Does Honda's CURRENT synthetic blend have moly?

[Rocko62580]

There seems to be many conflicting reports about this. I know the factory fill has some added, but what about the regular synthetic blend of Honda oil 0-W20?

According to this report it does.

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2628607&page=1

 

[Tegger]

Originally Posted By: Rocko62580
There seems to be many conflicting reports about this. I know the factory fill has some added,

If the factory fill had any moly, you'd never be able to tell. The moly detected in the factory fill during a UOA is from the assembly lube used when the engine is built. That's also what turns the factory fill that funny color. I have a Honda HSN document that says this.

It takes a couple of oil changes before the last remnants of the factory fill are flushed. This means that UOAs are likely to show artificially-elevated moly for the engine's first one or two oil changes.

 

[chubbs1]

Honda's Idemitsu oil does have high moly, Their newer oil from (or blended by) COP does not have high moly. High levels of moly should not be your deciding factor in purchasing a motor oil. There are different types of moly that are more effective than others and I have seen high moly oils appear to make no difference in wear compared to lower. The new Honda oil is fine but I would much rather use M1 0w20 or other high quality major.

 

[ARCOgraphite]

A blend of QSUD 0w20 with Some (1/2 qt) RT5 SS 10w30 HDEO subbed works very well in our current fleet.

 

[ChemicallyChargd]

I'll agree with the above statement that you nor your engine would know the difference. Moly is an extremely superb dry lubricant, I suspect oil makers add it in to help lubrication where oil supply may not be adequate under certain conditions, such as the wrist pin. But there's nearly always a little bit added into commercial automotive oils, if anything just so they can be on par with competitors products.
-srv

 

[ChemicallyChargd]

My last UOA from Blackstone reported 148ppm of moly (amsoil 0w-30, 12k run) with their universal averages for all the oil analysis' that came from the same engine being 78 ppm. I've seen as high as 8-900 in race oils, if it doesn't have any in it, it makes a competitors oil that much better, and why it's likely to have at least a tad especially because it's a lighter oil and as it thins out in the upper end of the heat range, the superb dry lubricant moly will assist in keeping metal-metal contact from occurring.

 

[MolaKule]

If you base your oil choices on any one particular oil additive component, then you have to also ask yourself these questions:

What is the MAX amount I will accept?

What is the Minimum amount I will accept?


Why am I emphasizing this one component over all others?

 

[jrustles]

Originally Posted By: MolaKule
If you base your oil choices on any one particular oil additive component, then you have to also ask yourself these questions:

What is the MAX amount I will accept?

What is the Minimum amount I will accept?


Why am I emphasizing this one component over all others?


Agreed. While generally I personally prefer to see high performance FM/AWs like moly in my oils, people have said it over again- including towards me- that essentially, oils are formulated with an "additive balance". Each additive has it's own "bell curve" of efficacy, and tribologists balance these parameters for an overall effect. Now bearing this in mind, the price of moly is high, and if a blender can meet performance targets without it, they will. If some moly allows this performance to be met where it's cheaper to add a small amount vs changing your base stocks/other parameters, then GENERALLY moly will be used. Again, it's hard to make a solid choice based on one single parameter, though. Choose wisely my friend.