CR: Most Reliable Makes of 2010

[SteveSRT8]

Originally Posted By: rshunter
I love how when something doesn't agree with a person's preconcieved notions, it's complete garbage. But, when they match up, it's a shining endorsement of their beliefs. Funny that, innit?


Yeah, funny.

Too bad more people don't look beneath the surface instead of just eating up whatever's in print!

Still funny?

 

[SteveSRT8]

Originally Posted By: CROWNVIC4LIFE
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
You may as well just stop people in the street and question them. You'll probably get more reliable and accurate information.


That is generally what I do...I also ask the Leos in law enforcement [as well as taxi drivers] how their cars hold up.

I always let the Leos test the new vehicles out first.


That's a gem! And those taxi drivers can be a wealth of info. Talk to the dispatcher.

For LEO's I go to the service garage and talk to the supervisor. They are usually eager to share experiences.

 

[Spyder7]

Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Gawd, are you a shill or what? Posting this [censored] all over the forum?


That's just a little inflammatory, and completely and totally unwarranted as well. If you look through posting history you'll see this is the first time I've ever posted a single topic related remotely to CR. I have posted a few times in CR related topics created by other members.

Your accusation is completely unfounded, and a classic case of shooting the messenger because you took issue with whatever they wrote. You don't like what they wrote, contact them. But don't go hurling unwarranted insults and accusations my way.

-Spyder

 

[Spyder7]

Originally Posted By: sayjac
The OP's summary listing(s) "seems" to indicate the focus is on the best and worst cars (models) of each automaker. The true focus of the survey and full article and graphs(not show) is which are the most reliable automakers (make/brand) 'according to the survey'.

The listing of the best and worst vehicles simply being the 'range' of that make. The best car bringing the makes overall reliability rating up, the worst, pulling it down.

From the survey results, it does appear the bottom Euro brands (Mercedes, BMW, Audi) owners' have had more reliabilty issues than other makes at the top. As an example, the owners (in the survey) of BMW's Ultimate Driving Machines, with the 135i being the worst, are less satified with reliabilty than the owners of the Japanese (Acura, Honda, Infinity, Toyota, Lexus) makes.

AND, you're not seeing the full listing for makes in between the top and bottom. ~7 brands in between the top/bottom brand.

So, 11-17 from the top (best) are: Hyundai, Mazda, Kia, Nissan, Lincoln, Volkswagen and Chevy.

Again, this is a survey, not from testing, so the the results are subject to all positives and negatives of survey research. And, it is also how CR does their long term auto reliability ratings


I originally posted the best of, in one post, and the worst of, in a separate one. Bill sensibly merged the two posts together, as in hindsight that was what I should have done originally. I did mention in one, but not the other, of the original posts that these were based on owner satisfaction surveys, but I think that got lost in the thread merge.

It is in the link, though. The OP was rushed when posting that, and it should of been mentioned that it was CR owner satisfaction survey based, and posted as one thread. The omission of that information was unintentional, as it is very relevant when interpreting it within its proper context.

-Spyder

 

[SteveSRT8]

Gee, some folks get so much from 14 words. Grow some skin. Shill: self-interested promoter: somebody who promotes somebody else or makes a sales pitch for something for reasons of self-interest.

There were only "insults and allegations" in your world, not mine.

And I forgot to thank Bill for merging them into one thread!

Thanks Bill.

 

[Sayjac]

Quote:
Gawd, are you a shill or what? Posting this [censored] all over the forum?
Wow, what got your panties in a bunch? Don't like the OP's post, ignore it or don't respond. You obviously got a problem/issue CR's survey. You're comment was totally uncalled for, in a word, rude. Then somehow the comment disappears (edit), but the OP caught it. I see nothing wrong with OP's post, or different than is posted here all the time. Hardly see the posting of the survey results as "shilling" for anyone, and certainly nothing to respond rudely over.

As for the OP (Spyder), I got no problem with your post. But, since some didn't seem to understand the best posting of best/worst of each make, just tried to give it some context. In the CR article the is a graph of the 27 makes which better summarizes the results, but because of copyright can't post it. So, just tried to provide added info to make the results more clear.

 

[SteveSRT8]

you get to call it whatever you want. Seems you're a whole lot more excited than I am.

I edited nothing, the comment still stands. And if you take it out of context I guess you can imagine it up into anything you need it to be.

 

[Spyder7]

Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Gee, some folks get so much from 14 words. Grow some skin. Shill: self-interested promoter: somebody who promotes somebody else or makes a sales pitch for something for reasons of self-interest.

There were only "insults and allegations" in your world, not mine.

And I forgot to thank Bill for merging them into one thread!

Thanks Bill.


I have no self-interest in CR. I don't subscribe to it or read it much online. This was the first mildly entertaining CR article and I thought it'd be amusing to post.

A couple of things really resonated with me and I agree with some of the makes on both lists, though not the order. I found it interesting that Chrylser made the worst spot, and I think they are, as far as recent models go, probably worthy of their placement there.

I had mixed feelings about the Dodge appearance on the worst list. Their cars are mainly Dodge branded Chrysler clones, but I think their excellent line of pickups should have elevated them into a better category than the 10 worst.

I agree with the GM additions to the worst list. GM has improved, but they are not in the same league as the top ten yet, despite considerable market share. They are improving, definitely, but still not up to Ford standards IMHO.

I thought it ironic so many German models, especially the more prestigious makes, counted so heavily in the 10 worst category. They collectively outnumbered GM, and this is in spite of the 'German Engineering myth.' German engineering isn't what it used to be.

I agreed with the addition of Ford to the 10 best lineup. I might number them differently, and maybe exclude a make or 2, but I generally agreed with the 10 best models.

When assessed only on the merits of reliability, all the survey was intended to address, I thought it a good read.

Some here think CR is trash, and that is fine - they are entitled to their opinion. I just consider it one more source of information, no more, no less.

-Spyder

 

[SteveSRT8]

It's not trash, just not a reliable source of automotive info.

And please don't take my comments as personally directed hate or whatever. DEFINITELY not intended as such.

I'll even agree it's just another info point.

Cheers!

 

[Scienceman]

Yaris?
shzzze! The yaris does hardly anything for Toyota!

 

[Scienceman]

*not saying they are a bad car*

 

[CROWNVIC4LIFE]

Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8

Talk to the dispatcher.

For LEO's I go to the service garage and talk to the supervisor. They are usually eager to share experiences.


That is a awesome idea SteveSRT8.

 

[SteveSRT8]

Yeah, I was looking at a Impala that was slightly wrecked (my son does bodywork) as a resale money maker. I went to the Sheriff's maintenance station and chatted up the Supervisor and got more info on V8/V6 Impalas than you can believe!

The guy was so helpful I felt like I owed him money!

 

[casperfun]

Didn't Consumer Reports did not recommend Toyota for a time because of acceleration problems.

Also didn't they publish their findings on how the Lexus GX 460 tipped over and didn't recommend them until it was fixed?

I never subscribed to the magazine but I read about them in the news and online occassionally.

I use them as another source of information and they seem to want the consumer safe if a vehicle is deemed dangerous.

So I appreciate CR.