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Synthetics,to me,shine in the gearbox and rear differential.
Dino or Synthetic? - Your real world experiences
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I've been using supertech synthetic for quite a while.
Costs me a measly $5 more per oil change compared to dino.
I'm quite skeptical of marketing in general.
Never had an engine failure in my lifetime,the car falls apart before the motor develops problems.
Costs me a measly $5 more per oil change compared to dino.
I'm quite skeptical of marketing in general.
Never had an engine failure in my lifetime,the car falls apart before the motor develops problems.
Originally Posted By: Art_Vandelay
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
I've spent more $$ in UOAs here than I've paid for oil in the last 20 years.
I can't stop laughing at that line. It's the best.
And sadly its true.
A few of them did save me some $$ finding and getting the head gaskets done on the 99 Taurus.
But as far as the rest of them... $$ out the door.
I'll do one here and there (once the head gaskets are done on the subaru) to make sure all is well but that is it.
I sold back all my Kits to Blackstone (excellent customer service) a few months ago.
Take care, bill
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
I've spent more $$ in UOAs here than I've paid for oil in the last 20 years.
I can't stop laughing at that line. It's the best.
And sadly its true.
A few of them did save me some $$ finding and getting the head gaskets done on the 99 Taurus.
But as far as the rest of them... $$ out the door.
I'll do one here and there (once the head gaskets are done on the subaru) to make sure all is well but that is it.
I sold back all my Kits to Blackstone (excellent customer service) a few months ago.
Take care, bill
I'm not sure if I'm in the majority here or not, but I see a lot of value in doing a UOA at milestone mileages: 25k, 50k, 75k, etc. I also see a lot of value in one right before a warranty expires.
I don't know if I would be willing to take a sample every 2000 miles to try to stretch an extended drain or not, but to each his own.
I don't know if I would be willing to take a sample every 2000 miles to try to stretch an extended drain or not, but to each his own.
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: tripleM
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I look at synthetic oil this way. People spend a lot of money on insurance, many never put in a claim, but if you've ever had a loss you're glad you paid for the insurance. Another thing, I don't frown upon people for making a choice that I don't agree with. To each his own, spend your money anyway you like, you can't take it with you!
Very well stated Frank.
I just put in my first auto accident claim after 17 years with allstate. It was my fault in the accident, but Allstate never once put up a stink.
So I do get what you are saying.
I think if you get results from your methods, who cares what other says.
Cheers.
Well you have to have insurance since it is the law.
I put in my first claim with Progressive (or any insurance company) after driving over 30 years. They took care of repairs and beyond with no hassle.
And Progressive is $700 less per year than Allstate.
Did I get what I paid for since I saved $700 on insurance?
Take care, bill
PS: Sucks that we now have to wait 3 years (2 years now) before we are deemed safe drivers again (actually my wife even though it was NOT her fault). She has never had a accident in 30plus years of driving and this happened. Oh well... lucky she was not injured and the repairs on the Subaru are good.
I guess I missed this earlier. Health and Dental Insurance are not required by law, yet many of us who don't have that coverage at work pay for it. Many of us don't get sick, or need dental work, so the premium is often thought of as a waste, until that one big time............I don't think you have to buy home owners insurance unless you have a mortgage on your house (correct me if I'm wrong on this one). Ever have a fire in your house?
Good healthy debate, like I said, spend your money anyway you want!
Frank D
Originally Posted By: tripleM
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I look at synthetic oil this way. People spend a lot of money on insurance, many never put in a claim, but if you've ever had a loss you're glad you paid for the insurance. Another thing, I don't frown upon people for making a choice that I don't agree with. To each his own, spend your money anyway you like, you can't take it with you!
Very well stated Frank.
I just put in my first auto accident claim after 17 years with allstate. It was my fault in the accident, but Allstate never once put up a stink.
So I do get what you are saying.
I think if you get results from your methods, who cares what other says.
Cheers.
Well you have to have insurance since it is the law.
I put in my first claim with Progressive (or any insurance company) after driving over 30 years. They took care of repairs and beyond with no hassle.
And Progressive is $700 less per year than Allstate.
Did I get what I paid for since I saved $700 on insurance?
Take care, bill
PS: Sucks that we now have to wait 3 years (2 years now) before we are deemed safe drivers again (actually my wife even though it was NOT her fault). She has never had a accident in 30plus years of driving and this happened. Oh well... lucky she was not injured and the repairs on the Subaru are good.
I guess I missed this earlier. Health and Dental Insurance are not required by law, yet many of us who don't have that coverage at work pay for it. Many of us don't get sick, or need dental work, so the premium is often thought of as a waste, until that one big time............I don't think you have to buy home owners insurance unless you have a mortgage on your house (correct me if I'm wrong on this one). Ever have a fire in your house?
