mann on this app. for a Toyota.
Don't like the way that is presented, and the way Amsoil describes the Mann replacements. If I didn't know better I would think I am buying a Teutonic wunderfilter, but it will probably be a Puro Classic in disguise. I am not sure it is a classic but for $4+ it probably is. Here is the Amsoil link I find misleading:
http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/mann.aspx
Originally Posted By: BAD1
Ok with this been said, how are (Purolator. Bosch and) Mann filters. ????
I know they are supposed to last 7500 miles or so.
Purolator are good filters. No doubt about it.
I never was a fan of Bosch filters prior to the merger/takeover. Bosch subbed out to low bidder and the ones I saw were inferior - probably fine for general use, but nothing special.
Originally Posted By: Newtonville
Don't like the way that is presented, and the way Amsoil describes the Mann replacements. If I didn't know better I would think I am buying a Teutonic wunderfilter, but it will probably be a Puro Classic in disguise.
I see your point in a way. But is this Amsoil's fault?
Amsoil's Mann offerings
Mann ML-1017
So we are 100% sure the Mann ML-1017 is made by Purolator?
I noticed you edited your post and added the link. What is it so misleading? Did Bosch (or anyone else) disclose who made their filters. Why doesn't Mann say something? I'm confused on the singling out Amsoil. They are selling a "Mann" product. We may not like all Mann's offerings, but it's not really misleading.
Ok with this been said, how are (Purolator. Bosch and) Mann filters. ????
I know they are supposed to last 7500 miles or so.
Purolator are good filters. No doubt about it.
I never was a fan of Bosch filters prior to the merger/takeover. Bosch subbed out to low bidder and the ones I saw were inferior - probably fine for general use, but nothing special.
Originally Posted By: Newtonville
Don't like the way that is presented, and the way Amsoil describes the Mann replacements. If I didn't know better I would think I am buying a Teutonic wunderfilter, but it will probably be a Puro Classic in disguise.
I see your point in a way. But is this Amsoil's fault?
Amsoil's Mann offerings
Mann ML-1017
So we are 100% sure the Mann ML-1017 is made by Purolator?
I noticed you edited your post and added the link. What is it so misleading? Did Bosch (or anyone else) disclose who made their filters. Why doesn't Mann say something? I'm confused on the singling out Amsoil. They are selling a "Mann" product. We may not like all Mann's offerings, but it's not really misleading.
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: BAD1
Ok with this been said, how are (Purolator. Bosch and) Mann filters. ????
I know they are supposed to last 7500 miles or so.
Purolator are good filters. No doubt about it.
I never was a fan of Bosch filters prior to the merger/takeover. Bosch subbed out to low bidder and the ones I saw were inferior - probably fine for general use, but nothing special.
Originally Posted By: Newtonville
Don't like the way that is presented, and the way Amsoil describes the Mann replacements. If I didn't know better I would think I am buying a Teutonic wunderfilter, but it will probably be a Puro Classic in disguise.
I see your point in a way. But is this Amsoil's fault?
Amsoil's Mann offerings
Mann ML-1017
So we are 100% sure the Mann ML-1017 is made by Purolator?
Is there a longer Mann filter than the ML-1017 ???
Originally Posted By: BAD1
Ok with this been said, how are (Purolator. Bosch and) Mann filters. ????
I know they are supposed to last 7500 miles or so.
Purolator are good filters. No doubt about it.
I never was a fan of Bosch filters prior to the merger/takeover. Bosch subbed out to low bidder and the ones I saw were inferior - probably fine for general use, but nothing special.
Originally Posted By: Newtonville
Don't like the way that is presented, and the way Amsoil describes the Mann replacements. If I didn't know better I would think I am buying a Teutonic wunderfilter, but it will probably be a Puro Classic in disguise.
I see your point in a way. But is this Amsoil's fault?
Amsoil's Mann offerings
Mann ML-1017
So we are 100% sure the Mann ML-1017 is made by Purolator?
Is there a longer Mann filter than the ML-1017 ???
Originally Posted By: BAD1
Is there a longer Mann filter than the ML-1017 ???
Check this bad boy out. I like this feature:
http://www.mann-hummel.com/mf_prodkata_usa/index.html
Click on "dimensions" to the left.
Select "oil" and "spin on filter"
Then 3/4-16 UNF for thread size
Then "YES" for bypass and "non return valve"
Then click search and VIOLA all sizes....select the size you want!
