DO WE REALLY NEED FUEL ADDITIVES?

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DO WE REALLY NEED FUEL ADDITIVES?
let\'s consider this.
the oil usually doesn\'t affect the top side of the piston so there is virtually no lubrication present above the top ring.

back when lead was available in fuels, that was a lubricant property in fuel and it helped, but now with unleaded fuels lubrication from fuel is minimal. many gasolines contain unstable components that can lead to deposit formation in high temperature areas in the air induction system such as carburetor, throttle body injector (TBI) or port fuel injector (PFI) or at the intake valve stem where the fuel flows through to the combustion chamber. since 95 the epa has mandated the use of detergent additives in gasoline to reduce emissions, but when you induce detergents, you reduce lubrication, so what lubricates the vavle stems and valves, and keeps the deposits from carbonizing up, on injectors and around the rings, causing sticky rings? this is where you would need a good balance from a fuel additive that can clean but yet also provide a lubricant to help reduce the wear created as mentioned above. also, without a good top end lubricant, you can experience valve recession among other things.

now in diesel fuel, you have sulfur as a primary lubricant. when epa reduced the sulfur content of diesel, alot of the engine manufactures had all sorts of leaking seals from their pumps because they were lubricated from the fuel and such as some of you may well know, that created alot of problems.

now adays, this isn't really a problem, but still there is the carbonization that is created due to sulfur. ever saw an injector or glow plug just carboned up with a black brittle substance? this is due to sulfur compounds burning to form acidic by products.

here is picture of a small test to show how a fuel additive reduces sulfur and neutralizes the acid by product of the fuel.
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the one on the left is without the fuel additive, and right with the additive.

what i did was to take 2 tubes, filled both half way with the same diesel fuel (note, don\'t attempt this with regular gas!), added 3 drops of sulfuric acid (byproduct of sulfur after burned) in both tubes. added additive to one on right, then shook well. then i drained them, and with a little torch, i heated them up and this is the result i got. as you can see, the one with the additive dang near eliminated the carbon that i have on the left one. this alone will affect your fuel mileage, performance, and help prevent rings from getting carbon deposits and sticking.

another problem, water content. all diesel fuels contain small amounts of water. as temperature decreases, the amount of water dissolved in the fuel will also decrease and may lead to a water layer forming on the bottom of the tanks, which in turn can cause bacterial contamination, added to water, will /can cause corrosion, filter plugging and icing in winter.

now, alot of fuel additives are subject to do one thing or another, but when looking for a good fuel additive, you want to find one that can address all these problems in one. so read the fine print, some are nothing more than an octane or cetane booster. others just a cleaner. what you want is one that clean and lubricate, the performance will increase once you address those two problems.

conclusion: yes, i use the neutra 131 fuel additive in mine and suggest the same to others for the reasons supplied above.
 
I use a Lucas UCL/Fuel Performance Catalyst mix (150ml Lucas, 35ml FPC) to every 50 litres fuel. Sure does make a difference in economy and if I'm not mistaken smoothness too. Similar to Neutra 131 I guess?
 
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Originally posted by MolaKule:
With all the laquer and varnish in fuel systems, yes we do need fuel system cleaners.

So which is the better way to treat this? Use one bottle of Neutra every 6 months? Or use a tiny dosage with each tankful?
 
I beleive a dose of the 131 for each tank to be the ticket for me,, these injector nozzles can actual wear out over time and markedly change the spray pattern I have been told by an expert in the field of fuel systems and owner of a injector sevice.Much like a stone in a brook that is reduced in size overtime by running water, the high pressure of the fuel increases the size of the orifice for lack of better terminology increasing it's wear making for a larger size,,so I have been told.

The GM L98 and Ford SVO injectors has a screen in front of them,,possible others are this design as well,,if the screen gets clogged,more work and money than merely changing the fuel filters.Anyway you can hear those injector clicking while at work,,that is a moving part to me and I like moving parts lubricated

Is it possible something the same or simaler happend to the Beemer in the Mobil 1 million mile test?
 
what fuel additives can i find in stores that are good??? is a fuel cleaner concentrate better than the ones you are supposed to "use with every tank" whats the dangers, goods and bads???
 
Patman,

I prefere an oz. of Neutra per tankful so as not to shock the fuel system and have one
big glob of gunk going to the injectors or the carb.
 
MolaKule, not to question your knowledge but that seems like a very small concentration. Did you mean 1oz for a car-sized tank? ~2500:1? Wouldn't some functions be impaired at that dilution? If it's that potent then using a full bottle should require an extra rinse cycle.
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David
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David that is a good question. Red Line also recommends only 1.5oz of thier SI-1 per 10gal of gas for lifetime fuel system cleanliness.

That's what I have been doing...but I still have the same questions as you.
 
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Originally posted by MolaKule:
Patman,

I prefere an oz. of Neutra per tankful so as not to shock the fuel system and have one
big glob of gunk going to the injectors or the carb.


Good point! Now I need to find a way to purchase some Neutra. I don't need a ton of it, so hopefully when I put in my next Schaeffer order I can just order 5 or 6 small bottles.
 
Since we are on this subject, I don't know what the concensus is on Marvel Mystery Oil (use to use Amsoil P.I. in an Audi I had), but I put in a 12 oz. bottle in the gas tank every oil change, which is 7,000 miles in my 93 Ponitac Grand Prix (with 227,000 miles) and I have never had any problems with this car at all.

Good Day,
Steven
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I'm another believer in GOOD fuel system additives. I really think that people who believe that everything necessary for a clean, long-lived fuel system is already blended into the gasoline have their heads in the sand.

In the last year two co-workers in my office had their check-engine idiot lights come on their vehicles and had to undergo $100+ cleanings and some parts replacements. One of these women was on her 2nd or 3rd O2 sensor and her vehicle (S-10 Blazer) did not have 70,000 miles on it yet.
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For the past 10 years, I've used Red Line Fuel system cleaner (1-2 ounces once each month) an occasional bottle of Chevron Techron (about 1 per year) and 1 bottle of isopropyl alcohol each month during the winter.

I was getting really light pinging this past summer at 120,000 miles so I replaced my O2 sensor. No difference. All I hear about injector cleaners is that they ruin sensors and emissions equipment. Well, my O2 sensor with all those miles of cleaners was still like new.

A couple of months ago, I bought a gallon jug of Neutra 131 and switched to that. So far, no difference. But, with a car which has been kept clean from the very beginning, I wasn't expecting any.
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My father's girlfriend drove a Prelude and with less than 40,000 miles (and 3+ years) on it, she complained of drivability problems in the middle of last winter. I test drove the car, confirmed that it was hesitating and dumped 1 bottle of Red Line SI-1 into it along with a bottle of isopropyl alcohol. Not even 10 miles later, the problem was gone.
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--- Bror Jace
 
Alcohol in the gas tank? Would running a bottle of techron at half a tank do a better job of cleaning than running it further diluted in a full tank (14 gallons) of gas? Thanks.
 
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Originally Posted By: 9krpmrx8
What are your thoughts on the Techron?


I used Techron about 1500 miles ago...The 4.6 seems smoother but that might be the placebo effect...I plan on using Gumout with Rogane next time...I figure every 5K miles when the oil gets changed.
 
I am a believer of using "Complete Fuel System Cleaner", not just injector cleaners of gas line anti freeze, I like three products and they have worked very well out for me.

Pennzoil (this specific kind is only found @ Walmart)
Lucas
Red Line

I use Redline and Lucas together at least once a year,usually twice a year in BMW, with Octane 89 or higher gasoline.

Helps me maintain good mileage and car runs smoother.
 
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