Good healthy debate, like I said, spend your money anyway you want!
Frank D
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I guess I missed this earlier. Health and Dental Insurance are not required by law, yet many of us who don't have that coverage at work pay for it. Many of us don't get sick, or need dental work, so the premium is often thought of as a waste, until that one big time............I don't think you have to buy home owners insurance unless you have a mortgage on your house (correct me if I'm wrong on this one). Ever have a fire in your house?
Good healthy debate, like I said, spend your money anyway you want!
Frank D
I can opt of my heath and dental insurance (glad I did not since I had my first major operation in May of this year and blew through $38k worth of stuff) and take the $$ that my company spends (a part of) and pocket it.
It is called risks. I would rather spend the $$ on something that matters (and have done the testing unlike most others around here) and get on with it.
Most people are wasting their $$ and could do a few tests instead of just blowing their $$. But that is ok, the oil companies do need more $$.
You are correct that most states, you do not have to have Home owners insurance.
No I have not had a fire, if I did... It would be on Headline news every 15mins.
Take care, bill
PS: My bottom line is we have tons of people who look towards BITOG for factual data. I'd hate for someone who does not have the funds feel that if you use conventional oil that your engine will die within the next year. (and there are members here who post that way)
These one line replies to inquires that "xxx type or xxxx brand is the only oil and if you care for your engine it is the only oil to use" are my concern.
All oil is good out there. If your manual states to use Syn then you should. If it does not, you do not NEED to.
I guess I missed this earlier. Health and Dental Insurance are not required by law, yet many of us who don't have that coverage at work pay for it. Many of us don't get sick, or need dental work, so the premium is often thought of as a waste, until that one big time............I don't think you have to buy home owners insurance unless you have a mortgage on your house (correct me if I'm wrong on this one). Ever have a fire in your house?
Good healthy debate, like I said, spend your money anyway you want!
Frank D
I can opt of my heath and dental insurance (glad I did not since I had my first major operation in May of this year and blew through $38k worth of stuff) and take the $$ that my company spends (a part of) and pocket it.
It is called risks. I would rather spend the $$ on something that matters (and have done the testing unlike most others around here) and get on with it.
Most people are wasting their $$ and could do a few tests instead of just blowing their $$. But that is ok, the oil companies do need more $$.
You are correct that most states, you do not have to have Home owners insurance.
No I have not had a fire, if I did... It would be on Headline news every 15mins.
Take care, bill
PS: My bottom line is we have tons of people who look towards BITOG for factual data. I'd hate for someone who does not have the funds feel that if you use conventional oil that your engine will die within the next year. (and there are members here who post that way)
These one line replies to inquires that "xxx type or xxxx brand is the only oil and if you care for your engine it is the only oil to use" are my concern.
All oil is good out there. If your manual states to use Syn then you should. If it does not, you do not NEED to.
Unless you have beater I dont see the point and many will disagree I expect. Never have bought a quart of regular dino except for the lawn mower. With all the expenses of a car why skimp especially if you buy your cars new and plan the keep them! My wife, daughter and I depend on them for reliable transportation so it is more than just finding the cheapest product that will work.
Originally Posted By: JADED
Unless you have beater I dont see the point and many will disagree I expect. Never have bought a quart of regular dino except for the lawn mower. With all the expenses of a car why skimp especially if you buy your cars new and plan the keep them! My wife, daughter and I depend on them for reliable transportation so it is more than just finding the cheapest product that will work.
I see you've missed all the threads about the 500k km testimonials on dino threads. Look it up. It was recent.
As for skimping, well if a car cost that much to upkeep, I suspect it's not worth what you paid for it.
The fact of the matter is that a new -well built car should not cost that much if anything to upkeep.
Too many ppl have had good dino experiences here on BITOG to say otherwise. & they weren't cheaping out either.
Unless you have beater I dont see the point and many will disagree I expect. Never have bought a quart of regular dino except for the lawn mower. With all the expenses of a car why skimp especially if you buy your cars new and plan the keep them! My wife, daughter and I depend on them for reliable transportation so it is more than just finding the cheapest product that will work.
I see you've missed all the threads about the 500k km testimonials on dino threads. Look it up. It was recent.
As for skimping, well if a car cost that much to upkeep, I suspect it's not worth what you paid for it.
The fact of the matter is that a new -well built car should not cost that much if anything to upkeep.
Too many ppl have had good dino experiences here on BITOG to say otherwise. & they weren't cheaping out either.
