Dino or Synthetic? - Your real world experiences

[JADED]

Everyones budget is different I understand, but to me it is small.

Despite all the haters, I can see your logic too. But I choose to run syn. Like most here don't run super-tech dino despite that it will perform just fine.

But the fact is Syn is a better product than dino.

 

[Pablo]

Originally Posted By: tripleM
cause u get a fool who so often interject with 'it costs more it must be better.'

Where the real world data doesn't support that contention @ all.


Please show us the real world data. I want to see the 10K+ OCI UOA's on dino. I want to see the real world pump and flow data on dino 10w30 at -20°F. I want to see all the sludge engines with synthetic at 7.5K miles. If you make contentions that there is no difference at all, then prove it with real numbers.

I'm not defending this guy, but criminy you start beating on him mercilessly for his writing skills. And the same people doing the beating complain about lack of data being used on BITOG. Interesting.

If dino works for you, use it.

 

[Mamala Bay]

Depends also for those that run a business 6-7 days a week. Down time cost $$$. I do many that will not go back to dino oil and use a quality extended drain synthetic oil such as Amsoil. Time becomes a value.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: tripleM
cause u get a fool who so often interject with 'it costs more it must be better.'

Where the real world data doesn't support that contention @ all.


Please show us the real world data. I want to see the 10K+ OCI UOA's on dino. I want to see the real world pump and flow data on dino 10w30 at -20°F. I want to see all the sludge engines with synthetic at 7.5K miles. If you make contentions that there is no difference at all, then prove it with real numbers.

I'm not defending this guy, but criminy you start beating on him mercilessly for his writing skills. And the same people doing the beating complain about lack of data being used on BITOG. Interesting.

If dino works for you, use it.


I'd like to see that data too!

Frank D

 

[StevieC]

Originally Posted By: Mamala Bay
Depends also for those that run a business 6-7 days a week. Down time cost $$$. I do many that will not go back to dino oil and use a quality extended drain synthetic oil such as Amsoil. Time becomes a value.


I'm one of these people. I run Syn because I can safely extend the interval to double. I drive over 600 miles a week and sometimes I work 2 weeks straight in a row on the road. I can't afford to be crawling under my truck every couple weeks...

 

[06VtecV6]

Originally Posted By: StevieC
I just thought I would start a thread talking about Dino/Synthetic and your experiences and why you choose what you do.

... I will leave it for debate ...



That synthetic blends aka semi-synthetics are the best of both worlds for 'conventional' *no pun intended* 5000 mile-ish etc.(MMS/OLM dictated) oil changes.

Oh that and if you see your particular oil in the UOA section of BITOG and it shows the same oil in the same car hold up well to a certain OCI which can then allow you to prove your own oil and OCI decisions which from what I see, my particular semi-synthetic holds up well for 5000 mile high heat but no hauling, racing application.

Generally if you have an OLM/MMS, you're right on point and are helping protect your car for just a little pocket change, it's definitely worth it.

 

[tripleM]

Originally Posted By: Pablo

Please show us the real world data.


See the 500km thread.
That's real owner's data there.

All the hoopla about synth & ppl still pour it out around 5k -7.5k miles after non extreme duty.
Right....who's the bigger fool?

 

[Bryanccfshr]

when I plan on driving 5k or less per vehicle every 6 months I like conventional. If I think I may overshoot that I like sysnthetic. Conventional has never let me down and sysnthetic has never given any tangible benefit other than knowledge of running it.

 

[Pablo]

Originally Posted By: tripleM
Originally Posted By: Pablo

Please show us the real world data.


See the 500km thread.
That's real owner's data there.

All the hoopla about synth & ppl still pour it out around 5k -7.5k miles.
Right....who's the bigger fool?


Do you have a link? I'm not sure what thread you are talking about.

I would say the bigger fool is the person who changes dino oil every 3000 miles and owns the car for 500K miles.....what a waste of oil, time and sweat money. I'm just too busy to change my oil so frequently.

I change my oil every 10K+. I can go over a year. My last car went 280K miles, I sold it - engine was tight and clean.

 

[Drew99GT]

Guess you synthetic peddlers forgot the guy here with the Civic that's done 10K intervals with Havoline 5w-20, has several UOA posted that looked perfect (but I can't get them cause of the stupid search function), and also posted pics under the valve cover and the engine was spotless.

 

[StevieC]

Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Guess you synthetic peddlers forgot the guy here with the Civic that's done 10K intervals with Havoline 5w-20, has several UOA posted that looked perfect (but I can't get them cause of the stupid search function), and also posted pics under the valve cover and the engine was spotless.

While that's impressive, it doesn't mean that all engines will perform the same way with the same interval... Syn may be better in some applications than dino...

 

[tripleM]

Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: tripleM
Originally Posted By: Pablo

Please show us the real world data.


See the 500km thread.
That's real owner's data there.

All the hoopla about synth & ppl still pour it out around 5k -7.5k miles.
Right....who's the bigger fool?


Do you have a link? I'm not sure what thread you are talking about.

I would say the bigger fool is the person who changes dino oil every 3000 miles and owns the car for 500K miles.....what a waste of oil, time and sweat money. I'm just too busy to change my oil so frequently.

I change my oil every 10K+. I can go over a year. My last car went 280K miles, I sold it - engine was tight and clean.


At some point my cost benefit analysis says the synth ain't worth the 2 or 3 times what a modern day dino goes for.

