[Cut Open] Bosch D+ and PureONE

[cp3]

Thanx for the pics OC!

Not to criticize but I have to agree with HTSS_TR, I would think the P1 would make the whole OCI. Although, I'd have trouble letting an OCI go that long anyway. The 15000-16000 km that the G5 is looking like it's going to be is hard enough for me to get used to and that is only 10k miles.

 

[OldCowboy]

The P1 can hold 13 grams of "stuff", while the D+ can hold 29.1 grams of "stuff". The P1 will clog and go into bypass much sooner than the D+.

The engineer that I contacted about the P1 said, "The recommended change interval for a PureOne filter is 4-5K miles max."

 

[Sayjac]

Quote:
The engineer that I contacted about the P1 said, "The recommended change interval for a PureOne filter is 4-5K miles max."
I read the post regarding this comment, at that point I didn't see it mentioned/identified that he was an engineer.

Whatever, Purolator's own recommendation, the second half of the statement, says the P1 is capable and may be used for the entire auto manufacturers recommended OCI. I've personally run 2 P1's to the Honda MM ~10% MM, one of which went the full year max. The post use dissected P1's looked great.

So, I'd disagree with whatever the title of the Puro Rep was. The P1 with silicone adbv can easily be run to 7500 miles or one year max, especially in a well maintained clean engine. Depending on type of service 4-5k would be at the very low end of the P1 OCI capability.

 

[ltslimjim]

^I agree, more or less. Especially with your sentence before the last.

 

[Texan4Life]

Great pics and i love the close up shot of the two medias. Also interesting seeing the weights.

 

[cp3]

You have to think just about any filter on the market will be able to go the distance for a factory OCI, in average conditions.

 

[simple_gifts]

Advice to only use a P1 4-5K miles is an invitation to find a different filter IMHO.

Should I change my M1-103? It has been on for 20K miles.

 

[GMBoy]

Not knowing truly how long a filter really will "last" is why many people perform 5k mile +/- oil changes. That and it's nice to check the car over more frequently than just every 10-15k miles.

 

[Bruce T]

The P1 engineer recommending 4-5k miles max is probably a conservative estimate, so sayjac's 7.5k miles sounds reasonable in a clean, well-maintained engine. With the P1's fine filtering, I wouldn't attempt 10-15k, which to me enters the realm of long distance filters. Running the P1 this long is misusing the product.

 

[Sayjac]

Here's the last two P1's I've run to ~7k on a Honda 3.0L. The first, to Honda's one year max (~10-15%)MM, the second took ~9 months, same MM%. It seems that according to Puro, the P1 can do at least whatever the owners manual calls for in an OEM. These two P1's sure seem to corroborate that. Now according to my MM I could run the P1 twice and these look like they could handle it. But, at about ~$3 (my price with rebates/promo etc.) a piece there's little cost benefit, or as someone said on another recent thread, false economy. Might as well change it out each time while I'm under the vehicle.

However, I'm currently running a Bosch D+ in the same vehicle. Going to run it two full MM OCI's, more as an experiment than anything else. And, with double the holding capacity of the P1, and based on the previous P1 results, I feel confident it will be fine. I also got the BD+ on special, only cost about $4.50 so it too was a good deal. I will post pics of the BD+ when I finish but it will be awhile.

So I'll agree with BruceT, the 4-5k was a conservative estimate. And perhaps in severe service/dirty engine might be closer to accurate.

 

[whitson01]

where/how did you get the bosch d+ so cheap?

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: sayjac

However, I'm currently running a Bosch D+ in the same vehicle. Going to run it two full MM OCI's, more as an experiment than anything else. And, with double the holding capacity of the P1, and based on the previous P1 results, I feel confident it will be fine.


+1

 

[Sayjac]

Originally Posted By: whitson01
where/how did you get the bosch d+ so cheap?
Well, I got 3 BD+ when Advance had on of their online 'glitches', and I bought 3 PennzPlat/Bosch DP+ oil and filter promios using Advence online codes. Not supposed to allow codes for oil but it did and I jumped on it, as did others. Haven't seen a glitch in some time.

But if they have an Advance stores near you, you might be able to do better now with AAP codes and the current Bosch DP $5 rebate.

Buy 4 BD+ at AAP online use code ES123 (was working yesterday) $20 off $50 order, add the rebate and they work out to ~3.75 each. with in store pick up. It's been posted on the promo board. Heck of a deal.

 

[whitson01]

awesome. thanks

 

[Sayjac]

No problem. OT The biggest issue some have had is finding 4 BD+ of the same app#. Sometimes you have to search local AAP's online to find availability. If buying for more than one vehicle it may be easier.

