What current synthetic oils are PAO group IV based ? I have heard that Mobil 1 EP is?
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Current synthetics that are PAO based
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I'm only sure about Red Line. Their web site says,"Fully-synthetic ester formula..."
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Why does it matter?
Oh yeah, it doesn't. Wife's tale.
Oh yeah, it doesn't. Wife's tale.
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Why does it matter?
Oh yeah, it doesn't. Wife's tale.
I agree.
Why does it matter?
Oh yeah, it doesn't. Wife's tale.
I agree.
Perhaps you can goto all the motor oil manufactures and see the data sheets then report back here with the "is it PAO or is it not?" and help me with the spreadsheet.
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Originally Posted By: sHERM
What current synthetic oils are PAO group IV based ? I have heard that Mobil 1 EP is?
Grp III,as with all of the otc synths.
What current synthetic oils are PAO group IV based ? I have heard that Mobil 1 EP is?
Grp III,as with all of the otc synths.
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I remember seeing a Japanese pds a few years ago (way before the Visom powerpoint) that said the M1 15W50 was a grp IV/V oil. Now that the Visom grp III stuff came about,I wonder if this is still the case? BUT,the Visom powerpoint said all M1 oils were "shifting from pao to grp III without alerting the consumers". That's the only current evidence I've seen.
Originally Posted By: sHERM
What current synthetic oils are PAO group IV based ?
The same ones that were in last week's identical thread, and the same ones from the week before that. Other than certain boutiques, certain HDEOs, and some European type oils, we don't know. Even then, it's dicey. A safe bet is that an oil that only meets SN/GF-5 is probably not going to be primarily PAO based.
What current synthetic oils are PAO group IV based ?
The same ones that were in last week's identical thread, and the same ones from the week before that. Other than certain boutiques, certain HDEOs, and some European type oils, we don't know. Even then, it's dicey. A safe bet is that an oil that only meets SN/GF-5 is probably not going to be primarily PAO based.
Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
Originally Posted By: sHERM
What current synthetic oils are PAO group IV based ? I have heard that Mobil 1 EP is?
Grp III,as with all of the otc synths.
Actually this is not true for M1 oils. There is some grp3, but all M1 oils also have esters and PaO blend.
Originally Posted By: sHERM
What current synthetic oils are PAO group IV based ? I have heard that Mobil 1 EP is?
Grp III,as with all of the otc synths.
Actually this is not true for M1 oils. There is some grp3, but all M1 oils also have esters and PaO blend.
There are certain Amsoil products that are all PAO.
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Originally Posted By: artificialist
There are certain Amsoil products that are all PAO.
I think the better term would be "primarily PAO", as there's no lubricant that is 100% a particular base stock. The Signature Series oils are primarily PAO-based.
There are certain Amsoil products that are all PAO.
I think the better term would be "primarily PAO", as there's no lubricant that is 100% a particular base stock. The Signature Series oils are primarily PAO-based.
Castrol 0w-30 and Castrol 0w-40 are probably heavy on PAO seen by their extremely low pour points.
Also, Mobil 1 0w-30 has a pretty low published pour point, so it may also be heavy on the PAO.
Also, Mobil 1 0w-30 has a pretty low published pour point, so it may also be heavy on the PAO.
Originally Posted By: StevieBoy
I'm only sure about Red Line. Their web site says,"Fully-synthetic ester formula..."
And of course Red Line uses PAO as well. No oil is 100% ester of any variety. No oil is 100% PAO.
It doesn't matter. Or it only matters to people who THINK they are somehow outsmarting others/the system/basic organic chemical concepts/science/the general tribology body of work by using an oil with this or that base oil.
I'm only sure about Red Line. Their web site says,"Fully-synthetic ester formula..."
And of course Red Line uses PAO as well. No oil is 100% ester of any variety. No oil is 100% PAO.
It doesn't matter. Or it only matters to people who THINK they are somehow outsmarting others/the system/basic organic chemical concepts/science/the general tribology body of work by using an oil with this or that base oil.
But... but... PAO gives you instant baller status. Massive bragging rights.
Originally Posted By: sHERM
What current synthetic oils are PAO group IV based ? I have heard that Mobil 1 EP is?
Question is obsolete. It doesn't matter. Who cares. More important things in life. Its been debated into oblivion. No longer considered valid. More marketing than performance based. Question should be retired. We have all moved on. Makes 2/5ths of 3/8ths difference for street driven cars. Hydro-cracked XHVI oils rule.
What current synthetic oils are PAO group IV based ? I have heard that Mobil 1 EP is?
Question is obsolete. It doesn't matter. Who cares. More important things in life. Its been debated into oblivion. No longer considered valid. More marketing than performance based. Question should be retired. We have all moved on. Makes 2/5ths of 3/8ths difference for street driven cars. Hydro-cracked XHVI oils rule.
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: StevieBoy
I'm only sure about Red Line. Their web site says,"Fully-synthetic ester formula..."
And of course Red Line uses PAO as well. No oil is 100% ester of any variety. No oil is 100% PAO.
It doesn't matter. Or it only matters to people who THINK they are somehow outsmarting others/the system/basic organic chemical concepts/science/the general tribology body of work by using an oil with this or that base oil.
And with that does anything else need to be said.
Originally Posted By: virginoil
Originally Posted By: sHERM
What current synthetic oils are PAO group IV based ? I have heard that Mobil 1 EP is?
Question is obsolete. It doesn't matter. Who cares. More important things in life. Its been debated into oblivion. No longer considered valid. More marketing than performance based. Question should be retired. We have all moved on. Makes 2/5ths of 3/8ths difference for street driven cars. Hydro-cracked XHVI oils rule.
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Originally Posted By: StevieBoy
I'm only sure about Red Line. Their web site says,"Fully-synthetic ester formula..."
And of course Red Line uses PAO as well. No oil is 100% ester of any variety. No oil is 100% PAO.
It doesn't matter. Or it only matters to people who THINK they are somehow outsmarting others/the system/basic organic chemical concepts/science/the general tribology body of work by using an oil with this or that base oil.
And with that does anything else need to be said.
Originally Posted By: virginoil
Originally Posted By: sHERM
What current synthetic oils are PAO group IV based ? I have heard that Mobil 1 EP is?
Question is obsolete. It doesn't matter. Who cares. More important things in life. Its been debated into oblivion. No longer considered valid. More marketing than performance based. Question should be retired. We have all moved on. Makes 2/5ths of 3/8ths difference for street driven cars. Hydro-cracked XHVI oils rule.
Ha.
Awesome
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
But... but...PAO ESTER gives you instant HUGE BALL status. Massive bragging rights.
Fixed that for you.
But... but...
Fixed that for you.
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