If it was such a big waste of time, why are the ppl here so anxious to talk about their latest changes - albeit short changing no less.??!

You're a big boy, the 500km thread wasn't missed by many.
The point was clear, old dino, new dino, no problems over the long haul.

The point is do you want to change it often or do u drive in a extreme conditions? & even then ppl are short changing.

I rarely see a synth 10k miles UOA. ppl talk about it. But rarely do they actually ever do it.

oooh...my 92 Civic Si - 233k miles on 5k miles dino.
I figure I paid the same $ to get the same miles vs. Synth.

 

[Pablo]

One Honda. And name calling. OK.

 

[HTSS_TR]

Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah

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If your manual states you NEED syn, excellent. Use it.
...


I agreed. Specially for long OCIs such as 12-15k miles as in most MB of the last 10 years.

http://www.autosafety.org/1998-01-mercedes-fss-engine-damage
"In the suit, plaintiffs alleged that Mercedes-Benz vehicles were equipped with a defective "Flexible Service System" -- a system designed to monitor a car's driving condition and notify drivers when the vehicle requires an oil change. The alleged problem with the FSS occurs when the driver uses conventional oil instead of synthetic oil. Typically the FSS recommends oil changes somewhere between 10,000 and 20,000 miles with a 12,000-mile average depending on each vehicle's operation and driving conditions, but conventional oil will allegedly cause engine damage when used for FSS recommended drain intervals. In March 2001, Mercedes-Benz sent all vehicle owners a letter that strongly recommended switching over to pure synthetic oils for all FSS-equipped vehicles to prevent excessive oil consumption and oil sludging."

 

[Drew99GT]

Name calling?

If I was going to insult you with name calling, I'd call you Alvin.

 

[deven]

I use synthetics for one reason and one reason only and that reason being that if there was a sudden catastrophic event in my car(ie. excessive fuel dilution or a large coolant leak) synthetics have higher amounts of detergents and purer basestocks to slow down the formation of sludge or varnish and protect the engine a little bit longer. How much longer? I dont know but I do know that synthetics will protect your engine better under duress.

 

[oilboy123]

Comes down to how often you want to change oil and how much you want to spend on that oil change.

Then how long you want to run it any given interval. Some people who complain about the cost of syns don't mind changing them more often. I have been in that camp before for about 10 years.

I look at changing the oil as labor cost. Whether you have a shop do it or DIY. It still has to be added to the cost of the oil and filter. I do one change a year and someone else does 3 or 4. So they get to put the car in the air 2 or 3 more times. Have fun.....I would rather be posting here than doing extra oil changes.

So I just run Amsoil and do 1 year intervals. To each their own.........

 

[rg200amp]

I do not really want to get involved with this thread. I have been reading it post by post.

It dose not come down to what works best what works cheapest or anything.
It comes down to what makes the OWNER of the car happy.
The foolish thing is to argue your point of view is better then others. We all have our ways. Our ways makes US happy. We can come here to the forum and post our views, give info to new people, ect. . . But to just argue one way is better than the other is pointless. Do what makes ya happy. Because in the end, thats all that matters.

 

[Bill in Utah]

Originally Posted By: StevieC
Originally Posted By: Mamala Bay
Depends also for those that run a business 6-7 days a week. Down time cost $$$. I do many that will not go back to dino oil and use a quality extended drain synthetic oil such as Amsoil. Time becomes a value.


I'm one of these people. I run Syn because I can safely extend the interval to double. I drive over 600 miles a week and sometimes I work 2 weeks straight in a row on the road. I can't afford to be crawling under my truck every couple weeks...


So you'd need to change your oil every 1200 miles? (600 miles a week with you crawling under it every couple (that would be 2? how about 3?) ok 1800 miles?)

You can go longer than 1800 miles. Even if you do 600 miles a week, then a 5000 mile OCI would be every couple of MONTHS. Not weeks.

Originally Posted By: deven
I use synthetics for one reason and one reason only and that reason being that if there was a sudden catastrophic event in my car(ie. excessive fuel dilution or a large coolant leak) synthetics have higher amounts of detergents and purer basestocks to slow down the formation of sludge or varnish and protect the engine a little bit longer. How much longer? I dont know but I do know that synthetics will protect your engine better under duress.


Go talk to someone like Terry about that. (I have) If you are paying for Syn with the mindset that your engine will be fine if you get a coolant leak or such you are fooling yourself.

If you start to overheat do one thing. Pull over RIGHT AWAY and TOW the car and GET it REPAIRED. No oil is going to prevent damage.

Remember that there folks who look at this board for factual info.

Never heard the one that syn has higher amounts of detergents. I know oil meant for diesels does. Maybe HM oil does. Syn oil???

Bill

 

[greenaccord02]

Originally Posted By: rg200amp
I do not really want to get involved with this thread. I have been reading it post by post.

It dose not come down to what works best what works cheapest or anything.
It comes down to what makes the OWNER of the car happy.
The foolish thing is to argue your point of view is better then others. We all have our ways. Our ways makes US happy. We can come here to the forum and post our views, give info to new people, ect. . . But to just argue one way is better than the other is pointless. Do what makes ya happy. Because in the end, thats all that matters.

Quite right. If it feels good, do it.

The only reason I run synthetic is because if something were to happen and I forgot to change or couldn't change my oil I could miss 2 or 3 intervals and be fine. That and I've always had a penchant for overkill.