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Originally Posted By: JADED
Unless you have beater I dont see the point and many will disagree I expect. Never have bought a quart of regular dino except for the lawn mower. With all the expenses of a car why skimp especially if you buy your cars new and plan the keep them! My wife, daughter and I depend on them for reliable transportation so it is more than just finding the cheapest product that will work.
Ok. Like I want my wife and kids to be stranded due to my pick of motor oil. (and by the way, they never have. I did have to tow the 300k+ jetta the other month.. Broken clutch cable.. Sure wish I ran Syn so that would have not happened..)
Wow.. Amazing post.
Does prove my point though.
Unless you have beater I dont see the point and many will disagree I expect. Never have bought a quart of regular dino except for the lawn mower. With all the expenses of a car why skimp especially if you buy your cars new and plan the keep them! My wife, daughter and I depend on them for reliable transportation so it is more than just finding the cheapest product that will work.
Ok. Like I want my wife and kids to be stranded due to my pick of motor oil. (and by the way, they never have. I did have to tow the 300k+ jetta the other month.. Broken clutch cable.. Sure wish I ran Syn so that would have not happened..)
Wow.. Amazing post.
Does prove my point though.
Doesn't matter to me what cars have done what. Can't compare apple's to oranje's and theres no guarantees. I dont have there car , there engine, or there diving habits. And as for the difference between syn and dino is veryyyyyyyyyyyyy small amount of money. Gas+Insurance+Tires is where most money is spent.
You buy the cheapest tires available because some guy at the store says there good for 40k, and stop fine in the rain?
You missed the whole point!!
You buy the cheapest tires available because some guy at the store says there good for 40k, and stop fine in the rain?
You missed the whole point!!
Originally Posted By: JADED
Doesn't matter to me what cars have done what. Can't compare apple's to oranje's and theres no guarantees. I dont have there car , there engine, or there diving habits. And as for the difference between syn and dino is veryyyyyyyyyyyyy small amount of money. Gas+Insurance+Tires is where most money is spent.
You buy the cheapest tires available because some guy at the store says there good for 40k, and stop fine in the rain?
You missed the whole point!!
Let's see. $12 for a 5 qt jug vs $23. $9 is not too much PER oil change?
Let me guess. You learned and like the new math?
Oh well. I guess I'm the clueless one.
Bill
PS: I'm glad I don't have their car either...
Doesn't matter to me what cars have done what. Can't compare apple's to oranje's and theres no guarantees. I dont have there car , there engine, or there diving habits. And as for the difference between syn and dino is veryyyyyyyyyyyyy small amount of money. Gas+Insurance+Tires is where most money is spent.
You buy the cheapest tires available because some guy at the store says there good for 40k, and stop fine in the rain?
You missed the whole point!!
Let's see. $12 for a 5 qt jug vs $23. $9 is not too much PER oil change?
Let me guess. You learned and like the new math?
Oh well. I guess I'm the clueless one.
Bill
PS: I'm glad I don't have their car either...
Originally Posted By: JADED
You missed the whole point!!
You missed English class.
You missed the whole point!!
You missed English class.
The idea of "skimping" by using dino is a misunderstanding. The cost is a difference, but the wear results in those UOAs (when used as recommended by the automaker) don't show dramatic differences to me.
I use synthetic oil for extended drain intervals. Synthetic gear and transmission oil also. I use Amsoil because they make quality products not cheap stuff!
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Originally Posted By: JADED
You missed the whole point!!
You missed English class.
I sorta helped him in my PS..
Originally Posted By: JADED
You missed the whole point!!
You missed English class.
I sorta helped him in my PS..
My vote is for dino in every non-turbo engine. I use dino in my new Hondas for the most part. Synth would be a waste because I like to change my oil every few months anyway.
Using the above math my savings changing back from synthetic to dino will net me $18/yr. I'll call it an $18 insurance premium. This debate can go on forever, and its all good. We have those loyal to dino and those loyal to synthetic, why can't we all live in harmony
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cause u get a fool who so often interject with 'it costs more it must be better.'
Where the real world data doesn't support that contention @ all.
Where the real world data doesn't support that contention @ all.
Originally Posted By: JADED
Doesn't matter to me what cars have done what.
You missed the whole point!!
I believe most will say you've missed the point.
Doesn't matter to me what cars have done what.
You missed the whole point!!
I believe most will say you've missed the point.
I guess so, I never looked at it that way. I just didn't like the sound of the engine firing up in my treasured Van @ -25*F after sitting a few days with the 5w30 Dino. It had nothing to do with UOA or anything else, it was just that sound.
For the record I will repeat myself, my 93 Aerostar with 166K was fed Dino its entire life, and still runs like a champ.
Frank D
For the record I will repeat myself, my 93 Aerostar with 166K was fed Dino its entire life, and still runs like a champ.
Frank D
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