Is there a longer Mann filter than the ML-1017 ???
Check this bad boy out. I like this feature:
http://www.mann-hummel.com/mf_prodkata_usa/index.html
Click on "dimensions" to the left.
Select "oil" and "spin on filter"
Then 3/4-16 UNF for thread size
Then "YES" for bypass and "non return valve"
Then click search and VIOLA all sizes....select the size you want!
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: BAD1
Ok with this been said, how are (Purolator. Bosch and) Mann filters. ????
I know they are supposed to last 7500 miles or so.
Purolator are good filters. No doubt about it.
I never was a fan of Bosch filters prior to the merger/takeover. Bosch subbed out to low bidder and the ones I saw were inferior - probably fine for general use, but nothing special.
Originally Posted By: Newtonville
Don't like the way that is presented, and the way Amsoil describes the Mann replacements. If I didn't know better I would think I am buying a Teutonic wunderfilter, but it will probably be a Puro Classic in disguise.
I see your point in a way. But is this Amsoil's fault?
Amsoil's Mann offerings
Mann ML-1017
So we are 100% sure the Mann ML-1017 is made by Purolator?
I noticed you edited your post and added the link. What is it so misleading? Did Bosch (or anyone else) disclose who made their filters. Why doesn't Mann say something? I'm confused on the singling out Amsoil. They are selling a "Mann" product. We may not like all Mann's offerings, but it's not really misleading.
It isn't a big deal to me, but both Mann and Amsoil ought to say something about some #'s, quite a few even, are made in their USA factory, instead of showing a bunch of German filters as "representative images." I don't think Bosch shows pictures of their German filters in place of their Purolator made offerings. It is misleading to describe and depict something for sale, then deliver something else. Mann is depicted as this old German high quality filter company, but nothing is said that the ML1009 you are ordering for $4 is made by Purolator in the USA with the Mann name on it. Not terrible, not unique, but I noticed it.
Just to add that the previous Bosch were made by Champion and were pretty good filters in my limited experience.
Originally Posted By: BAD1
Ok with this been said, how are (Purolator. Bosch and) Mann filters. ????
I know they are supposed to last 7500 miles or so.
Purolator are good filters. No doubt about it.
I never was a fan of Bosch filters prior to the merger/takeover. Bosch subbed out to low bidder and the ones I saw were inferior - probably fine for general use, but nothing special.
Originally Posted By: Newtonville
Don't like the way that is presented, and the way Amsoil describes the Mann replacements. If I didn't know better I would think I am buying a Teutonic wunderfilter, but it will probably be a Puro Classic in disguise.
I see your point in a way. But is this Amsoil's fault?
Amsoil's Mann offerings
Mann ML-1017
So we are 100% sure the Mann ML-1017 is made by Purolator?
I noticed you edited your post and added the link. What is it so misleading? Did Bosch (or anyone else) disclose who made their filters. Why doesn't Mann say something? I'm confused on the singling out Amsoil. They are selling a "Mann" product. We may not like all Mann's offerings, but it's not really misleading.
It isn't a big deal to me, but both Mann and Amsoil ought to say something about some #'s, quite a few even, are made in their USA factory, instead of showing a bunch of German filters as "representative images." I don't think Bosch shows pictures of their German filters in place of their Purolator made offerings. It is misleading to describe and depict something for sale, then deliver something else. Mann is depicted as this old German high quality filter company, but nothing is said that the ML1009 you are ordering for $4 is made by Purolator in the USA with the Mann name on it. Not terrible, not unique, but I noticed it.
Just to add that the previous Bosch were made by Champion and were pretty good filters in my limited experience.
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: BAD1
Is there a longer Mann filter than the ML-1017 ???
Check this bad boy out. I like this feature:
http://www.mann-hummel.com/mf_prodkata_usa/index.html
Click on "dimensions" to the left.
Select "oil" and "spin on filter"
Then 3/4-16 UNF for thread size
Then "YES" for bypass and "non return valve"
Then click search and VIOLA all sizes....select the size you want!
Not that I under any stand any of these numbers much........
I think I understand the A C H etc now.......
Is this the Mann page to end up at??
It doesn't keep the page you end up at just the main one you start from........