 

[OldCowboy]

Hi sayjac,

I've seen lots of pictures of used filters cut open, and frankly they don't tell me anything except there are no pieces of "junk" large enough to be seen by the naked eye. Any filter could be completely plugged, in bypass mode, and the cut open picture would look the same. Here's the things I can tell about those pictures:
- The pleats are straight, with no apparent tears
- There are no visible pieces of "junk"
- There is an ADBV

Whether this filter is still flowing at a normal rate or is in bypass mode cannot be told from these pictures.

I was bothered by the wording on the P1 web site. "Purolator PureONE oil filters should be replaced every 3,000 miles or 3 months depending on the driving conditions - or unless otherwise specified by the vehicle's manufacturer."

This wording bothered me. If the PureONE could go the normal OCI of any manufacturer, why the 3,000 miles or 3 months wording. Then I took special notice of the "unless otherwise specified by the vehicle's manufacturer." And I realized that this phrase could be interpreted to mean, "Unless the vehicle's manufacturer specifies that a PureONE filter could be used for an OCI longer than 3000 miles or 3 months."

So, I contacted PureONE about this. That is when their representative told me this filter was good for 4K to 5K miles, maximum.

You're free to believe that the PureONE is capable of 7K miles or longer. I'll go by what the representative told me and use a D+, or M1 EP, or NAPA Platinum, or similar filter for my 10K-12K OCIs.

 

[Sayjac]

Hey OC,

Your choice. I just look at it differently. I look at the first part of Puro's recommendation as the CYA statement. I look at the second part as saying, in lieu of that, anything the OEM can do, as recommended by the owner manual/OLM and the manufacturer, the P1 can handle.

Having used P1 to the second part of the statement many times, I'm very confident they can do at least what's recommended for the oem in my vehicles. And as mentioned here by another poster, P1's 13 grams holding capacity is quite a large amount material holding capability and very comparable if not better than many/most non rated/stated extended oci filters.

As for the Puro representative response, his statement directly contradicts what is stated on the Puolator web site. Based on that and my own experience, I'll go with the website recommendation statemant over the rep here, 7k-7.5k/1year is easily doable if that's what the oem is recommended for.

That said, if you choose to take the rep a face value, your choice. If your OLM or owners manual says 10-12k oci, then perhaps you feel more confident with an extended oci filter, understandable. But, if your OEM filter (whatever that is) will do that OCI, if done in 1 year, I can't see a P1 being any less capable. That's what the Puro website says, and I take that at face value. Hope I've made it clear-er.

To each their own.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: OldCowboy

This wording bothered me. If the PureONE could go the normal OCI of any manufacturer, why the 3,000 miles or 3 months wording. Then I took special notice of the "unless otherwise specified by the vehicle's manufacturer." And I realized that this phrase could be interpreted to mean, "Unless the vehicle's manufacturer specifies that a PureONE filter could be used for an OCI longer than 3000 miles or 3 months."

So, I contacted PureONE about this. That is when their representative told me this filter was good for 4K to 5K miles, maximum.


I have to admit that the wording on Purolator's website is kind of confusing about how long their filters can be used. I could never quite figure out what under of over 15,000/year really meant.

Even what the Purolator Rep told you is contradictory to their advertising. There are manufacture OCI specs (non severe use) that exceed the 4K~5K mark by quite a bit. In fact, if you followed Honda's spec, theoretically you could be leaving the filter on for two OCIs and rack up some miles on the filter.

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: sayjac
And as mentioned here by another poster, P1's 13 grams holding capacity is quite a large amount material holding capability and very comparable if not better than many/most non rated/stated extended oci filters.


I don't think people realize how much 13 grams of dirt/debris really is. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that capacity for following either normal or severe service OEM filter change recommendations. There is a reason that Purolator/Bosch have different filters altogether for certain European applications, but that's another matter altogether, with a totally different OCI philosophy.

 

[OldCowboy]

Well, I don't know if 13 grams of dirt is a lot or not. The D+ holds over twice that as does the Fram Xtended Guard. Fram notes that the normal basic oil filter holds about 12 grams of dirt. Based on that information, the PureONE holds no more than the OCOD.

Mobil doesn't say much about the capacity of their EP filter. Neither does NAPA provide capacity information for their Platinum, nor does Amsoil for their EaO filters. Wix says their filters hold 45% more, but don't say what that's based on.

Based on this limited information, I have to believe that a 4K-5K OCI is about as far as the PureONE should be stretched.