(For me to copy and paste to show you I mean)
When I was putting the Mann ML1017 on the oil filter wrench pushed the bottom of the filter edge in a bit would this hurt it's operation much??
Originally Posted By: BAD1
Is there a longer Mann filter than the ML-1017 ???
Check this bad boy out. I like this feature:
http://www.mann-hummel.com/mf_prodkata_usa/index.html
Click on "dimensions" to the left.
Select "oil" and "spin on filter"
Then 3/4-16 UNF for thread size
Then "YES" for bypass and "non return valve"
Then click search and VIOLA all sizes....select the size you want!
Not that I under any stand any of these numbers much........
I think I understand the A C H etc now.......
Is this the Mann page to end up at??
It doesn't keep the page you end up at just the main one you start from........
(For me to copy and paste to show you I mean)When I was putting the Mann ML1017 on the oil filter wrench pushed the bottom of the filter edge in a bit would this hurt it's operation much??
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Not that I under any stand any of these numbers much........
I think I understand the A C H etc now....... (Edit)
Is this the Mann page to end up at??
It doesn't keep the page you end up at just the main one you start from........ (For me to copy and paste to show you I mean) (Edit)
When I was putting the Mann ML1017 on the oil filter wrench pushed the bottom of the filter edge in a bit would this hurt it's operation much?? (Edit)
I think I understand the A C H etc now.......
(Edit)Is this the Mann page to end up at??
It doesn't keep the page you end up at just the main one you start from........
(For me to copy and paste to show you I mean) (Edit)When I was putting the Mann ML1017 on the oil filter wrench pushed the bottom of the filter edge in a bit would this hurt it's operation much?? (Edit)
Originally Posted By: BAD1
Ok with this been said, how are (Purolator. Bosch and) Mann filters. ????
I know they are supposed to last 7500 miles or so.
I would suggest you'd have no problems with them, regardless of their country of origin. Purolator makes good filters, so the North American Purolator versions are fine. The German ones are apparently geared to the longer European OCIs.
I've never cut apart a North American Bosch and a German Bosch side by side for comparison, so I really can't say much more than that. I'm surprised no one has done so yet.
Ok with this been said, how are (Purolator. Bosch and) Mann filters. ????
I know they are supposed to last 7500 miles or so.
I would suggest you'd have no problems with them, regardless of their country of origin. Purolator makes good filters, so the North American Purolator versions are fine. The German ones are apparently geared to the longer European OCIs.
I've never cut apart a North American Bosch and a German Bosch side by side for comparison, so I really can't say much more than that. I'm surprised no one has done so yet.
Originally Posted By: BAD1
I went to get a oil filter from the Amsoil warehouse in Edmonton last night, so I sort of remembered it was a ML 1017 (Manns oil filter 7500 miles) since they stopped the Ea Oil Filters (25000 miles) for my Suzuki SX4. I thought well lets go with the next best thing, so not sure if my memory was up to par I asked Tom if he would be kind enough to make sure that is what I had last time I was in, yes it was, but not before we checked the Amsoil site, only to find out that they have even taken of the Mann oil filter now (For the Suzuki SX4 2007) and only have the Wix on there, I said Tom are you still able to sell me the ML 1017 he said yes, so this time was ok. So what I am asking, please tell me Amsoil isn't going to drop the Manns oil filter as well are they???
Originally Posted By: Amsoil
Either filter may be used. As a general “rule” we list Mann filters for European cars and Wix for all others. As the Suzuki is Asian, we will list the Wix filter as primary.
I went to get a oil filter from the Amsoil warehouse in Edmonton last night, so I sort of remembered it was a ML 1017 (Manns oil filter 7500 miles) since they stopped the Ea Oil Filters (25000 miles) for my Suzuki SX4. I thought well lets go with the next best thing, so not sure if my memory was up to par I asked Tom if he would be kind enough to make sure that is what I had last time I was in, yes it was, but not before we checked the Amsoil site, only to find out that they have even taken of the Mann oil filter now (For the Suzuki SX4 2007) and only have the Wix on there, I said Tom are you still able to sell me the ML 1017 he said yes, so this time was ok. So what I am asking, please tell me Amsoil isn't going to drop the Manns oil filter as well are they???
Originally Posted By: Amsoil
Either filter may be used. As a general “rule” we list Mann filters for European cars and Wix for all others. As the Suzuki is Asian, we will list the Wix filter as primary.
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